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Aren't you glad your doing that now when you can go to the store and replace crops they eat! ?!...
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100%..
My garden is covering my needs already, and have done so for 4 or 5 years. Then again, I don't focus much on annuals, but rather on perennials..
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My garden is covering my needs already, and have done so for 4 or 5 years. Then again, I don't focus much on annuals, but rather on perennials..
Truly inspiring!

Please share what your growing zone is and what you have planted - both varietal names and quantities (square footage, row length or unit of measure appropriate for the crop); also, typical yields and how many people you provide for off those plantings. I know self-sufficient, sustainable gardening is something I strive for and am always on the look-out for ways to improve my production. I am sure there are others here in the same situation. Please, do tell!
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... There is a wealth of knowledge here, and yes, other Gardening Forums. The best part is that its regular folks, real people, sharing what they know, and ask for nothing in return.

Over the years I have had the occasional "idol". A Farmer or Market Gardener that I looked upto and thought, "wow.. they have it figured out!" Then I realized that they seem to spend more time selling books and classes then actually working the soil.

Peruse the Garden threads, and ask lots of questions.

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I have a foot-in-the-door with a few local groups. I know a few people In-Real-Life who produce a huge quantity of food from their gardening. I also see the folks with their book tours and speaking engagements, and I see the criticism on forums. You can not mention Scot and Helen Nearing around here without cult followers showing up. Last night I attended a committee meeting and among the topics of discussion, they were complaining about how little all of these folks earn in a year.

There are guys like you and I who see that it can be done, but we also see that those who are doing it are in astute poverty. So they back off a bit and write a book about the lifestyle. Hoping the book tours pay off.

I know a lot of folks who are trying to subsist from how much they can make in market-gardening.

I think that from now on I need to preface this with: Anyone who wants to enter subsistence farming must first agree to a 'Vow of poverty'.
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Well then there is the curious case of the Devrae family of the Urban Homestead fame. They appeared to work their tails off on a large urban lot and produce much for their own needs plus surplus to sell . But I doubt they elected poverty since articles pointed out they monetized their brand by taking out a patent on more than one phrase but the words 'urban homestead' were one and then subsequently launched lawsuits against others for infringement . Drummed out of one religion they actually made and had their own religion certified such they could be taxed as a religion and there was declaration they made a surprisingly healthy income from donations, from speaking engagements and have long running you tube videos and sales off their website as well as farm stand sales Ö I have to wonder if they are not profiting above the poverty line .
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Good saying.

I have a foot-in-the-door with a few local groups. I know a few people In-Real-Life who produce a huge quantity of food from their gardening. I also see the folks with their book tours and speaking engagements, and I see the criticism on forums. You can not mention Scot and Helen Nearing around here without cult followers showing up. Last night I attended a committee meeting and among the topics of discussion, they were complaining about how little all of these folks earn in a year.

There are guys like you and I who see that it can be done, but we also see that those who are doing it are in astute poverty. So they back off a bit and write a book about the lifestyle. Hoping the book tours pay off.

I know a lot of folks who are trying to subsist from how much they can make in market-gardening.

I think that from now on I need to preface this with: Anyone who wants to enter subsistence farming must first agree to a 'Vow of poverty'.
I understand what your getting at. I think wherein the problems begin, is what is truly in the heart of the person in question. I think it depends on what you crave in life. Theres nothing wrong with having nice things. But some folks in Market Farming or Farming in general make it sound like its as simple as planting and harvesting, and the world will beat a path to your door to throw money at you.

We know better.

Like I said in my previous comment, none of us here ask for anything in return. Well other then its nice when someone hits the "thanks" button. But that doesnt cost anybody anything.

I know a couple names in the Farming circle, big names that are now being called into question. As to whether or not their preaching is actually possible. Or if its more for driving book sales. I just had a friend from another forum send me a message about a semi-local farmer offering a "Lettuce Class". I just shook my head. Maybe the guy wants to get info out, but why not do it for free?

And certainly in the past, books have been published by Authors who had a real desire to share. Ruth Stout comes to mind. All the evidence points to her having lived a simple life till the end.

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Well then there is the curious case of the Devrae family of the Urban Homestead fame. They appeared to work their tails off on a large urban lot and produce much for their own needs plus surplus to sell . But I doubt they elected poverty since articles pointed out they monetized their brand by taking out a patent on more than one phrase but the words 'urban homestead' were one and then subsequently launched lawsuits against others for infringement . Drummed out of one religion they actually made and had their own religion certified such they could be taxed as a religion and there was declaration they made a surprisingly healthy income from donations, from speaking engagements and have long running you tube videos and sales off their website as well as farm stand sales Ö I have to wonder if they are not profiting above the poverty line .
Thats a name I havent heard in a long time. I had to go look and see what they were upto. Evidently the Patriarch, Jules passed on in 2016. But the children are still carrying on.

Ill admit that they inspired me early on. Way back in the day. But that was before they started suing everybody left and right.

What I do know about them, I think they started with the best intentions. And there is nothing wrong with making a living. It just the way they go about it.
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To whom it may interest.... In the spirit of this thread, I've launched a blog on self sufficient related topics, faith, social commentary. The basic premise is grid down, organic gardening. If we learn to grow like Ma and Pa Ingalls, we could easily withstand a power grid catastrophe.

The about page sums it up

https://growingfromscratch.com/about/


Its new, but I've been storing away post ideas for a few years, and wasting a lot of content, giving it away to Facebook. Going to give it a year, and see how it goes.
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To whom it may interest.... In the spirit of this thread, I've launched a blog on self sufficient related topics, faith, social commentary. The basic premise is grid down, organic gardening. If we learn to grow like Ma and Pa Ingalls, we could easily withstand a power grid catastrophe.

The about page sums it up

https://growingfromscratch.com/about/


Its new, but I've been storing away post ideas for a few years, and wasting a lot of content, giving it away to Facebook. Going to give it a year, and see how it goes.
Nice looking site - good luck.
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Thanks. Its not as polished as I would like, but I'm still learning the platform. Wordpress isn't as intuitive as I'd like it to be.

My hope is to eventually have a small home based business related to small scale farming and / or meat production, and that this blog may be a partial support structure towards building that.

If nothing else, it gives me a place to publish content that may benefit me more than Facebook.
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To whom it may interest.... In the spirit of this thread, I've launched a blog on self sufficient related topics, faith, social commentary. The basic premise is grid down, organic gardening. If we learn to grow like Ma and Pa Ingalls, we could easily withstand a power grid catastrophe.

The about page sums it up

https://growingfromscratch.com/about/


Its new, but I've been storing away post ideas for a few years, and wasting a lot of content, giving it away to Facebook. Going to give it a year, and see how it goes.
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Thanks. Its not as polished as I would like, but I'm still learning the platform. Wordpress isn't as intuitive as I'd like it to be.

My hope is to eventually have a small home based business related to small scale farming and / or meat production, and that this blog may be a partial support structure towards building that.

If nothing else, it gives me a place to publish content that may benefit me more than Facebook.
Hey man, glad to see your still around.

Will be checking out your site, for sure.

Honestly, I truly believe that small farms is where its at. "Small Scale" is something that you have to define for yourself. I personally think small enough that heavy equipment isnt needed. Something you can maintain with the most basic of tools.

A lot of food CAN be grown in smaller spaces. We just have to get away from "modern ag."
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Oh sure, still here. Just havenít had much to contribute lately. And have been working up content for the blog, so there would be a few posts already published when I launched it.
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No garden this year (again) except maybe I can do a couple of tomato plants and pepper plants and a few herbs in containers. Moving to a new state, but only to a temp place that I have zero control over, sucks for prepping

Although, since my containers are all in storage, it's an excuse to get a few new ones that I wanted, anyway

So right now, unless something major actually happened, I couldn't dig up the back yard and plant enough to keep us going I'll just trust God to provide... . ...which even with a garden, we still need to do
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Hey man, glad to see your still around.

Will be checking out your site, for sure.

Honestly, I truly believe that small farms is where its at. "Small Scale" is something that you have to define for yourself. I personally think small enough that heavy equipment isnt needed. Something you can maintain with the most basic of tools.

A lot of food CAN be grown in smaller spaces. We just have to get away from "modern ag."
I suspect we may see an increase in the near future of small growing.
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I suspect we may see an increase in the near future of small growing.
I agree. I feel like the .gov shutdown should be a huge wakeup call for folks. This shutdown has officially broken some barriers that I think were considered "sacred" so to speak. I wont go on, dont want to derail.

But, the shutdown does exhibit exactly why we need to grow food. Preserve food. Store food.

Pile that on along with the constant recalls over contamination of the food supply. Fresh food, canned food, frozen food. Its all at risk.

We are way over-due for one hell of a catastrophe.
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My suspicion is tied more to the oncoming tidal wave of automation and UBI.
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My suspicion is tied more to the oncoming tidal wave of automation and UBI.
UBI?? I dont follow?

Are you saying job loss?

That I could see. Then again, I dont know. People are creatures of habit. I cant see them waking up and saying, "lets grow our food".
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UBI?? I dont follow?

Are you saying job loss?

That I could see. Then again, I dont know. People are creatures of habit. I cant see them waking up and saying, "lets grow our food".
I appreciate those folks, as should you.
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UBI?? I dont follow?

Are you saying job loss?

That I could see. Then again, I dont know. People are creatures of habit. I cant see them waking up and saying, "lets grow our food".
Iím referring to the potential for a Universal Basic Income system to be instituted in the wake of mass automation as some futurists predict
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Ahh..

Clearly I havent had nearly enough coffee this morning. Everything is just going over my head.
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There's a lot of acronyms in life.... impossible to remember them all. On my blog, I plan to coin the use of "EP" for emergency prep because I think its more innocuous than "prepper"... and its shorter to type all the time
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