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Far Right Conservative (old fashioned kind) 37 33.64%
Conservative 34 30.91%
Right of Center on most issues 21 19.09%
Middle of the road. Hate to commit. 1 0.91%
Left of Center on most issues. 2 1.82%
Classic Liberal 3 2.73%
Far Left Socialist 1 0.91%
Raving Left Wing Lunatic/SJW/Communist 0 0%
Other -- Please Explain 9 8.18%
Brain Dead 2 1.82%
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And it is decided by a poll because at a certain saturation point you can just take over a community?

You know the group that accusation gets leveled at. Right?


And yeah it depends on the topic whether I have a traditional left or right viewpoint.
If I bought a few thousand acres and decided to start my own community I would invite folks into the community based on their general ideology and willingness to work towards the common good of said community. If someone decided that they didn't like the standards set by myself and my like-minded neighbors then we, as a community, would (and should) have the right to invite the dissenter to the nearest exit. I wouldn't force them to stay and conform but I wouldn't tolerate an alien mindset if it jeopardized the community, as a whole.
So socialism?

I mean pretend my time is my currency as a community you are putting your hand in my wallet.
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Fiscally fairly conservative
Socially fairly liberal
I vote for the 2nd Amendment above most things.
I believe in the Freedom for consenting adults
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My wife and I are both registered Libertarians.

Fiscally conservative and socially liberal.



I've always thought that to be Socially liberal one must also fiscally liberal. How does one pay for all of those social programs without spending a ton of money that doesn't exist?
Moral freedom. Financial control.
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I've always thought that to be Socially liberal one must also fiscally liberal. How does one pay for all of those social programs without spending a ton of money that doesn't exist?
There is a difference between being a Liberal and a socialist for one thing.
One can be both, but I am not, matter of fact, I am neither.

I believe in freedom above all. The Second Amendment protects the other
amendments, as well as the freedom for adults to do what they want
with other consenting adults behind closed doors.

I also believe in my freedom to not be harnessed with confiscatory taxes
in order to pay for those programs you speak of.

Freedom means being allowed to fail as well as prosper.

People on Welfare are not free to meet their potential, they are enslaved
in a system that limits them so they can continue to receive that check
each month.

Freedom also means freedom of religion, as well as freedom from religion.
Its not my government's job to save you from Hell, as long as you don't
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Why no option for libertarian? Seems an obvious option.

Anyway, that the direction I go, although to be specific, I'm a Feudal Anarchist.
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Why no option for libertarian? Seems an obvious option.

Anyway, that the direction I go, although to be specific, I'm a Feudal Anarchist.
My interest is piqued.
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My interest is piqued.
Agreed Feudal Anarchist seems an oxymoron
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Didn't have libertarian
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I've always thought that to be Socially liberal one must also fiscally liberal. How does one pay for all of those social programs without spending a ton of money that doesn't exist?
One can be fiscally conservative by spending in the appropriate places. For example community investments in activities, education, etc., which help keep kids in school and out of gangs is less expensive than trying to fight gang warfare. It's not "money that doesn't exist," it's money you would spend anyway, you're just doing it in an efficient method. This is why in some cases liberal spending policies can end up being more conservative than those proposed by conservatives. Both ends will sometimes ignore what is fiscally prudent in existing areas, which should be fiscally conservative, for ideological political motives to satisfy their bases. Also at least in my area it tends to be during the periods where liberals hold office that there are investments in emerging sectors, because potentially risky investment isn't seen as conservative.

I would describe myself more as socially utilitarian, that is, socially liberal but only to the point where there is benefit or at least no harm. A society requires a certain level of commonality of understanding and behaviour to function, so people need to behave within a relative tolerance. It's the diversity difference between someone sharing their culture's cuisine and music, which is great and of benefit or at least no harm, and someone not understanding that trying to talk 4 inches from my face is normal in some cultures, but is a threat display in this culture.
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My interest is piqued.
Read all about it, I think its tailor made for prepping:

https://attackthesystem.com/2012/11/...nal-anarchism/
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I like it.
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You are using a very liberal democratic method to make your point. Popularity doesn't make something yours.

I wonder if I asked is this a white forum?

You don't think jesus is left wing?

Jesus didn't take money from people who earned it to give it to people who didn't. The Apostle Paul says that "if a man doesn't work he shouldn't eat."


Jesus was opposed to homosexuality.


Jesus was opposed to sex outside of marriage.


Jesus was opposed to the oppression of mankind but, rather, sought to "set them free" with the truth. He was for individual responsibility rather than government intrusion and control.


Sounds to me like Jesus was "right wing."
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One can be fiscally conservative by spending in the appropriate places. For example community investments in activities, education, etc., which help keep kids in school and out of gangs is less expensive than trying to fight gang warfare. It's not "money that doesn't exist," it's money you would spend anyway, you're just doing it in an efficient method. This is why in some cases liberal spending policies can end up being more conservative than those proposed by conservatives. Both ends will sometimes ignore what is fiscally prudent in existing areas, which should be fiscally conservative, for ideological political motives to satisfy their bases. Also at least in my area it tends to be during the periods where liberals hold office that there are investments in emerging sectors, because potentially risky investment isn't seen as conservative.

I would describe myself more as socially utilitarian, that is, socially liberal but only to the point where there is benefit or at least no harm. A society requires a certain level of commonality of understanding and behaviour to function, so people need to behave within a relative tolerance. It's the diversity difference between someone sharing their culture's cuisine and music, which is great and of benefit or at least no harm, and someone not understanding that trying to talk 4 inches from my face is normal in some cultures, but is a threat display in this culture.

Americans spend plenty on public education which should keep kids off of the street and out of gangs but, instead, they've become the very public forums where punks push drugs; bully smaller kids; punch teachers; and (in a few cases) commit mass shootings. A better way to spend that money is to allow parents to send their children to private or charter schools where drugs, bullying, and disrespect towards teachers isn't tolerated. I don't think the government should decide where to spend the money I earn. So fiscal responsibility, in my opinion, should be decided by the taxpayer -- better yet -- by business and land owners.
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Jesus didn't take money from people who earned it to give it to people who didn't. The Apostle Paul says that "if a man doesn't work he shouldn't eat."


Jesus was opposed to homosexuality.


Jesus was opposed to sex outside of marriage.


Jesus was opposed to the oppression of mankind but, rather, sought to "set them free" with the truth. He was for individual responsibility rather than government intrusion and control.


Sounds to me like Jesus was "right wing."
You make some great points and I actually agree with most of this, but...
Did Jesus actually say the GOVERNMENT should be responsible for enforcing
what Jesus was opposed to?

God gave us free will so that WE can make the choice of being a Homosexual,
or have sex outside of marriage.

Yet the right wing of this country is not in favor of Gays being able to
get married and enjoy the tax benefits of this.

I don't believe YOUR church should be forced to marry Gays, but at least
they should be able to get married at a Justice of the Peace.

The "right wing" were planning to stone the woman who committed adultery
when Jesus stopped them and said, " Let he who has committed no sin cast
the first stone," and that is the difference between a Conservative, and a
socially Liberal, but fiscally Conservative.
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You make some great points and I actually agree with most of this, but...
Did Jesus actually say the GOVERNMENT should be responsible for enforcing
what Jesus was opposed to?

God gave us free will so that WE can make the choice of being a Homosexual,
or have sex outside of marriage.

Yet the right wing of this country is not in favor of Gays being able to
get married and enjoy the tax benefits of this.

I don't believe YOUR church should be forced to marry Gays, but at least
they should be able to get married at a Justice of the Peace.

The "right wing" were planning to stone the woman who committed adultery
when Jesus stopped them and said, " Let he who has committed no sin cast
the first stone," and that is the difference between a Conservative, and a
socially Liberal, but fiscally Conservative
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So can we say that Jesus the Christ was somehow a Libertarian?
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So can we say that Jesus the Christ was somehow a Libertarian?
Jesus Christ is a monarchist.
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So can we say that Jesus the Christ was somehow a Libertarian?
I get the impression that Libertarians believe in open borders.

If Jesus knew of the billions of dollars worth of drugs being smuggled
across our southern borders, and the thousands of people who die as
a result, would he be in favor of open borders?

Jesus perhaps believed in free will but when the drugs are so cheap
that they can and are pushed on our children.....
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I get the impression that Libertarians believe in open borders.

If Jesus knew of the billions of dollars worth of drugs being smuggled
across our southern borders, and the thousands of people who die as
a result, would he be in favor of open borders?

Jesus perhaps believed in free will but when the drugs are so cheap
that they can and are pushed on our children.....
You are attempting to build a 'strawman argument'. I refuse to put my foot into that bear trap.

If we want to play 'what if' that would go for months.

"What if', blah blah blah, and THEN 'what if' blah blah blah. Then what do you say?

Jesus did not live in an era when 'billions of dollars worth of drugs being smuggled across our southern borders and the thousands of people who die ...'

If someone decides to become addicted to a drug, you can not blame everyone else.
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Americans spend plenty on public education
The country spends a lot on public education but gets comparatively little for it. There's a huge range in public education quality across the country and for what's being spent, it's not good.

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A better way to spend that money is to allow parents to send their children to private or charter schools where drugs, bullying, and disrespect towards teachers isn't tolerated.
Or just use current spending effectively and reform public education into something which is properly useful.

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I don't think the government should decide where to spend the money I earn. So fiscal responsibility, in my opinion, should be decided by the taxpayer -- better yet -- by business and land owners.
The government is the representative of the taxpayer and is the large scale organization of social contributions which in the past would have taken direct contribution of labor or resources. If you want to live in a society you need to contribute to said society, otherwise you can go be a hermit. Large scale societies require large scale administration.

As for who administrates things, the average person is pretty stupid, and pretty bad with finances, and worse with large scale administration. Like, hell, I know people who have degrees and a lot of experience in urban planning and between letting them organize a region or just some random person or people who have no real idea what they're doing...well, this is the point of all that education, to teach people how to do things like this. I wouldn't want someone who doesn't know about cars working on my car, I want a mechanic. I don't want someone who has no idea about infrastructure, public development, education etc., running any of those things. That's ideally why you have experts in their fields doing it.

And businesses deciding how public funds are spent is even worse. Instead of ignorance you have active malign. Businesses will do what generates the most profit, not what is most beneficial for the populous, and the two are often at odds.
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If someone decides to become addicted to a drug, you can not blame everyone else.
The first couple of hits for the Children are free.
Matter of fact if you don't do it your a ******

Ever wonder why we still have so many smokers
when we educate all our kids to its dangers?


My point is: if you can curb the supply to a point,
only the addicts will use because new users won't want
to pay the money to start. But now, the new users
get it for free because its cheap, and plentiful.

But you go ahead and pretend that if all Drugs
were legal we wouldn't have a drug problem in this
country because obviously we have no problems
with drinking and driving....
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