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I mentioned this in another thread and was asked to post this. This was from the Ferguson rioting/looting during 14/15.

These are some of the things I have taken away from watching the civil unrest in my state, ymmv. I have been watching this with interest in how the .gov will act or react when order breaks down.

• LEO’s are easily overwhelmed and can only control a small area when they are outnumbered.
• LEO’s appear to not care to protect personal property or real estate.
• NG is only effective if the governor is willing to use them without restraint.
• LEO’s will not tolerate any organized groups to defend real estate. i.e. Oathkeepers in Ferguson were ordered out and “sighted” by LEO snipers.
• The media is in fact the enemy. They downplay looter violence and exaggerate property owner violence.
• Outsiders will flood the area to loot, burn and escalate the violence. They may be localized outsiders or out of state outsiders. The latter are most likely associated with some type of group.
• Social media is being used to call in rioters/looters.
• Aircraft with FLIR can be defeated by using numbers, there will only be a few at most aircraft available, by using the “turkey flock” defense of scattering, and then blending in with other ppl if possible. One aircraft can only follow one person at a time when they scatter.

ETA: As an addendum to #2, The local residents and business owners were advised to leave and stay elsewhere. The businesses that were occupied by armed owners were NOT looted.

While the protests were loud and unruly in the evenings the worst of the violence (Looting and arson and at least 1 murder) started around 1am. By daylight and most of the rest of the morning there were no protesters on the street. This may be useful if someone had to travel through an area of unrest.
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https://www.survivalistboards.com/sho...d.php?t=777553

I AM THERE...

Above are my observations from the Stockley Protests THIS YEAR.
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Above are my observations from the Stockley Protests THIS YEAR.
The big difference between the two imo, was a Governor that would not put up with the looting, (see bullet point #3).

The previous one was playing some kind of game holding them back.
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These observations are consistent with my observations in Anacostia area of Washington, DC during the 1968 riots. DC National Guard danced around the protestors and MPD was overwhelmed. When things started getting dicey and they started burning buildings the Marines at the barracks at 8th & Eye streets turned out in full battle drill with their M14s and live ammunition and established a perimeter around the 8th and Eye Barracks and the Washington Navy Yard.
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Years ago there was a riot in Detroit. One of the paratrooper divisions got called out for riot control. Weeks after the riots ended, city officials were finding dead people in garbage bins with bayonet or knife wounds in the center of their chests where they had been run through with a knife or bayonet. Paratroopers have NOT been used for riot control ever since those days. The interesting thing is that the riots ended rather quickly, almost suddenly.
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No reason any prepper/survivalist should be caught up in a riot. Bug in or bug out but avoid the mess.
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I was working at Boeing when all the Michael Brown imported chaos (most trouble were bussed in morons) started. Fortunately I never got caught up in anything but, I was always prepared with 12 gauge, lots of buck & slug, and my XD9.

I keep a Long gun as its presents gets respect from even the dumbest amoung the thugs.

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During this time there was a "March to Jefferson City" (the state capitol).

Ironically it was mostly a few tour buses and they would pull up to one of the small towns along the route and disembark and walk through the town. They had a car driving along and one guy would walk, they would switch walkers. This I would assume is so there was an actual "march" the length of the route.

At each town along the route that went down Interstate 44 then west on US Route 50 counter protesters would gather. And the farther from the STL area the more counter protesters showed up.

Now don't read me wrong here, I took the Oath at 17 and believe everone has a right to freedom of speech and PEACEFUL protest, but this was all just a big show for the media. The "marchers" would get off the bus outside of a town and with heavy police (state, county, and local) escort, including air cover, "march" through the town for the local news crews to film them.

Once they got into the smaller towns counter protesters would swell the population of the town several times over. These were not the "bused in" type counter protesters but local county residents. It got to the point the car and single walker stopped because they were in fear from the size of the crowds of counter protesters.

After I have seen the locals come out of the country side for this, and then see in another sub forum about the possibility of street gangs taking over a rural area, I really don't think any outsiders are going to get much control of any rural area.
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During this time there was a "March to Jefferson City" (the state capitol).

Ironically it was mostly a few tour buses and they would pull up to one of the small towns along the route and disembark and walk through the town. They had a car driving along and one guy would walk, they would switch walkers. This I would assume is so there was an actual "march" the length of the route.

At each town along the route that went down Interstate 44 then west on US Route 50 counter protesters would gather. And the farther from the STL area the more counter protesters showed up.

Now don't read me wrong here, I took the Oath at 17 and believe everone has a right to freedom of speech and PEACEFUL protest, but this was all just a big show for the media. The "marchers" would get off the bus outside of a town and with heavy police (state, county, and local) escort, including air cover, "march" through the town for the local news crews to film them.

Once they got into the smaller towns counter protesters would swell the population of the town several times over. These were not the "bused in" type counter protesters but local county residents. It got to the point the car and single walker stopped because they were in fear from the size of the crowds of counter protesters.

After I have seen the locals come out of the country side for this, and then see in another sub forum about the possibility of street gangs taking over a rural area, I really don't think and outsiders are going to get much control of any rural area.
I remember that "parade"... I never saw so many stars n bars north of the 38th. I think there was an "altercation" or two on the road that made the news as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Missouri.html
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Years ago there was a riot in Detroit. One of the paratrooper divisions got called out for riot control. Weeks after the riots ended, city officials were finding dead people in garbage bins with bayonet or knife wounds in the center of their chests where they had been run through with a knife or bayonet. Paratroopers have NOT been used for riot control ever since those days. The interesting thing is that the riots ended rather quickly, almost suddenly.
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I agree with most, if not all of the points.

having tracked the Charlotte riots they basically played out as outlined.

I was actively monitoring FLE/LE comms and can tell you for a fact they (LE) were overwhelmed from the start, and almost all comms were in the clear between various departments/units/etc., as not everyone called in had hi speed encrypted kit..

When it goes to ****, they switch to a common band/freq and the hi speed dudes keep their encrypted stuff to themselves if they need to make a hit, otherwise, all in the clear, at least here in Charlotte.

It was like watching multiple Barney Fifes running around like scared chickens...

They ****ing watched as the 'hoodrats tried to toss an unconscious reporter in to a tire bonfire...

We up here in our little Shangri-La were taking pro active measure, both offensive and defensive per Brackens "when the music stops thory."

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpre...e-in-violence/

So, my advice to folks is get a decent digi scanner, i like the home patrol II unit, set it and forget it, lets you listen into LE and other comms....cant trust what the media reports, this will give you real time info on which to act.
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In 1992 I was in LA during the Rodney King riots. My unit was giving intel to the military units on riot control. We saw things that the media didn't report. The La pd,LASO,and CHP was over whelm in minutes. This happens every time a riots happen. Plus your normal prepper may not know whats happening till after everything is already code red. Keeping your head on a swivel is a must and paying attention is a must. Having a police scanner with you is a good idea.
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A valuable thread. If possible more people experienced with these situations should add more bullet points.
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^^^to your point JC...

I would strongly encourage folks to go to local staples/office depot, buy maps of your city/community/AO.

I had mine laminated, cost some bucks, but well worth it.

i have 30k ft view down to 2mile views, all separate maps, like we did in the service.

i pinned have on the backside of my closet desk doors.

this way i can see my terrain/intersections/lines of drift.

then i go out and actually drive my AO, look at it from the perspective of 'hoodrats wanting to choke us off.

What PACE options to i have?

Where can i/we set up blocking and/or overwatch positions.

Where can we put spotters to radio back reports?

all that good stuff...

then, i'd do what i did per Forward Observer: https://forwardobserver.com/courses/...igence-course/ and do an analysis on my AO, and print out report.

this way, one has as much intel on the who what and why in the region.

realizing that nothing is perfect, and this will morph as time/event go on, it gives one a battle plan of sorts/tracking process.

I can tell it blows my neighbors away when i am able to provide real time info/options and they're just watching the local media say nothing of value...


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I've only been caught up in one protest, so I'm no expert. (Anti-Mcdonalds protest in downtown London while I was unwittingly front and center wooding down a 1/4 pounder. Doh!) However, I've made it a point to study such things.

I'd like to add:

1. Keep track of these groups on social media. The leaders will generally have their own means to communicate away from prying eyes. However, public announcements will be made to reach as many protesters as possible and to communicate the big picture (times and locations).

2. Flash mobs are more organic and viral. There may not be as much notice but if you follow some of the local hipsters on Twitter or FB you might see something on your feed.

3. Most of these movements begin with honest intentions. However, over time the often naive leadership gets pushed aside by more radical elements with different agendas (i.e. Ghandi's independence movement, Occupy Wall Street, and the Iranian students 1979 storming of the US embassy).
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A valuable thread. If possible more people experienced with these situations should add more bullet points.
All I can ADD is Avoidance...

Twitter.
Radio Scanner.

I will post of list of Parade "organizers" I follow on twitter later... Local (STL) and National. THIS is how they get the group together.

edit: Good Point Apathetic: http://www.broadcastify.com/ the site/app will even alert your phone if a certain channel becomes VERY active with listeners.
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For those with smart phones many PDs frequencies are available via app. Keep a scanner on your phone, subscribe to news alerts (even though MSM lags behind).
Having been way to close to the Sherman Park riots in Milwaukee supporting a family member the unrest starts with a slow burn and then usually it goes to hell once darkness falls. Keep abreast of planned BLM marches in your AO and any preplanned events from Anti-fa and other extremists including right wing protests as those usually bring the violent left.
Nothing happened to us but we had 3 adults and rotated watch throughout the night. Each had a long gun. Luckily nothing came through the area except for the sound of sirens and gunshots. The family member has since moved. Lesson learned if you are anywhere near the area when a Black person is shot by the cops justified or not GTFO if possible.
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Below 50 degrees there is rarely any mob action. Let's hope SHTF happens in winter.
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So, my advice to folks is get a decent digi scanner, i like the home patrol II unit, set it and forget it, lets you listen into LE and other comms....cant trust what the media reports, this will give you real time info on which to act.
Looks like a good bit of kit to have, would advise you to stock up on the SD cards, whenever it’s starts looking bad record the transmissions.

This way if something happens and you use force the recordings help show how out of control things had got and what information you had prior to acting.
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