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Old 10-13-2019, 03:41 PM
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I dont know if the kurds think they have been betrayed. They accepted weapons and training but Im pretty sure most know that its not some loyalty oath from the west. Its just how it is. The Russians or Chinese will fill in now.
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All I can say is, I don't believe in doing business with those willing to lie.
With islam it is a part of their koran to lie.
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Some of the Syrian Government forces had been ordered by Assad to fight with the Kurds
Russia is on both sides of this
Supporting Turkey and their Syrian Militia tip of the spear
And supporting Assad
Crazy for Trump to set this off
Now many GOP Senators are not happy, really really not happy
Super stupid move by Trump
I am still going to vote for Trump if he is pn the ballot
He seems determined to screw all this progress up
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Super stupid move by Trump
It's always looked on negatively to withdraw forces before a crushing victory. If it was Obama, they'd be giving him his 2nd Nobel Peace Prize for this.


Blessed are the peacemakers—they will be called children of God.
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There was zero need to do it
Could have waited
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan' is a tyrant
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There was zero need to do it
Could have waited
Happy to have troops out of harms way.

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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan' is a tyrant
Yes but a secular tyrant is better than an Islamic one colluding to rebuild the Caliphate. See Iraq and Saddam.
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We've managed to alienate everyone in the middle east, that's for sure. But don't blame us, they are the ones who can't behave.
But since everyone in the middle east is moslem except for Israel, WHY ARE WE INSERTING OURSELVES IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR CONFLICTS WITH EACH OTHER?

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WHICH is CORRECT..

The enemy of my enemy is my friend..

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The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy?
The moslem kurds are fighting the moslem turks, who are allied with moslem iranians, who were fighting the moslem iraqis, and also the moslem arabs.

moslems fighting moslems, fighting moslems. And we pick sides? Insane.

We sided with the afghan "freedom fighters" against the russians. They turned into the taliban who we have been fighting for 18 years. The kurds align with iran. I thought iran was our enemy.

The ONLY reason the kurds think of us as an ally is because we are fighting their moslem enemies for them.

I don't have any use for ANY of them. None of our business
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Well, when you put it that way.....
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From what I read, this isn't an all-out war against the Kurds. Turkey claimed they were only going to create a 20-mile safe zone to keep the Kurds from pecking away at Turkey. I admit I don't know all the details, or why the Kurds would do that. Perhaps they are emboldened because they believe we will support them regardless of what they do.

Turkey and US agree to 20-mile 'safe zone' between the Turkish border and Kurds

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Turkey has had trouble with a Kurdish militant group inside its own borders known as the PKK. While the U.S. considers the PKK to be a terrorist group, it differentiates between the PKK and other ethnically Kurdish groups — some of which have proven to be invaluable allies, particularly in the fight against ISIS.
This basically saying a Kurd is not necessarily a good Kurd. There are good Kurds and bad Kurds.
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This should be the problem of congress. Declare war on Turkey if they want turkey stopped. Roe should be see a Turkish solider that doesn't surrender, shoot them.
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This basically saying a Kurd is not necessarily a good Kurd. There are good Kurds and bad Kurds.
How about kurds (sic) and whey?

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WHICH is CORRECT..

The enemy of my enemy is my friend..

or

The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy?
I have an idea, let’s pull our troops out and then station them on our borders.

What a novel idea, you know, of using our military personnel to guard our ACTUAL BORDERS.

Put me in charge and I could have the border totally secured using two US Army divisions of my choice.
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It's always looked on negatively to withdraw forces before a crushing victory. If it was Obama, they'd be giving him his 2nd Nobel Peace Prize for this.


Blessed are the peacemakers—they will be called children of God.
Matthew 5:9 (VOICE)
Looks bad to pull out without a crushing victory, but we’re not allowed to actually make the moves required to have a crushing victory.
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The majority of the Kurds live in northern Iraq. Kurds only occupied a sliver of northeastern Syria. Kurds are in southeast Turkey and have fought against Turkey for their own country for years off and on. They have some control in Iraq along with the Shiites in southern Iraq. They have no real autonomy in Turkey, Syria or Iran. I think Turkey want's to drive them out of Syria to control their southern border better from attacks from the Kurds. Both Turkey and the Kurds are supposed to be our allies. It is a mess and a mess that Obama created. There was an old saying by all presidents before Obama, that "the devil you know, is probably better than the devil you don't know". This was referring to dictators of various counties, because they kept the peace, or the status quo, especially in the Cold War. Once a dictator is overthrown, there is a power vacuum, like in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and Syria, which Obama and Bush tried to overthrow or overthrowed without a strong viable responsible government to take it's place or a 40-50 year occupation.
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The Kurds are spread throughout the ME in Turkey, Syria, Iraq mainly. They have been dreaming of building their own State for ever. Each time, a powerful force prevents them from doing so. Whether it's Saddam Hussein's government, ISIS, Turkey...They have been condemned to live as minorities in other countries. Meddling in the ME to support ANY side INCLUDING Israel is inviting trouble. Best to pull out.
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There is more to this strategy than meets the eye. IMO I am not saying it is good or bad but I believe President Trump wants our troops out of the middle.

What I do know part of the plan had better be to get Turkey out of NATO.
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There is more to this strategy than meets the eye. IMO I am not saying it is good or bad but I believe President Trump wants our troops out of the middle.

What I do know part of the plan had better be to get Turkey out of NATO.
We should never have gone into Syria. ISIS was one of the resistance groups that the Russians and Syrians were ramping up to deal with.

There is a good reason why Turkey has been trying to join the EU and the EU leadership has resisted all attempts. Turkey cannot be trusted. Turkey would become a funnel for all the Muslims on the planet to flood the EU even more than they have already. There is a Muslim plan to completely dominate Europe by 2050. Allowing Turkey to become an EU member would accelerate that.
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We should never have gone into Syria. ISIS was one of the resistance groups that the Russians and Syrians were ramping up to deal with.
It is a mistake to limit the military at boundary lines. That only gives the enemy sanctuary. You either go after ISIS no matter where they are or you do not go after ISIS.

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There is a good reason why Turkey has been trying to join the EU and the EU leadership has resisted all attempts. Turkey cannot be trusted. Turkey would become a funnel for all the Muslims on the planet to flood the EU even more than they have already. There is a Muslim plan to completely dominate Europe by 2050. Allowing Turkey to become an EU member would accelerate that.
I AGREE!
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Long term. The concept and ability of continuing to be the worlds police force, will have to come to an end. Way too much blood and treasure has been wasted, fighting in regional conflicts far from home. $22 trillion dollars in debt and climbing, it is spinning out of control and may quickly become self defeating (historically, this is how many great empires have collapsed). I am not an economics expert, but I have had economics 101 in college. At some point, when the rising national debt becomes untenable, the government will have to devalue the dollar and inflation will skyrocket, (inflation helps the government to pay off debt) that in turn will diminish our own standard of living. We were warned by our forefathers that were instrumental in creating the U.S. government, "beware of and avoid foreign entanglements". Now we are entangled around the world and things always become very painful for all involved when the U.S. tries to extract itself. Time to mind our own borders, and let the world settle their own issues. Not to say we cannot use our national voice and economics in an attempt to influence outcomes. But, no more blood and treasure or boots on the ground. If you follow the money, I am sure that the interest in continuing to interject ourselves into regional conflicts can be traced back to the military industrial complex and the politicians that receive funding and support from the same. It is painful to see, what is happening with the Kurds, but I support any effort to get our military out of the endless "tribal" conflicts that have been going on for centuries and will continue to occur regardless if our troops stay there or not.
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