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Old 03-22-2020, 12:28 PM
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It's still bad advice....reality thinking...LOL
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Worst advice Iíve heard:
When questioned by the law, just be open and honest. Explain everything you know and it will be ok.

Best advice:

Shut your pie hole. Call your lawyer and say nothing. Nothing. Avoid expression of any kind. Be a vegetable, get cuffed and taken to the cell. Aside from the possible beat down, it's not that bad. No matter how much the cop tells you that cooperation is good and they are there to help you, STFU. Remeber, they can lie to you all they want, you slip up and you are going down. They are not there to be your friend and help you in any way.
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Worst advice: Tell everyone that you're armed to the teeth, and you have (list it off), and you're ready for trouble.
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ďCaliber is 742Ē

Reminds of the guy who told me his shotgun was an 87 gauge.

I said buddy itís either an Ithaca Model 87 or a Remington 870 possibly but there is no such thing as an 87 gauge shotgun. He insisted that his was an 87 gauge. He finally went home and checked. Turned out it was a Maverick 88 12 gauge.
87, 88.....whatever works.

BTW, to the headshot vs CM people. If all you can see is the head, then the nose is pretty much center mass. Quit being hung up over semantics, and shoot it.

Maybe we should come up with a reverse Mozambique drill as the perfect self defense technique. One to the head, and two to the body as fast as possible, then asses over the sights if heís still standing/moving, using that millisecond or so to aim at the head again, and repeat as required to eliminate the threat.

And yes...thatís a joke.
Unless itís cool, then I was serious.
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Best advice:

Call your lawyer and say nothing. Nothing ... No matter how much the cop tells you that cooperation is good and they are there to help you, STFU.

Remeber, they can lie to you all they want
My wife and I are watching Blue Bloods. In almost every episode, the detective lies to try to get the accused to confess or give up some incriminating evidence. 100% agree. STFU when being "questioned."

Overcome the pathetic attempt to guilt you with the phrase 'not cooperating.' I once had a long conversation with a lawyer where I vehemently denied the categorization of me 'not cooperating.' I couched my position as FULLY cooperating while acting 100% within my rights - including my right to remain silent.

The lawyer, so used to and conditioned to this psychological attempt to manipulate, finally conceded my resolved NERVES OF STEEL and solid as a rock position. He was reluctant to admit it but acknowledged the term 'cooperating' is a buzz word that means in practice to 'waive your right to remain silent.'

Don't do it. Don't fall for it. They aim to get you at STEP 1. Don't yield the 1st step. This pathetic psychological tactic of trying to make you feel guilty is precisely the origin of the GOOD COP/BAD COP dynamic.

In the moment of truth, tell yourself
FULLY cooperate while acting 100% within my rights - especially my right to remain silent.
FULLY cooperate while acting 100% within my rights - especially my right to remain silent.
FULLY cooperate while acting 100% within my rights - especially my right to remain silent.
FULLY cooperate while acting 100% within my rights - especially my right to remain silent.
FULLY cooperate while acting 100% within my rights - especially my right to remain silent.
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Maybe we should come up with a reverse Mozambique drill as the perfect self defense technique.
Reverse Mozambique. Remember, you heard it here first.
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Reverse Mozambique. Remember, you heard it here first.
Worked out for the last church shooting in Texas.
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Worked out for the last church shooting in Texas.
Yep, a headshot made under pressure by a 71-year-old former reserve deputy.
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And not only did he make a headshot under pressure, he shot from a......wait for it.......a Weaver Stance : https://nypost.com/2019/12/29/texas-...leaves-2-dead/

According to some IDPA and IPSC experts, he's not supposed to be able to do that! Apparently, he didn't get the memo.
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And not only did he make a headshot under pressure he shot from a Weaver Stance [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG] : https://nypost.com/2019/12/29/texas-...leaves-2-dead/

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You donít need a gun, karate will take care of anything, the Tueller drill proves it.
Its doubtful that most liberals will ever take up martial arts, at least the ones who are against guns.
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Don't talk to cops by law professor and homicide cop lectures.
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87, 88.....whatever works.

BTW, to the headshot vs CM people. If all you can see is the head, then the nose is pretty much center mass. Quit being hung up over semantics, and shoot it.

Maybe we should come up with a reverse Mozambique drill as the perfect self defense technique. One to the head, and two to the body as fast as possible, then asses over the sights if he’s still standing/moving, using that millisecond or so to aim at the head again, and repeat as required to eliminate the threat.

And yes...that’s a joke.
Unless it’s cool, then I was serious.
Yep that's the way CM works. The center of what you see...

After it's done and IF one survives the encounter they'll get a chance to explain their actions. Were the actions taken in the heat of the moment the actions of a reasonable man? done in self defense or were they that of an executioner?

Anecdotal stories are great fodder for discussion, not so much when it comes to explaining your actions to people who have the power to lock you up for the rest of your life. And yes you shoot someone in the head you will get the chance to explain why you thought it was reasonable. Better hope your explanation is a good one.

FWIW The last two paragraphs were not directed at you
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If youre shooting them at all, you must have a valid reason, eh?

Then again, if you shoot them in the leg you are told you didnt have a good enough reason.

Now, it appears shooting them in the head is too much of one?
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If youre shooting them at all, you must have a valid reason, eh?

Then again, if you shoot them in the leg you are told you didnt have a good enough reason.

Now, it appears shooting them in the head is too much of one?
Semantics...lol

Reason this, did they shoot them in the leg because they didn't want to risk killing the person, they just wanted to wing them a little to get their point across. Which is obviously not a good idea...

OR were they in a fight for their life and the only visible CM of the attacker was a leg, a foot a hand a head etc. There is a difference between purposefully doing it and not having a choice in the matter.

All I said was you'll get a chance to explain why you did what you did (head shot)...Better hope it's a good explanation too, cause if it isn't the prosecutor will have your lunch.
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Head shots are fine.

















They ruin less of the meat
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My wife and I are watching Blue Bloods. In almost every episode, the detective lies to try to get the accused to confess or give up some incriminating evidence. 100% agree. STFU when being "questioned." .
THE PREVARICATION... the fib, the lie is all part of police technique that has been around since the dark ages.

Street cops do it all the time when checking suspects and suspicious conditions. I have no idea how many suspect cars I stopped for one investigation but told them the reason was for something else totally unrelated.
example-
car described as fleeing a B&E scene. I see the car, pull it over, occupants are nervous.. BUT, I tell them I stopped them because their car fit the description of a car involved in a shooting. They KNOW they didn't shoot anyone, so they settle in and mellow out and do not do something stupid.
While the officers at the scene are getting information I have the BGs calmly sitting there. Then witnesses show up with cops and say "Yep those are the guys." and they are bagged and tagged with no excitement.


It is nothing to do an interrogation and tell one person that the other person is confessing and placing all the blame for the crime on them to see the response. Sometimes it is like bluffing in poker. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The courts forever have said it is OK for cops to be creative. If it wasn't for things like that we probably wouldn't solve half of the crimes we investigate. Not every crime has a video camera running, or credible eyewitnesses or perfect forensic evidence.
Sometimes you have to get creative.

One of the cops I know was investigating an B&E of an old guys apartment. He had just received his shipment of frozen food from some charity group and he thought his neighbor was responsible. The cop is talking to the suspect and after a while asks if he could have a glass of water. Suspect is getting the water, and the cop asks "do you have any ice?" BG opens his freezer and all this distinctly packaged food is visible in the freezer in plain view.

the cop lie has been through the courts as an acceptable police practice for 100 years.
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THE PREVARICATION... the fib, the lie is all part of police technique that has been around since the dark ages.

Street cops do it all the time when checking suspects and suspicious conditions. I have no idea how many suspect cars I stopped for one investigation but told them the reason was for something else totally unrelated.
example-
car described as fleeing a B&E scene. I see the car, pull it over, occupants are nervous.. BUT, I tell them I stopped them because their car fit the description of a car involved in a shooting. They KNOW they didn't shoot anyone, so they settle in and mellow out and do not do something stupid.
While the officers at the scene are getting information I have the BGs calmly sitting there. Then witnesses show up with cops and say "Yep those are the guys." and they are bagged and tagged with no excitement.


It is nothing to do an interrogation and tell one person that the other person is confessing and placing all the blame for the crime on them to see the response. Sometimes it is like bluffing in poker. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The courts forever have said it is OK for cops to be creative. If it wasn't for things like that we probably wouldn't solve half of the crimes we investigate. Not every crime has a video camera running, or credible eyewitnesses or perfect forensic evidence.
Sometimes you have to get creative.

One of the cops I know was investigating an B&E of an old guys apartment. He had just received his shipment of frozen food from some charity group and he thought his neighbor was responsible. The cop is talking to the suspect and after a while asks if he could have a glass of water. Suspect is getting the water, and the cop asks "do you have any ice?" BG opens his freezer and all this distinctly packaged food is visible in the freezer in plain view.

the cop lie has been through the courts as an acceptable police practice for 100 years.
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I'd have to say if .22 LR is all you can afford or handle, its still a mark above strong language and a stern look. Just saying
The line between what is adequate and what is not adequate is not drawn directly between .22LR and stern look. Neither are adequate pieces of self defense advice, even if one happens to be better than the other.
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But yet we cannot lie to you huh!
Police are above the law and can do as they please. We, as citizens, are beneath it. Now, do your duty as a good conservative and lick their boots.
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