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Hard to imagine that I would be trying to ditch a blade after using it. I think after something like that, and probably leaving the scene in haste and possibly covered in blood, and maybe leaving some of my own, acting coy would probably be the last thing I'd try.

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If you have a knife on you that size in a City, (most cities, not all),
that's your first strike against you if they pick you up.

Some one IDs you, and the Jury knows you were carrying that type
knife, those idiots won't assume your a Prepper, they will think you
were up to no good.

Ditch the knife. Nothing coy about keeping your mouth shut.


Me? I can't imagine being in that situation in the first place.
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Hard to imagine that I would be trying to ditch a blade after using it. I think after something like that, and probably leaving the scene in haste and possibly covered in blood, and maybe leaving some of my own, acting coy would probably be the last thing I'd try.

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If you have a knife on you that size in a City, (most cities, not all),
that's your first strike against you if they pick you up.

Some one IDs you, and the Jury knows you were carrying that type
knife, those idiots won't assume your a Prepper, they will think you
were up to no good.

Ditch the knife. Nothing coy about keeping your mouth shut.


Me? I can't imagine being in that situation in the first place.
I guess I don't find myself in many cities where I concern myself with hiding the fact that I carry a knife. Sometimes a medium sized fixed blade, which some city types may find disconcerting.
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one of these works as well.but ya need something you can hold onto that wont snag in clothing or motion and get pulled out of your hand.....
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I think the big down fall of the throwing knives is the crappy sheath. And if you only want to carry one at a time, why carry a sheath that holds, or is meant to carry a couple, few more.
I covered this aspect later. Adjust the existing sheath or make a new one. Nylon, canvas, or leather can be trimmed and sewn. There are several thermoplastic options out there to make a hard one. Plenty of premade clip options to affix a sheath where you want it, or just use grommets and a thong.

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Hard to imagine that I would be trying to ditch a blade after using it. I think after something like that, and probably leaving the scene in haste and possibly covered in blood, and maybe leaving some of my own, acting coy would probably be the last thing I'd try.
Ditching before or after the fact might become necessary for any number of reasons.

Trying to insert a value judgment as to why you wouldn't is just trying to virtue signal at the expense of valid options.

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I guess I don't find myself in many cities where I concern myself with hiding the fact that I carry a knife. Sometimes a medium sized fixed blade, which some city types may find disconcerting.
Cities happen. Over 80% of the people in the US live in them. That includes family, inlaws, friends, coworkers, and employers, not to mention professionals and specialists you may have need of. Plus they squat on the highways between you and where you may want to go. As you age you will find you end up needing city based specialists far more frequently.

Cities concern themselves about appearances. Too many people to learn everyone, so everyone gets profiled. A visibly strapped blade gets questioned and remembered. A crime goes down and cops will canvas witnesses and stored video. Things like license plates or presented ID get seen and recorded. That innocent stop to buy gas or cigarettes gets on camera and is the cause to have a cop on your doorstep later. Lots of innocent folks become both suspects and convicts. Why buy scrutiny?
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I covered this aspect later. Adjust the existing sheath or make a new one. Nylon, canvas, or leather can be trimmed and sewn. There are several thermoplastic options out there to make a hard one. Plenty of premade clip options to affix a sheath where you want it, or just use grommets and a thong.
There is a dearth of nice sheaths for throwers. No leather, and no kydex. Kind of a make your own deal. Sure you can do it. Probably take me an hour or two(?), just so I can spend the same money on 3 knives vs. one that comes with a nice sheath.

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Ditching before or after the fact might become necessary for any number of reasons.
Like? Why would you bring a knife out of concealment, or off your hip, when no bodies taken notice to chuck it, and leave evidence, and have people see it?

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Trying to insert a value judgment as to why you wouldn't is just trying to virtue signal at the expense of valid options.
There's no need to assign a characteristic that just isn't there, nor intended to be.

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Cities happen. Over 80% of the people in the US live in them. That includes family, inlaws, friends, coworkers, and employers, not to mention professionals and specialists you may have need of. Plus they squat on the highways between you and where you may want to go. As you age you will find you end up needing city based specialists far more frequently.

Cities concern themselves about appearances. Too many people to learn everyone, so everyone gets profiled. A visibly strapped blade gets questioned and remembered. A crime goes down and cops will canvas witnesses and stored video. Things like license plates or presented ID get seen and recorded. That innocent stop to buy gas or cigarettes gets on camera and is the cause to have a cop on your doorstep later. Lots of innocent folks become both suspects and convicts. Why buy scrutiny?
Of course cities happen. Bears don't care what the coyotes think. I go to cities, and that's more their concern than mine. I'm pretty sure that I had my trusty old Buck on my hip, in LA, Anaheim, Palm Springs, Carlsbad, and all sorts of urban centers. Heck, I was even in Disneyland with it, and I'm pretty sure it was right out in the open then too. Probably on my hip in a young offenders center as well. Not to mention, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Whitehorse, Regina and Montreal. And Playa Del Carman and Tulum where I carried knives with no sentimental value.

In most cities, you'd have to be the half naked guy on the corner busking by singing show tunes to stand out. I'd be more concerned carrying a pistol whether or not it was someplace that "allowed" it. But most people won't notice. People trained to notice, don't. Eye witness reports are notoriously unreliable to boot.

I just don't buy that tossing a cheap knife buys less scrutiny. Big hairy deal, that you figure that you've lost $20 less by chucking it, not counting labour, and modifications...

In actuality throwing it would likely be worse. Garbage is sorted by hand in many locales. Or it'll be picked up where you dropped it. Or searched for. Now they have your knife with your DNA, probably a partial print, and someone else's blood... Say you've "wiped" it; well you're still carrying someone else's blood. Looks like you're trying to hide something. Now in your scenario, police are at the door, or obtained a warrant. So they find a pack of 3 knives, with one missing that matches one found close to the scene, OR, they find one knife. Barring lack of other evidence, which would be more incriminating?

People get so caught up in these hypothetical situations that it's absolutely paralyzing, especially if you are a bit OCD. I probably have met or know several rape survivors. Probably way more than several if some stats can be believed. Known a person or two that died under mysterious circumstances, someone that was murdered, a couple murderers at least, a couple people that have defended themselves illegally by gun. Probably someone that wasn't "illegal". A bunch of wild animal defenses too. But to be honest, I must just hang around the wrong crowd, because I just don't recall any knife fights, other than a friend kicking the knife out of a guys hand that was trying to do him in.

So, yes I carry a knife more many reasons, but getting rid of one is so low on the radar, that it makes zero difference whether it's a $15 blade, or a $300 one. In that particular scenario, it would make little difference at the end of the day whether I had to "lose" the $300 one.
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There is a dearth of nice sheaths for throwers. No leather, and no kydex. Kind of a make your own deal. Sure you can do it. Probably take me an hour or two(?), just so I can spend the same money on 3 knives vs. one that comes with a nice sheath.
What's an hour or two on gear? People actually do that kind of stuff as a hobby. If your time is so precious then why are you even in a thread about inexpensive fixed blades? Go spend those big salary dollars on bespoke knives. Or if your time is short and you are also short on funds you are clearly making lousy use of time.

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Like? Why would you bring a knife out of concealment, or off your hip, when no bodies taken notice to chuck it, and leave evidence, and have people see it?
If it's on your hip then you will get profiled in a city. If any weapon is visible you get profiled. Just because people say or do nothing doesn't mean you weren't noted by many. People in cities learn to keep their damn mouths shut until cops start questioning them, and then the cops start running other witnesses and video. You will be treated as suspect until you prove innocence.

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There's no need to assign a characteristic that just isn't there, nor intended to be.
There is an oblique deflection if I ever saw one.

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Of course cities happen. Bears don't care what the coyotes think. I go to cities, and that's more their concern than mine. I'm pretty sure that I had my trusty old Buck on my hip, in LA, Anaheim, Palm Springs, Carlsbad, and all sorts of urban centers. Heck, I was even in Disneyland with it, and I'm pretty sure it was right out in the open then too. Probably on my hip in a young offenders center as well. Not to mention, Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Whitehorse, Regina and Montreal. And Playa Del Carman and Tulum where I carried knives with no sentimental value.
Answered already. You are just enjoying the law of averages.

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In most cities, you'd have to be the half naked guy on the corner busking by singing show tunes to stand out. I'd be more concerned carrying a pistol whether or not it was someplace that "allowed" it. But most people won't notice. People trained to notice, don't. Eye witness reports are notoriously unreliable to boot.
And the innocence of the rural type comes out. Just because they don't stare at you doesn't mean you aren't seen and remembered. Staring invites the return or worse in a city, but experienced city dwellers watch and clock everything discretely.

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I just don't buy that tossing a cheap knife buys less scrutiny. Big hairy deal, that you figure that you've lost $20 less by chucking it, not counting labour, and modifications...
You only toss the weapon that you have replacements for. The holder you can keep and is likely less conspicuous or more easily hidden on you than a fixed blade knife. It's also not a weapons bust. Knife laws can be more convoluted than gun laws.

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In actuality throwing it would likely be worse. Garbage is sorted by hand in many locales. Or it'll be picked up where you dropped it. Or searched for. Now they have your knife with your DNA, probably a partial print, and someone else's blood... Say you've "wiped" it; well you're still carrying someone else's blood. Looks like you're trying to hide something. Now in your scenario, police are at the door, or obtained a warrant. So they find a pack of 3 knives, with one missing that matches one found close to the scene, OR, they find one knife. Barring lack of other evidence, which would be more incriminating?
It's a knife. You place the tip in ground and stomp on it. Short of a metal detector it could stay there for decades.

And who says you have to save the box that states the number it?

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So, yes I carry a knife more many reasons, but getting rid of one is so low on the radar, that it makes zero difference whether it's a $15 blade, or a $300 one. In that particular scenario, it would make little difference at the end of the day whether I had to "lose" the $300 one.
First thing you do in Mexico is buy a knife in the market. You toss it in the amnesty box when you leave.......You take the city transportation for jury duty or some other reason to go to court in a downtown area and have to mix with all sorts of types and you stash the blade in a crevice before you walk in and pick it up when you leave and no worries if it gets found......You have a drink in a bar when other patrons get into a fight and you hear the cops get called, where the cops are likely to roust and frisk everyone.......shall I go on?

Just because you can't think of a reason for a "throwdown" doesn't mean there are no good reasons.

That the term even exists is proof of value.
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Wow, this thread is going all different directions from the OP. Just saying.......

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Wow, this thread is going all different directions from the OP.
Some people wanted to nitpick the idea of using a throwing knife as an inexpensive fixed blade and threw out a bushel of justifications and value judgments, instead of just scrolling past something they don't think much of.
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Some people wanted to nitpick the idea of using a throwing knife as an inexpensive fixed blade and threw out a bushel of justifications and value judgments, instead of just scrolling past something they don't think much of.
Point taken. Prolly time to try to move on while things are still civil. I've noticed knife and edged weapons/tools are one of the only threads on this forum that usually run pretty smooth. JMHO

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An inner city street punk has fought his way up to survive. An adult thug has put down more people than you dream of outside your video games. How many real world knife fights/muggings have you been through? Most of you keyboard commando's have no idea how violent life can be in an inner city slum, no matter D.C., Baltimore, east L.A., London's east end, Autin's 6th street. Take a slash with a box cutter across your hand, face, throat, or wrist and shrug it off. Yeah, right.



Theres a lot of tensions, ligaments and blood vessels right under the skin. It don't take much to put a hand out of commission. Target the sides of the neck and it becomes a moot point real fast.



The human body is a frail thin skinned watery bag of meat. It don't take much to disable or even kill you.
You just called 6th street Austin a slum.



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Wow, this thread is going all different directions from the OP. Just saying.......

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Some people wanted to nitpick the idea of using a throwing knife as an inexpensive fixed blade and threw out a bushel of justifications and value judgments, instead of just scrolling past something they don't think much of.
Just friendly debate.
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Point taken. Prolly time to try to move on while things are still civil. I've noticed knife and edged weapons/tools are one of the only threads on this forum that usually run pretty smooth.
Agreed. I would have thought it went without saying that few are in agreement about every knife that can be had. It's like arguing about pizza toppings. I always though you made your suggestion here and reasoning left it at that. Knives are very subjective.

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You just called 6th street Austin a slum.
6th Street is like Chucky Cheese compared to Bourbon, La Pigalle, Beale, or Khao San.

But nothing beat a tiny little street called Court Street in Jacksonville NC until the Pentagon told the city to shut it down. Every other storefront was either a topless bar or live music venue. The rest was just pawn shops and tattoo parlors. The cops steered clear and it was left to the hookers and dancers to keep the peace. It was a slow Monday when the nearby ER only had a dozen Court Street wounded. Pole dancers, con men , bikers, and drunken Marines make for a hell of a night life.
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What's an hour or two on gear? People actually do that kind of stuff as a hobby. If your time is so precious then why are you even in a thread about inexpensive fixed blades? Go spend those big salary dollars on bespoke knives. Or if your time is short and you are also short on funds you are clearly making lousy use of time.
That's fine if it's your hobby. Seems like a waste of time from my POV. I'm not a rich man, or gear snob, but I'm not going to spend 2 hours on a $10 knife, if I can spend a few bucks more for one with a nice sheath.

Although with the declining number of "nice sheathes", maybe it wouldn't be a bad deal. Though I have other hobbies that I neglect already.

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If it's on your hip then you will get profiled in a city. If any weapon is visible you get profiled. Just because people say or do nothing doesn't mean you weren't noted by many. People in cities learn to keep their damn mouths shut until cops start questioning them, and then the cops start running other witnesses and video. You will be treated as suspect until you prove innocence.
Sure. We just had a discussion on how oblivious everyone was, and could hardly be bothered to watch the road. It's been proven that eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable. If you pass by thousands of people in a day, will you notice if a landscaper, or HVAC tin bender has a sod knife or tin knife on his belt? You're sure not going to catalogue all of the weird ones either. Why don't you go ahead and describe the 1st 3 people you saw in public today, that you didn't recognize? Were they carrying anything?

And kind of a moot point if you keep it concealed anyway.

But then you'd be drawing attention to it bringing it out... so?

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There is an oblique deflection if I ever saw one.
Aren't all deflections oblique by nature? Seemed like a more polite response than explaining the definition of virtue signaling.

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Answered already. You are just enjoying the law of averages.
When they are all like that, it's not really the average is it?

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And the innocence of the rural type comes out. Just because they don't stare at you doesn't mean you aren't seen and remembered. Staring invites the return or worse in a city, but experienced city dwellers watch and clock everything discretely.
Yes, just like I remember the details of everyone that I run across, that I might construe as off..

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You only toss the weapon that you have replacements for. The holder you can keep and is likely less conspicuous or more easily hidden on you than a fixed blade knife. It's also not a weapons bust. Knife laws can be more convoluted than gun laws.
They can be.

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It's a knife. You place the tip in ground and stomp on it. Short of a metal detector it could stay there for decades.
That's a good idea, but if you are leaving someone behind and bleeding, don't you think the police know about dogs, and metal detectors?

Ah, the innocence of city dwellers.

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And who says you have to save the box that states the number it?
Didn't say anything about the box. But when they notice you have a sheath that fits it, and if the search your house, they'll recognize a set that's missing one. Especially if the sheath is there.

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First thing you do in Mexico is buy a knife in the market. You toss it in the amnesty box when you leave.......You take the city transportation for jury duty or some other reason to go to court in a downtown area and have to mix with all sorts of types and you stash the blade in a crevice before you walk in and pick it up when you leave and no worries if it gets found......You have a drink in a bar when other patrons get into a fight and you hear the cops get called, where the cops are likely to roust and frisk everyone.......shall I go on?
If you are hanging around while an extended brawl is going down, maybe you need to work on your situational awareness. I'm not sure about the police in Mexico, but they aren't going for the guy that's headed away from trouble. Unless maybe he starts acting weird and pulling out weapons to dispose of...

Brought knives in, and out of Mexico. Weird laws maybe, but I didn't wave them around.

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Just because you can't think of a reason for a "throwdown" doesn't mean there are no good reasons.

That the term even exists is proof of value.
I'm just curious if you carry a throw away gun?....
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We just had a discussion on how oblivious everyone was, and could hardly be bothered to watch the road.
The road and walking are quite different. The road is it's own distraction. Sure, the morons with their head in their phone are distracted, but most smart city dwellers are gently scanning around then for threats. You don't have to catalogue all the details mentally. Your brain is profiling for threats. If you see a visible weapon then your mind registers more about the person you identified. I can casually glance at 50+ people within 50 yards without staring and pick out open weapons, the weird and scruffy ones, the odd shape under their shirt if they are packing poorly, the guy with the backpack who doesn't look like a messenger or student, the 511 gear, and many other things that just don't fit right in the typical herd. Then I check those out a bit more and do it carefully. It's a learned trait like rural people ID certain sounds or marks as certain wild animals. It borderlines on autonomic.

Yes, I and many urban dwellers can scan a couple dozen people and in second or three for something that looks wrong and begin to shift our threat vulnerability. We are scanning and discarding in mere moments until something trips our radar. Then we mentally dispense with non-threats just as fast. Gardener with a sod knife? Is he on the job? In someone's front yard? Fine, he's dismissed. Electrician with a splicing knife? Does his shirt have a employer logo? Do I see his work van? Work tools come with more indicators. And yes, I can glance in a second to decide whether to dismiss them as a threat or keep them in the corner of my eye.
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Why don't you go ahead and describe the 1st 3 people you saw in public today, that you didn't recognize?
You keep trying to parse a natural ability. The first 30 or more were glanced at and forgotten in the time to look elsewhere. But I noted my boss at the office decided to CCW today. Before I saw him I got gas and a drink at a busy Murphy station and picked up my dry cleaning in a strip mall. Maybe 3 or 4 dozen before I walked into the office. This ability is like breathing and only takes split seconds.
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When they are all like that, it's not really the average is it?
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Yes, just like I remember the details of everyone that I run across, that I might construe as off..
I only have to remember those that count.
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That's a good idea, but if you are leaving someone behind and bleeding, don't you think the police know about dogs, and metal detectors?
Ah, the innocence of city dwellers.
They have to know where to look first. Cut a few corners, flip your jacket around, walk through a shop, put a gimme cap on, and stomp it in the ground a few blocks away. And all that assumes you did it because you actually stabbed someone. Lots more reasons to ditch a fixed blade besides stabbing someone.

I can lose you in a Walmart parking lot starting right next to me before you got to the front door. Fact is that I tease my rural friends doing exactly things like that when I take them out on the town. Bars, stores, malls, parking lots, whatever. They tend to talk smack and it's nice to keep them off balance to remind them who's jungle they are in.
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Didn't say anything about the box. But when they notice you have a sheath that fits it, and if the search your house, they'll recognize a set that's missing one. Especially if the sheath is there.
How many are in a set? They come in twos and threes. What happens if you have two sets of 2 and are carrying one blade? Then you have 3 at home, a normal number for many sets. Or just tell them you broke one practicing a while back and trashed it. You are just positive that you can pry out a clue that can't be explained, when it is child's play. I have lots of odds and ends around the house.
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If you are hanging around while an extended brawl is going down, maybe you need to work on your situational awareness.
I'm guessing you didn't get around many bar brawls in your youth. For a Marine it was a twice monthly habit on payday in my youth. It's hell when the fight you don't want to be in is between you and the door. You likely don't know the cops were called until someone says they are already in the parking lot. Time to ditch the weapon in the closest potted plant.
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I'm just curious if you carry a throw away gun?....
Nope, that's a commitment. That's why it is smart to have a throwdown blade at times when carrying a gun is problematic. I do carry a throwdown wallet many times though. I've carried throwdown burner phones too. I've taken cheap work tools on the road where they are likely to be raided. You should see what I carry on planes. Disposable objects come in handy.
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I've been employing a Gerber Mark I. They keep going up in value and are getting harder to find a good should a replacement be needed. I'm considering putting it in the safe and going with a current production clone.

Put that thing in your safe. I like MK I and II Gerber knifes alot. 1 MK I and 2 MK IIs that are in excellent condition. I was looking for a used MK II on Ebay to add to a kit. I specifically wanted a used one since I was planning on abusing it. I knew the prices had gone up but was surprised how much. I have since retired the 3 knives to a safe and picked up a used spec-plus Kbar for an abuse knife.

For EDC I personally like a quality swiss army knife like a Victorinox Rangergrip. It doesn't draw negative attention
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Put that thing in your safe. I like MK I and II Gerber knifes alot. 1 MK I and 2 MK IIs that are in excellent condition. I was looking for a used MK II on Ebay to add to a kit. I specifically wanted a used one since I was planning on abusing it. I knew the prices had gone up but was surprised how much. I have since retired the 3 knives to a safe and picked up a used spec-plus Kbar for an abuse knife.

For EDC I personally like a quality swiss army knife like a Victorinox Rangergrip. It doesn't draw negative attention


My 1982 MK II is in the safe. The MK I will join it now.

I have a couple current production MK IIs also. Not fond of the new serrations or the black finish but they are sharp and functional.
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Wow, this thread is going all different directions from the OP. Just saying.......
It happens, especially when discussing topics we have both an emotional or more boring, utilitarian opinions and perspectives.

What I think is important to define is one's requirements. Many don't consider or carry a knife as a defensive tool. Even for those that do, they have opinions on whether it's carried as a primary defensive tool or backup; I'm more of the latter, which is why I've shifted to smaller fixed blades as I prefer a handgun for my primary defensive tool.

While I consider all knives as tools first and weapons second (or worse-case), some do have more focused designs. Very few of my EDC/Urban knives are my first choices for an outdoors blade, but just about all outdoors-oriented bladed tools can still serve as a defensive knife if needed.

I love larger fixed blades, but for tools I carry on my person, I really avoid knives with blades over 5", and that's either concealed in civilian attire, or on my combat kit. Size matters to me, and I've found larger fixed blades (on my person/Line-1) are too cumbersome, difficult to conceal comfortably, and don't integrated well with my combat kit, getting in/out of vehicles, or maneuvering tight areas or in/around/over obstacles.

And then you have the fixed verse folder debates. Most would agree a fixed blade is the preferred design, but also admit that folders are simply easier to carry in a number of situations.

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For years I whenever I needed to have a bit of extra backup, I carried a Kobun concealed. Very light, very flat, great for concealed carrying for long periods of time. NOt sure what steel they use now but those old ones made in Japan certainly didnt rust easily. Top quality.
I also like Cold Steels roach belly.
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Along those lines ........



I have this blade, but an earlier model. I depend upon it heavily for shaving the callous off the side of my big toe. It has never let me down, holds a razor edge, small enough to avoid accidental toe amputation, and I feel really ninja when I use it ........ what's not to like?

Seriously, going so small reaches a point of diminishing returns as to the criteria for a self defense knife. Once the blade is less than six inches, it becomes mostly a slashing tool. It's nice to have enough length to reach internal organs if the opportunity presents itself.

Oh yes, little needle tips, there is nothing more disappointing than to stab somebody with one of those and have the tip snap off in the bone ...... it is depressing, ruin your whole day.

I bought my daughter the Bowie version of that knife. She loves it and takes it on all her camping/hiking trips. Gave her a Finn Hawk this week because she wanted something with a thicker handle. She’s got a machete coming for Christmas.

Pity the poor bastard that messes with her when she’s older.
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... Cheap edged defense? Go box cutter. Flat, light, cheap and effective.
Years and years ago, the bad-asses carried an old-fashioned straight razor. They could slit your throat wide open before you could feel a thing.
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