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Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2011 - Amends the federal criminal code to authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit (or revoke such license or permit) if the Attorney General: (1) determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be engaged in terrorism or has provided material support or resources for terrorism; and (2) has a reasonable belief that the transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism. Allows any individual whose firearms or explosives license application has been denied to bring legal action to challenge the denial.

Extends the prohibition against the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to include individuals whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities. Imposes criminal penalties on individuals engaged in terrorist activities who smuggle or knowingly bring firearms into the United States.

Authorizes the Attorney General to withhold information in firearms and explosives license denial revocation lawsuits and from employers if the Attorney General determines that the disclosure of such information would likely compromise national security.

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Thinking... Oops, on another list. =)
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Yeah. Show me who's on the list - and I'll see if I feel like voting for it!
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YES! Just enforce the damn laws already on the books!
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Another way to void our constitution.
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http://thomas.loc.gov/ and search by number for S.34

Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2011 - Amends the federal criminal code to authorize the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of a firearms or explosives license or permit (or revoke such license or permit) if the Attorney General:

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(2) has a reasonable belief that the transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism. my *butt! Key portion for concern. Allows any individual whose firearms or explosives license application has been denied to bring legal action to challenge the denial. No Soup For You!Er... rights I mean. Oh, but that's ok though. Just hire yourself a lawyer, spend a few figures, get stuck for ages in the legal system... Freedom at work.

Extends the prohibition against the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to include individuals whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities. Imposes criminal penalties on individuals engaged in terrorist activities Well, I can rest safely, knowing that unlike before, there are now criminal penalties for terrorism. who smuggle or knowingly bring firearms into the United States.

Authorizes the Attorney General to withhold information in firearms and explosives license denial revocation lawsuits and from employers if the Attorney General determines that the disclosure of such information would likely compromise national security.

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Does anybody else think it is a dangerous idea?
I think is it's a dangerous idea.

I don't buy that this is about crazy muslims.
More about denying rights to anyone they have any level of concern for, at any moment they decide.

Now they've already determined that libertarians, small government republicans, tea-party conservatives, sports shooting clubs, veterans, gun ownership rights advocates, survivalists, and supporters of Ron Paul are potential terrorist threats from what I've read.

How's that for your reasonable.

Would it really be that big of a step, for the country to start seeing arbitrary decisions that someone is a suspected terrorist threat?


Who in the blazes do people think they mean with this legislation? You mean to tell me a person who is Really a suspected terrorist planning to blow up a building, and the best thing they can think of is to order them not to have a gun?

Bullcrap.

If they're really up for killing themselves and , they won't give a crap.

What's going to happen, they're going to end up pushing somebody that already has a huge distrust and disagreement toward the government and in a bad way, off the edge to doing something drastic.

They're going to end up engineering their own criminals, radicals or insurrectionists, thru exercising of the law itself.

You can't corner people like that.
Somebody's going to end up lashing out.
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why don't Holdit and Obongo just kick our Founding Father in the nether regions
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Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ]

CoSponsors:
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA]
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL]
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA]
Sen Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [NY]
Sen Levin, Carl [MI]
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT]
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ]
Sen Reed, Jack [RI]
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY]
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI]
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From what I gather, this bill gives the Attorney General the ability to take away people's gun rights without due process.


Folks, you can think just whatever you want to think about how good sounding this sweet little bill seems, but if somebody in halfside of the state you live in you've never met, but shares your last names, flips out and rams a courthouse... or somebody that has any sort of connection to you does something that is terrorism...

Enjoy the risk of being reduced to an instant violent felon when it comes to your personal gun rights on the the AG's just in case as surefire way to maybe somehow possibly make everybody safer through it.

Seems this bill would in theory, give them that ability.
Anybody think they're going to use it on people who aren't actually terrorists?
(Veterans, certain presidential candidate supports ect. ect. already being labeled potentials?)
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I think this is the greatest idea in history. If we pass a law that says that it is illegal for terrorists to have guns, then we will be safe from all terrorism.

Right?

I am now as smart as Pelosi, Boxer, and all the other blow-hards.
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This bill is NOT about terrorists. It is about trying to ban guns to everybody via a different route. It will die in committee.
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Sounds like 1938 Germany to me.
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This bill isn't going anywhere. It will serve a purpose,.. to expose THEM.
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Letting Eric Holder decide who owns guns makes as much sense to me as letting Rev Wright decide who goes to heaven.
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So that means every Tea Party member will be denied ownership because they are all suspect, is this correct?
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A number of groups that call among their members survivalists have been designated "hate groups" and alluded to as homegrown terrorist incubators, its only a matter of time before that trickles down.
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Sponsor: Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ]

CoSponsors:
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA]
Sen Durbin, Richard [IL]
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA]
Sen Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [NY]
Sen Levin, Carl [MI]
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT]
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ]
Sen Reed, Jack [RI]
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY]
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI]
Ah, the sponsors are mostly anti-gun state's congressmen? I think we know what the endgame is here, then. I think it stinks.
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S.34
Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2011
Amendment III
Section 12-15.34
Memebers of Survivalistboards.com, being subversive in nature, are by definition a threat to the allmighty power of the government and thereby considered a terrorist group.
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It's not a new thing... they tried it in the 110th, 111th, and 112th congresses so far (2007-2012).

Denying firearms and explosives to dangerous terrorists act of 2011:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-34

Denying firearms and explosives to dangerous terrorists act of 2009:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-1317 (Senate version)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2159 (House version)

Denying firearms and explosives to dangerous terrorists act of 2007:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1237 (Senate version)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-2074 (House version)

Doesn't mean not to be ever vigilant, but if you notice, the bill number for 2011 is S.34, compared to S.1237 and S.1317 the previous two congress sessions. Trying to move it up and get a jump on things early, most likely trying to capitalize on fear from the Arizona shooting in early January.

They did the same thing with HR 2666, when it didn't make it out of committee, the next session, it was reintroduced as HR 45.
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