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Old 07-21-2019, 08:54 PM
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I am thinking of making one or more small caches that would not have to be very large. Typical contents would be:

Small pistol and 50 bullets (probably .22 LR)
Cash
Silver and gold coins
Medicines, including my prescriptions
Extra IDs
Extra keys
2 - 3 day supply of freeze-dried food
Fire-making items
Small amount of drinking water
Lightweight clothing and some type of shelter

This obviously would not have to be very big. I have heard PVC pipe works well. How is this prepared?

I apologize if this topic has been covered previously. I did a search but didn't find anything.

I am more concerned about a situation where the government is suppressing individual rights and I need to go on the lam, rather than TEOTWAWKI. But if we do have TEOTWAWKI, having some caches with the above items stashed in a few places would be better than nothing.
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I would store water separately. If it leaks and you don't know until you open it years later, you're screwed. For the scenario you're building the cache for I'm not sure a 22lr pistol and 50 rounds is a better choice than a good radio and some batteries that can store for long periods. As for the container itself, have you considered a 5 gallon bucket with a gamma lid?
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I would store water separately. If it leaks and you don't know until you open it years later, you're screwed. For the scenario you're building the cache for I'm not sure a 22lr pistol and 50 rounds is a better choice than a good radio and some batteries that can store for long periods. As for the container itself, have you considered a 5 gallon bucket with a gamma lid?
Thanks. I'm not familiar with gamma lids?

I should be able to get a very small, good radio. Good idea.
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What is the shelf life of your medicines/prescriptions? If you bury some and go back five years later it may be worthless.

My medicine is on an automatic refill at the pharmacy. Occasionally I forget to take something. Over time a small reserve of that has built up on its' own. Of course I rotate my supply and use the oldest first. You may want to do something similar.
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Price wise you should consider a used deer rifle with a sling (30-30) bought after the season a few boxes of shells bought on sale before the season, way more effective for most people than a 22 pistol. Good multitool Wave with the extra bit kit

Cash, gold and silver Who you going to buy from that will not turn you in for the reward?

Meds would good. Band aide, creams, sunglasses, tooth brush, soap

Id Hopefully a good set with someone else name.

Key to what. Your rifle will open locks, other methods are quieter.

More food would be better. Don't forget things like toilet paper/wipes,bug dope/sun screen

Big ferro rod and proper striker, maybe a few tinder tabs

Water filter and a container(s), maybe a few water packets but I'd rather have some sterile saline solution.

Socks, underwear, hat, gloves poncho and woobee.

Bag to carry stuff in.

Arctic type winter is different than desert summer.
Make sure you can dig them up in frozen ground Might hide stuff in trees
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I have built and recovered a similar cache. It stayed in the ground for nearly ten yrs. I learned a lot.https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=393168
One thing I learned was to use a much better method of locating my cache.

I lost one weapon/ammo cache till I released several Guinea Hogs in that pasture.
The French have hogs trained to find truffles, I have hogs that find ammo.
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What is the shelf life of your medicines/prescriptions? If you bury some and go back five years later it may be worthless.

My medicine is on an automatic refill at the pharmacy. Occasionally I forget to take something. Over time a small reserve of that has built up on its' own. Of course I rotate my supply and use the oldest first. You may want to do something similar.
An excellent idea!
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I have built and recovered a similar cache. It stayed in the ground for nearly ten yrs. I learned a lot.https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...d.php?t=393168
One thing I learned was to use a much better method of locating my cache.

I lost one weapon/ammo cache till I released several Guinea Hogs in that pasture.
The French have hogs trained to find truffles, I have hogs that find ammo.
Wow! Hick you had an arsenal in your cache. Preparing to fight an army?
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Cash, gold and silver Who you going to buy from that will not turn you in for the reward?
The trick is to go incognito. Do like Harrison Ford's character in "The Fugitive". Color your hair/Shave your head. Color your beard/Shave your beard. Grow a beard or mustache.

Excellent idea to get a fake ID.
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I am thinking of making one or more small caches that would not have to be very large. Typical contents would be:

Small pistol and 50 bullets (probably .22 LR)
First off here is my take to this point - why go .22? Would a 9mm not make more sense, or something with more power, price wise you can get some low cost 9mm's, really though .38 would be even better. I'd trust a revolver more than a semiauto for long term storage due to potential water infiltration. You can clean up a revolver with electrolysis with some pretty basic things like a car battery charger and some scrap metal, on the flip side you can get some complex materials with a pistol composites.

I would go cheap, first thought is something like the cobra arms .380 as one of the cheapest commercial firearms in the US. These are more or less throw away weapons.

If you were really paranoid you'd store gun parts not full guns, as gun parts are easier to disguise in other objects, for instance springs rods of other devices. If you were smart, you'd use something like cad to work those parts into other, NON weapon devices like sewing machines. You'd also learn to make your own ammunitiion. Bear in mind things like shot gun shells can be made out of paper, and flare guns can easily be converted for use for shotgun shells. However you might want to wax, or deep set your gun if you plan to store it for a long time. For instance soviet weapons put in caches were pretty tarred up with protective mixes. Other water protective things exist where you can apply a laquer that acetone disolves but is waterproof.
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Cash
real us currency is made out of cotton/linen or something of the sort, it is a textile so you should store it like you would clothing, this means you are going to want to seal it airtight, ideally much as you would food with o2 absorbers in a mylar bag with some treated silicagel


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Silver and gold coins
The gold is pretty much indestructable but it should not be stored in contact with other metals. bimetalic corrosion is possible for example gold and tin in contact... bear in mind galvanic corrosion matrices when storing mixed metal in a container, ex brass, silver, steel etc.. it can lead to corrision and gunking of the metal over long periods of time. If storing metal in the samecontainer they should be air sealed from one another. Short term storage may not do much but if exposed to a chemical cell or mositure it can be sped up dramatically.

If you want some resurces on galvanic corrsion and how it functions on items in storage message me.



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Medicines, including my prescriptions
You will probably have to store these well sealed. I do not know your jurisdiction on legal prescription storage not exceeding your doctors authorization for possession since I don't know what medicine or locality it is. I would talk to your doctor about needing to take an extended leave in an area where you did not have access to medicine and get advice from them on getting a larger prescription allowance and advice on how to store it and how long it can be stored without degrading and the potenency changes over time. All chemcials will have different shelf lives and potency and byproducts on exposure to atmosphere and/or light, heat etc.. If you arn't a chemist with pathological/pharmacoological training you should talk to be people with knowledge of your medicine such as the company that makes it.

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Extra IDs
Some IDs may be illegal to store duplicates of. Check with the issuing organization about the allowance to buy extras.


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Extra keys
again if they are metal take into consideration storage degredation. galvanics etc..

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2 - 3 day supply of freeze-dried food
be sure to make it water/airtight.

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Fire-making items
that is ambiguous each starter type has different storage needs but the maxim is to keep moisture away from it.

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Small amount of drinking water
There are water rations but I would consider putting in containers that could be reusable. The idea would be a titanium sealed dish that can be used as a mess cup/pot.

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Lightweight clothing and some type of shelter
natural fabrics degrade way more than some artificial ones. You can vacuum seal the stuff. Your locality would create different suggestions that said, do not overlook good socks and underwear, they make moving long distances so much better. My personal faves here would be smart/wool/spandex type materials definately synthetics, something like the silkweights for layer 1 top bottom, if hot climate oyu might want some athletic wear like under armor, something like or layer 5/6 coldwet pants top and bottom and then if you are in a cold climate throw in a fleece, and perhaps some thermal underwear or layer 2 thermals.


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This obviously would not have to be very big. I have heard PVC pipe works well. How is this prepared?
Do your research. Learn about plumbing, learn about capping make sure it is capped real good. I would then seal it from the outside too. Just bear in mind if you are in a cold area frost heave can bring objects up.


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I apologize if this topic has been covered previously. I did a search but didn't find anything.
Its been mentioned previously.


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I am more concerned about a situation where the government is suppressing individual rights
First off mate, you are now profiled as anti-government and probably now have an FBI file. Or on the contrary you are FBI but I sort of doubt that approach.



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and I need to go on the lam
Seriously man, that is currently a crime so you probably shouldn't be expressing an intent to commit a crime. I highly doubt cops would waste their time hunting you down but seriously not too smart to be advertising.

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, rather than TEOTWAWKI. But if we do have TEOTWAWKI, having some caches with the above items stashed in a few places would be better than nothing.
For sure.


None the less just think it out. IMO it is probably a little better idea to store stuff with friends and family you trust also, of course cops will have all your knowns flagged in the course of an investigation to find you, but again, just because the government steps on your toes doesn't mean that you would get out before the gestapo moves in. Fact is the government already supressed individual rights, they are called laws. People can move from a place where they don't like the laws.

Again it goes way too far into politics but lets just put it this way, say the government does want to take you down -- are you going to plant caches in the area where the government knows you? No, you would get out of dodge take up residence in another jurisdiction, blank slate, and start a new life. The mere idea of storing a firearm for use against the government is a really really stupid thing to post online, even if you can justify it as acting against a tyranical government. You post up you have medical needs, that you want to store firearms and you are antigovernment -- those things combined throw up a massive flag on you.

It seems highly intentional either that or you arn't really thinking before you are posting. Even if you are using tor, fact is the network infrastructure is monitored so they can find you, even if the police can't the higher levels of government can. All this traffic is logged.
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My thoughts on caches:

First a couple of observations:
Caches (plural) in the context to which this article pertains, hiding items, is pronounced ‘cashes’, and when referring to potpourri type sachets is pronounced ‘cash-ayes’.

Singular is ‘cash’ for the hiding and ‘cash-aye’ for the potpourri sachets.

The caches I have made have all been similar to one another in design, if not contents. I always wanted to recover the bucket so I had something to carry the items in once recovered, in case I did not have any transport or LBE when I needed the cache.

The way I do it is a bit more expensive and labor intensive getting the cache put in than most, but much easier and faster to recover than the way some do it, which is better than the other way around, I think.

So here goes, for an earth buried bucket cache. A tubular cache container will be about the same. Scout out a likely spot and monitor it for a few weeks or months to make sure it will not likely be discovered by accident. Check the local flood plain maps to see if the area is subject to minor or major flooding. If it is, that does not mean you cannot use the place, but you will need to use the same precautions you would when making an underwater cache.

Make sure there is a spot some distance away where you can cache a couple of things, just under the surface of the ground. Once you are confident that the place is secure enough, make sure you have what you need.

Bag up the items, even the canned ones, in 2-gallon heavy duty Zip-lock freezer bags and stack things as tightly as you can. If it is a food cache, be sure and include everything you will need to use that food. Including a can opener for sure. But I would put in a knife/fork/spoon, folding handle cup with water bottle, water filter, a solid fuel or gel fuel folding stove if needed. I would also have as much water as would fit in the bucket to fill it up completely.

Special note: NEVER put fuels and other flammables in with anything they can contaminate. The same goes for highly aromatic items. If either leaks, they can ruin other items. Not only do you not want fuel soaked food or clothing, or corroded weapons and tools, you also do not want your clothing smelling like gun cleaning solvent.

Once the bucket is packed, keeping it as light as possible, seal the lid with silicone. Use two smaller buckets that are easily carried, rather than one larger, heavier bucket if you need more space.

Have a second, nesting, bucket for each cache bucket you have made up. Find something to put in the empty bucket that will support the cache bucket just shy of being a glove fit when inserted into the empty bucket.

Get a good pick and shovel, plus a small shovel or e-tool, which should be oiled and put in a zip-lock bag; several more buckets or boxes, and fill them with good, clean, dry mortar sand. Take a small tarp, and some heavy duty clear plastic sheeting and head for the cache point sometime when it will be very unlikely for anyone to see or come up on you while burying the cache.

If you can arrange to place the cache or caches in the fall, just before high winds are expected, or heavy rains, or even a snow storm, all the better. The high winds will be blowing leaves and debris around, if there are any at all in the area, and the rain and snow can help cover up any traces of the ground having been disturbed.

You can place a cache any time of the year, just be extra careful of setting the site to rights so there are as few signs as possible that anything has been done there.

Now this is where I do things rather different than most. Move any surface material away carefully before digging. Lay down the tarp. When you dig the hole, make it two good shovel widths larger all around than the diameter of the bucket, especially if you want to recover everything. Place all the extracted dirt onto the tarp as you remove it from the hole.

Once you are deep enough to have the buckets at least 6" and preferably 12" to 18" below the level of the ground, put in the empty bucket and carefully fill around it with some of the sand until it is stable. Put in the support and then the cache bucket. Make sure it will slide in and out easily. Fill the rest of the hole up to within 6" of the top. Spread out the plastic sheet, digging the hole wider if it is likely to flood or get a lot of rain in the area, so the plastic covers well past the edges of the bucket. Add a bit more sand, making sure none of the plastic shows above it, and finish filling the hole with the dirt that was dug out. Do not leave a depression, but you also do not want a mound. Just enough to allow for a little settling.

Load up the extra buckets/boxes used to bring out the sand with the rest of the dirt. Gather up the tarp and tools and take them, and the buckets/boxes of dirt and haul it off so there is nothing left indicating a hole was dug. Carefully camouflage the area, replacing any surface materials you moved before digging.

Record the location, using coded instructions, on a coded map. Take the small shovel or e-tool to a spot nearby where you can cache it just a few inches below the surface of the ground. Drop a sawn off piece of broom handle, sharpened slightly on one end nearby, on the surface of the ground.

Have a second set of coded instructions, using alternate landmarks, just in case one or more of the original ones are changed in some way.

If there might be a real problem relocating the cache, such as in a large open area, among really rocky areas, or any area with plain terrain features, bury a
Neodymium rare earth magnet just under the surface of the ground, somewhere near the cache as an ‘anchor point’ from which measurements and bearings can be taken to relocate the cache. One simply walks the area, with a compass attached to a stick so it can be kept close to the ground. Watch the compass needle. When close to one of these powerful magnets the compass needle will deflect and the magnet can be located. Then with the location of the actual cache determined.

When the time comes to recover the cache, middle of the night, blowing rain, trying to snow, with five guys and two mean dogs after you, recover the broomstick, dig up the trowel, scoop the thin layer of surface dirt free of the sheet plastic, scoop out the easy to move sand off the top of the cache bucket, down to where it is sitting in the bottom bucket. If enough room was left when the buckets were nested, the cache bucket should pull out of the bottom bucket easily. If there is too much space sand will have worked down and locked the two together. If not enough space is left, the compression of the bottom bucket will make it more difficult to get the cache bucket out. But it is not that hard to hit the right medium.

Pull the bucket and if you have time, try to fill in the hole best you can, hoping it will not be discovered until too late so the pursuers do not know you recovered anything, or if it is obvious you did, not what it was in the cache.

Now, if you have plenty of time, and conditions are not too bad, you can fairly easily recover the bottom, empty bucket, if you want. By having the hole a good shovel width around the bucket, filled with that dry, loose sand, it can be scooped out enough to pull out the empty bucket for future use. The main reason to use it is to make it easy to recover the cache bucket.

Another option, rather than just a brick or 2x4, or something to hold up the cache bucket, you can stash some additional supplies in it to do the same thing. If the cache is found, chances are the people will not dig out the bucket, not realizing how easy it is. Just get down to the lid and pull it off to get what is inside, leaving the remains of the bucket on top of the things in the bottom bucket.

You can carry that one step further, since getting the second bucket out is not all that hard, and have some double bagged and wrapped items below the bottom bucket. Even if the cache bucket is found and pulled out, and anything in the bottom bucket, it would take someone as devious as me to keep digging to pull out that bottom bucket to see if there was anything else underneath.

An option, if it is going to be difficult to not be observed by chance, is if the site is at all suitable as a campsite, set up a fairly large tipi or other tent with no floor over the cache spot. You can do all the work without anyone seeing what you are doing. Just leave the surface of the ground in the same condition as it was when you set up the tipi and no one should be any the wiser. Carry out the excess dirt in the same buckets in which you brought the sand.


The basics of caching drums are very similar to those for bucket caches. But there are some differences. Here are some things specific to the drum caches (This refers to open top drums with sealable lids, not drums for liquids with bungs.):

First, 55-gallon drums are big and heavy. Think about using 30-gallon drums if you can find them.

Second, if you are planning to just dig down to the top of the drums, remove the tops, and recover the items, I would think about that twice. The drums will be a valuable asset in and of themselves in the PAW. Also, by recovering the drums and repacking the contents (if you have to unload them to recover), it will be much easier to move everything by simply rolling the barrel rather than moving all the individual components or containers.

To facilitate this, I would have rope sling bridles tied up, using rope impervious to the type of ground you have, that you can put under and around the drums. This will allow the easy use of a pickup truck hoist, or tripod to lower and then lift the drums from the hole.

Now, a shovel width all the way around a bucket is adequate. You will need somewhat more to be able to dig all the way around the drum and get deep enough to recover it. Either that, or you will need to make a scoop device specifically to get the sand from around the drum without having to get down into the hole with it, with would be the preferred method for me.

Now, to anchor the drums from floating/vibrating out of the ground, I would use a dead-man type anchor. If you use the method I describe below, you will have plenty of room to put down a circle of sheet goods such as plywood, scrap sheet metal, or even a built up sheet made from a double layer (crossed) of one by twos or whatever. Whatever you use will need to be round, as large as the hole, minus just a little to make it easy to get down there.

And similar to the sling bridle for the drums, put down two ropes, crossed in the middle of the hole, before you put down the dead-man. Install the drum on the center of the dead-man, place a pair of crossed two by twos on top of the drum and tie off the ropes to them. This way, for the barrel to come out of the ground, and it is likely due to the slick surface, not only the weight of the drum, but the entire weight and mass of the backfill will also have to come up, which is highly unlikely because of the additional weight and the friction of the sand against the sides of the hole.

Some things you might not want to cache. Anything you really cannot afford to lose, for sure. Cache can be and are found from time to time by accident. Things that could get you in trouble if found should not be cached in open areas. Neither should anything that can be used against you. Such as guns or certain documents. Some of those things can be cached, but the locations must be where they would be extremely unlikely to be found.

As to protecting firearms and other important metallic objects, if you chose to risk caching them, I would grease them up, and then slip them into silicon impregnated sleeves before putting them into Mylar or plastic sealed bag, with either an O2 absorbent or desiccant pack.

A few words about alternative locations. Caches do not necessarily have to be buried in the ground. Using the proper containers, properly sealed, caches can be anchored under the water in ponds or lakes. I would not try it in rivers, as they can be washed away quite easily.

Caches around the home, on the property are a good idea. Just so you can have some equipment and supplies in case you home is damaged or destroyed and you cannot retrieve things immediately. They still need to be secure and hidden, but as you can generally control access to the property, perhaps quite as secure or hidden as off-property caches. (Some good places for home caches: under the sandbox, along the fence row, under the birdbath, the middle of the garden. The possibilities are endless.)

Caches can be placed next to steep hills or bluffs and material brought down around them. In rocky terrain, you can build a cairn to hide a cache. If there are some structures around that are not frequently used, caches can be secreted in, under, around, or on them.

That can include trees. Especially in swampy areas or areas prone to floods that are likely to have all sorts of junk lying around, or caught up in trees and abandoned structures. Unless you are careless and do not make it look like it has been there since the last flood, that old ice cream bucket stuck up in the tree, filled with filth would not bring any attention to it. And could have a zip-lock bag with some necessities hidden in that filth.

Which brings me to the point that not all caches need be bucket sized or bigger. You might just need to have a few things available. A gallon zip-lock, or even a quart one might hold just what you need. They can be secreted in some very small places that would escape notice unless someone was doing a very detailed search for some reason.

And the opposite is true. You might need to cache quite a bit of stuff. If you do, do not make one large cache. Spread smaller caches out within an area. You do not want to lose everything at once.

Here are some specific and general alternatives to buried and open caches in wilderness areas. These are more for urban areas when burial is not a very good option in some cases.

Depending on the actual types of construction in the area, from type of roads, sanitary drains and storm drains, housing construction, business construction, public works, play grounds, parks, and pretty much everything else, a person will probably be able to find several spots where a container can be placed that will either be well hidden, or blend in well enough to not draw any attention, unless the place is disturbed for some other reason.

Which that chance will be a major part of the location selection process. For instance, if the roof of your building is a flat roof, and there are several plumbing stacks on it, or air conditioning units and/or ducts, or antenna poles, or drains for rain water, or gutters and downspouts, or fire escapes, or roof access hatches, or... on and on and on.

Look around carefully, but with an out of the box and pushing the envelope mindset. You do not have to use PVC pipe. Work okay for a dummy plumbing vent if it matches the others, and has internal plugs (with the top one recessed a few inches so at just a glance it will look like an open pipe), and there are not any people that actively use the roof, or can see it. If a maintenance person is up there regularly, he/she would spot a new fake plumbing vent. But not necessarily something inside and around a corner of an air conditioning unit. Or some bracing on antenna poles, or an extra down spout in an area not looked at often, or a piece of gutter somewhere that does not necessarily have to have one, and with a screen over it to keep out leaves, could hide a few things.

If there is anywhere close that has a sandbox, such as a park, the building playground (I would stay off school grounds), large planter boxes, or pretty much anything else that has much sand in it, you can possibly volunteer to help refurbish, fix, or even simply install one, so you can make sure the sand is really deep, and you can plant a cash there, also deep, so playing children, or gardeners will not dig down anywhere near enough to hit it.

If there are storm drains that are too small to enter, but have road side or street side grates, covers, or openings, you can rig a container that you can push back down the line, on a stand of some type to keep it up out of the water (so it does not get carried down, as it should be waterproof to the point it can stay under the water for days), with a way to hook it and pull it out when needed.

Many things can be done if you volunteer, such as the sand boxes or planters mentions. If you help repair public works such as other things in parks, or common areas of housing units, there is a good chance you can install caches during the process of doing the work, when no one else is around, or you cannot be seen. Again, buried, or added to above ground structures and things like light poles, cross over supports, sign posts, the bases for those poles, etc.

If you are helping build a storage shed for the property, or the park, or for a neighbor, or for anyone close, work in some reinforcing beams vertically and/or horizontally. One or more can have a hollow where you can stash some things. Even a short section of decorative beam made of foam that can be matched to real beams in an out of the way, non structural spot, so a couple of hammer blows will break it open and you can retrieve your cache.

You can even do some of the things at your own place, even in an apartment. Build some fancy, free standing shelves, and trim them out with hollow beams. Hidden compartments. Display cases with hidden compartments or under shelf hiding spots that are hidden by a shelf front piece that projects down a couple or three inches.

Curtain valences that are hollow, or have space on top hidden by a raised front.

There are hundreds of ways to hide things. Sometimes in plain sight. Do you know anyone in high school taking metal shop? Maybe have them make a couple of aluminum castings of old pirate flintlocks, with hollow backs. Hide a gun in a gun kind of thing.

Those are just some of the possibilities. Looking over an area with caches in mind will reveal many more specific to the location.

A word on using decoy caches:
If you suspect that people know you are a prepper, and have any inclination that you might be using caches, you might want to use some decoy or dummy caches to divert them from looking for and finding your serious caches. Unless the person(s) are experienced preppers themselves, or have caching experience, including geo-caching, they are unlikely to be very skilled at finding them. But in a situation where they might be desperate enough to force you to tell them where your caches are, or simply are willing to put in a great deal of effort to find them without letting you know, people might just be seriously looking for them.

As with many other prepper situations, having some decoy, dummy, and sacrificial caches can be just one more tool to protect your supplies. And, possibly, your safety, if you are detained and force is used to try to get information from you.

Either way, if you can install some caches that you will not mind being found and losing in some instances, it might just be enough to get the people from looking further, or using greater force to get you to give up some of your real caches.

Decoy and dummy caches usually do not have to be nearly as well placed, concealed, or as much work done to emplace them. While you might not want them to be completely obvious, making them fairly easy to find without it being clear that you want them found (most people think everyone else is a lot dumber than they themselves are, and will usually believe their vastly superior intellect allowed them to find something you thought you had hidden so well), if they are decoy or dummies, with no actual cache there in the case of dummies, or one set up to be useless to them in the case of decoy caches, and you are not around for them to take vengeance upon, it might discourage them. Again, the mindset that you are not smart enough to actually have real caches when you used a decoy to try and fool them might come into play and cause them to quit wasting resources and time to look for more.

Decoy caches can also be used to simply take the heat off, if they have some items in them, but not of a type that can be used against you, or will provide the person with much in the way of help or more than very short term sustenance, again convincing the person that you do not have anything that will actually be of great value to them, as they were hoping.

The other situation is to have a cache a bit better positioned and ostensibly concealed, but that you can give up or they can find, that has the appearance of having been accessed and everything, or everything of importance taken already. If forced to give up the location, if you have it set up so it is believable that someone else simply found it, and you were unaware of that fact, they are less likely to take retribution for having been sent to a useless cache.

There is a risk that these actions will create a situation where you are at more risk due to their anger, but I believe the advantages of using decoy, dummy, and sacrificial caches will be worth the slight risk.

I am not going to get into full structure caches, such as buried tanks and such. They are a different subject in my opinion, with their own special procedures.

A note on sealing PVC pipe caches: While everything in the tube should be itself in water proof/water resistant packaging, the PVC does need to be sealed, too. The main options have been the regular solvent weld caps (‘glue on’ caps, which is a misnomer as it is actually a solvent weld), or a female adapter with a screw in plug well sealed with silicone or a water proof grease.

For the few PVC pipe caches I have helped set up recently I am now recommending using the appropriate sized cast iron, stainless steel banded rubber cap. The quality ones seal very well to PVC, and the stainless steel band and screw clamps hold up well in most places. To improve the corrosion resistance of the stainless steel (and even the rubber, as some things in the soil can cause rubber to deteriorate) is to coat the whole cap with a layer of silicone. (Or with hot gun glue if assembly is done where one can be used.)

Using the screw clamp stainless steel banded rubber caps makes it much easier to quickly access the contents of a PVC pipe cache. Scrape away any coating, if used, and use you pocket screwdriver (or better yet, your pocket socket driver) to loosen the screw clamps and band, and then work the rubber cap off the pipe.

As I mentioned, the rubber does seal very well to the PVC, so it does take a bit of effort to remove it. But not nearly as much as it does to cut the pipe if a solvent weld cap has been used, nor the effort to unscrew a well sealed screw plug in an adapter, which usually takes a fairly bulky tool (strap wrench) to hold the pipe, and large slip joint pliers to grip the plug nut to unscrew it. Easier with two people, and alternatives for the regular tools can be used, but all things considered, I believe the rubber caps for cast iron pipe is a better alternative.

Just my opinion

List of some types of caches:
01) Base camp cache: provides the materials and supplies to set up a base camp
02) Bulk trade goods cache: holds larger quantities of trade goods
03) Financial cache: financial and monetary assets
04) Food preservation cache: the items needed to preserve foods short and long term
05) Fuel/Automotive trade goods cache: trade goods relating to transportation
06) Packaged trade goods cache: small pre-packaged or home packaged trade goods
07) Reequip cache: items to replace those lost, damaged, seized, etc.
08) Resupply cache: fairly comprehensive cache of consumables
09) Simple supply cache: basic human needs cache for short term needs
10) Tradesman’s tools cache: items to set up shop for various activities
11) Travel route cache: materials to keep a vehicle going, as well as the humans
12) Arms and ammunition cache: pretty self-explanatory
13) Small to large multipurpose caches: group of caches with a wide variety of items
14) Retreat cache: items needed to set up a retreat and/or equipment/supplies for one
15) GOOD cache: items needed to leave an area and get one somewhere else
16) Mission(s) cache: caches of items needed to carry out various critical missions
17) Role camouflage cache: items to change appearance for a variety of situations
18) Short term stash cache: usually expedient to hide things temporarily
19) Intermediate term stash cache: same as above, but for later recovery
20) MT cache: prepared, but empty caches for use as needed
21) Decoy cache: cache(s) that can be found either with sacrificial items or that appear to have been emptied and poorly rehidden

Just my opinion.
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Like all real estate location is everything.

Corners of stone walls, cellars of buildings, distinctly marked graves.
Be able to find after building wrecked or demolished.

Isolated caves permit unburied cashes.
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Like all real estate location is everything.

Corners of stone walls, cellars of buildings, distinctly marked graves.
Be able to find after building wrecked or demolished.

Isolated caves permit unburied cashes.
Unburied cashes allow for easy access by animals.
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I hope this isn't hijacking the thread...but what are the purposes of having caches? I can see having caches placed along the way if you have a long way to go to bug out. I can see multiple caches on your own property or nearby in case you are robbed of your own stores. I can see caches being used if you are running out of room for storage in your own dwelling. Any other reasons?
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I scanned the replies. I do know medical shelf life is about 3 times longer than legal shelf life. Some are a function of how they are sealed, temp high and lows and fluctuations. I think I would be willing to chance external meds like antibiotics than internal prescription meds.

Batteries in general are a bad idea. One unused they will still go bad and leak. Two they can screw up most anything else.

I do know ammo will store for a long time with extreme weather temperature fluctuations. I have some 100 year old ammo still good kept most of the time in an un-temp controlled garage.

Just my opinion.
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I hope this isn't hijacking the thread...but what are the purposes of having caches? I can see having caches placed along the way if you have a long way to go to bug out. I can see multiple caches on your own property or nearby in case you are robbed of your own stores. I can see caches being used if you are running out of room for storage in your own dwelling. Any other reasons?
The primary purpose for me is secure storage.
Protection from animals, storm or fire damage, and especially secure against peoole.
Everyday robbers, SHTF gangs, even self important local politicians deciding that all remaining supplies must be shared.

Caching basic camping gear and a years worth of supplies should be a major priority.
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Great post by Jerry D Young about installing a cash.
I have a few more points to consider.
1- Use post hole diggers, it is difficult to dig a small diameter hole, down beyond 2 feet with a shovel.
2- The sound of a shovel striking a rock travels a long way.
3- Use a 100 ft tape to measure from 3 or more permanent reference points, large rusty bolts or metal rods driven into the ground, that can easily be found with a metal detector, make good reference points.
4- If your cash can be detected, use locations next to metal objects that will mask the cash from a metal detector, like a fence post, a water line or the ground rod of a power poll.
5- Seed the location with metal objects to confuse a metal detector.
6- Metal bucket handles can be detected so unbend the hook ends and remove the handle. Cut off the plastic which could help age the handle and leave it far enough away, not to be a clue, if found by a metal detector.
7- Buckets are tapered and will float up in clay soil that does not drain well.
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Unburied cashes allow for easy access by animals.
That didn't seem to be a problem for Italian and French partisans who stashed galvanized steel British F canisters in caves, up in the rafters of barns or hung up high in trees. And it hasn't been for me over 30 years using US military ammunition cans in the manner described in my earlier post.
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Lots of good info in your post. Thanks, Jerry.
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