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Replaced three tank-at-bowl-height "contemporary" toilets with Toto Drake toilets years ago at dad's house.

Though with the "soft-close" seat they were closer to $300 each delievered back then.
Oh yeah, you can blow a mint on Toto products when you go for the extras or fancier units.

The Japanese will pay big money for their fancy Toto units.

I'm just happy they chose to offer a no-fills basic unit in the Drake. At that price they can compete at prices with US toilet brands.
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is the water swirling in the bowl when you flush or kind of trickling in ? if it is not swirling then the holes under the edge of the bowl are clogged up and need to be cleaned out .
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And if you want to do away with a water saver these days buy a American standard champion 4 and swap out the flush valve with a lower profile one.

You will notice the flush valve is higher up on them than other models.
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A lot of great laughs on the MWC show on the Fergesons, but not realistic on today's market.

At some point in my discussion about my life story here I mentioned at SB that my forever bachelor life left me time for second jobs. I've done lots of second jobs because making money beats sitting around looking around to find ways to entertain one's self. For a few years I was a "Homer" at Home Depot. They have ditched the concept now, and lost that edge in the retail wars, but they used to hire licensed pros to hang around on weekends. I suspect they ditched the idea because pros were mostly there to milk it the high end pay. Shame that my cohorts screwed up a good idea, but I took it seriously. I could sell toilets on weekends like nobody had ever seen. Drop me a pallet of top price toilets on the sales floor and I'd sell a dozen of them before my lunch break.

Seems most folks had an issue talking about toilet mechanics and getting embarrassed. In reality it was easy if you just said solid and liquid waste. Just using safe words and not being embarrassed solved the communication problem. Talking to men about the female habit of using too much TP got them commiserating and ready to upgrade. Teen daughter? Yeah, they were easy to pitch the top of the line. Military guy trained on 20 squares of TP a day? Another easy mark once they had a wife. Seriously, you gals use 10 times or more TP a day than real men do, and the toilet pays the price.

If you want high flow toilets then be prepared to hunt the antique market. Low flow toilet regs went in 30 years ago and you can't buy anything new. I know that Kohler still will send old tubs/sinks/toilets back through the kilns for a new glaze if you are willing to pay the fees involved. Otherwise you just have to shop the 2nd hand market for toilets in good condition. Most old high flow toilets just need a Fluidmaster parts upgrade to work like before. Just become a toilet mechanic. It's a lot easier than you think. Most handy guys are already halfway there. To a licensed plumber not facing a venting problem a toilet job is easy money. Only the weak and the ignorant can't deal with toilets once you learn how.

If you just don't want to learn about toilets then buy new Kohlers and Totos.

Sorry, but you don't have the option to be cheap, physically weak, lazy, and ignorant about toilets all at once.
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