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Is Civil War between the right and the left inevitable?

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#1 ·
Tensions seem to be mounting. If the right takes the mid-term elections, there will be violence. If the left takes the mid-term elections they will try very hard to oust Trump and that could trigger violence.

I'm a pretty peaceful guy but I have to say this. I have been pushed way to hard far too many times by far left wingers who are nothing less than completely unhinged. Pretty sure those feeling are quite widespread.

Almost 60 and never seen anything remotely like this in America.

I would not take the far left too lightly. They have a lot of matches and balaclavas. Plus dildo's are possibly flammable. Fat certainly is.
 
#36 ·
Violence would really have to escalate on the scale of 911 or the OK City bombing to turn the tide the wrong way. I just think the left does not have it in themselves to propagate an event on anything close to that scale. So they snipe on social media, the news is another convenient low-impact outlet. We have weak ANTIFA attacks, but rarely and they don't bring much teeth to the fight.

The schools drill or try to drill their agenda into the kids. The best thing any person getting out of HS could do is not to go to college, do the trade school thing. This cuts the socialistic rhetoric off at the knees.

The 2016 election has created a split in my family, not immediate family but nieces, nephews, brothers and sisters and so on. It has impacted people I used to socialize with.

So it may go smoldering for years before something significant happens. I really hope it doesn't foment into something tragic.
 
#41 ·
No civil war. Moments of civil unrests, riots, maybe some opportunities to settle old scores. However, I think it will be limited in select areas and won't amount to much beyond the new media headliner. As long as the economy is booming even during periods of slow growth people will focus on their work. As long as people have more to lose and are making a decent living then that will remain their concentration. Kids...Family..bills... cars...etc; If we get into some serious economic collapse then the gloves are off. I can't even imagine the sheer hatred running a muck. The two main sides are just irreconcilable.

Putin, you are going to have to shut this thing down to get your wish. Other than that you are just wasting your time.
 
#44 ·
There doesn't need to be a civil war for some misguided idiot to decide you look like their enemy. If the media is to be believed, wear a MAGA hat and you're marked for violence. Walk down any city street and you may be the next victim of the knockout game.


As long as the average work a day person believes in the justice system, a civil war is not going to happen. What will happen is that LE will be stretched thinner than it already is, mostly trying to keep up with existing problems/violence.


Rather than civil war, I'm more inclined to believe that people in some areas may simply loose faith in the justice systems ability to deal with lawlessness and decide they have nothing to loose by taking matter into their own hands. Other places may keep he faith and abide. So rather than a civil war we'd see a crumbling effect.


Add the polarization of politics to the existing problems and you have the makings of a real mess. Now if politicians would take bipartisanship seriously, businesses would invest in the future of their community and the media would shut it's pie hole and quit fanning the flames of dissent, we just might get to that better place and find we have more in common than not.
 
#45 ·
The other potential risk is competent terrorism. There have been many terrorists and murderers in the world but rarely you come across one who is competent and motivated. People like the perpetrator of the Bath School Massacre. Or like the OKC Bombing. Really the biggest risk I see is some intelligent, competent, motivated leftist creating a serious explosive and deploying it to kill.
 
#46 ·
Most of you are underestimating the establishment which consists of politicians, businessmen, and elites from both sides. When things get close to threatening what's in their self interests, they'll open the taps just long enough to provide the masses with enough to fill their bellies. When people are satisfied and content, they'll tolerate just about anything and are a far less willing to risk losing what they have (let alone their lives) to benefit others.
 
#53 ·
most of you are underestimating the establishment which consists of politicians, businessmen, and elites from both sides. When things get close to threatening what's in their self interests, they'll open the taps just long enough to provide the masses with enough to fill their bellies. When people are satisfied and content, they'll tolerate just about anything and are a far less willing to risk losing what they have (let alone their lives) to benefit others.
people who fail to study history , never ever realize nothing last forever and change means blood whether one likes it or not. Jmho
 
#49 ·
Interesting opinions.

When people resort to a civil war it will be when they are scared, hungry, and poor. They must be made to feel they have something to gain and nothing to lose. The Soros funded groups were on track pushing us in that direction during the Obama Presidency and would no doubt have doubled down if Clinton won. So in a way I believe the Trump Presidency bought us some time since he turned the economic clock back from the Globalist's agenda.

I do feel it is coming, probably when the Dems regain control of the Congress and Presidency and then try to disarm American Patriots. With all of the anti gun rhetoric and demonizing of the gun owners it is inevitable. It is also what the Globalists know has to happen before they can subjugate us. And Soros' time on earth is running out.

A Civil War II will burn itself out after a while, because of where the left's base is the cities, and the right's base is rural areas, you know where the food is grown. If the right wants to shut down agricultural products moving into the cities, it can happen very easily.

Make no mistake, the leftists wanting this war are being whipped up and funded by Soros and his globalist ilk, and when they can they will push hard for it.

The flaw in the left's thinking is they are already alienating the LEO's of this country, and who is actually joining the military? It sure isn't the pink hat or BLM people.

And I am going to say the Left has already started the civil war, there have been shootings and attacks, last year's attack on the Republican Congressman's ball team was one. I don't buy for an instant anything the press and investigators are saying about Las Vegas, those victims were exactly the type of people that the left would think are on the right.

The so called media has been taken over by the left and they spew anti right/ anti patriot propaganda constantly, if it makes the left look bad it doesn't get reported.

The left has been infiltrating the education system for the last 4 generations for the sole purpose of indoctrinating our kids.

They HAVE started the war, we are just becoming aware of it, and the right, other than having a few rallies that are attacked by leftist counter protesters (most likely funded) are still not fully aware of it, since we are still working and providing for our families. But the internet censorship, demonizing of the right by the media and left, and violence toward anyone on the right is showing me clearly where this is going.

I say fine, bring it, lets get this rodeo started. I know where the left's food comes from and the path it has to travel to get there, if you think the shelves clear out quickly when a storm comes, this storm will be massive.
 
#50 ·
Nothing is inevitable, and nothing is impossible. Although I do think there is a non-zero chance of civil war, I think we are a long way from that.

One problem, I think, is that it is the left that wants to secede and they are too scared to do without big daddy big government to take care of them.

But we're not yet even to 1968 levels. Not far from it, but not there yet.
 
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#56 ·
Doubt it gets much worse.

Leftist men all over the world are realizing the friend zone sucks butt and are re-thinking their strategy to get the nookie. Nobody wants to die before they get laid.

I get it, I too joined the drama club for a bit and even participated in a school play to get that booty. My role was the cheshire cat in Alice in Wonderland and I probably gave one of the worst performances in history.
 
#146 ·
What am I ...

I believe in the constitution as written minus the income tax and federal reserve bull****

I believe in strong fiscal responsibility by our government and balanced budgets

I believe term limits should be enacted

I am a believer in Christ as my lord and savior

I do not believe ******** should be legal except in instances of mother possibly dying incest or rape and then it’s theit choice I’m still against it

I believe in the second and first amendments very strongly and would give my life defending them from eradication

Yet ... I believe if someone wants to smoke pot have at it .. I don’t do the **** but as long as you don’t hurt anyone I don’t care

If someone wants to be gay and have a partner of same sex I don’t give two ****s as long as they don’t make me have to bow down to them in some fashion

If a person wants to cut their **** off and become a “woman” great just don’t let me catch them going in a women’s room my daughter is in

I believe antifa ... bamn ... and many college professors and staff is at this point are clear and present danger to the United States and should be handled... sooner rather than later

I could go on but I think I just proved you can be somewhat socially liberal and extremely fiscally conservative yet be a 100 percent constitution love flag waving American ready to destroy any **** twits thatbtry to take our constitutional republic away
 
#59 ·
What's a "Lord of the flies libertarian"? I remember the book but not enough to understand the phrase. Libertarian s believe in individual Liberty and individual responsibility for ones actions (at least they should if they claim to be). That's not at odds with traditional conservativism. It is at odds with those who say they are conservative but then try to strip Liberty from those who have different point of views.


Chris
 
#68 ·
Libertarians wouldn't be against Christianity. Individual Liberty is the freedom to choose whatever religion you wish. Individual Liberty and true freedom would require the legalization of drugs. Individual responsibility for ones actions means that society doesn't pick up the tab for your decisions. Drug users can't expect me or you to provide for them or keep them alive. It's their decision and their consequences alone. NAMBLA represents those who seek to violate the rights of underage individuals and take advantage of those that are not mature nor capable of giving consent. This is a crime, is a violation of natural rights and is not representative of individual Liberty.


Chris
 
#61 ·
I am far from sure we are safe from a civil war. However:

- I just finished Alas, Babylon, one of the first "prepper novels" written in 1954 (a good read, btw). The author postulated essentially the same thing: that their society had grown so decrepit that a collapse was inevitable. That was 64 years ago.
- Reading Enlightenment, Now (not recommended for this audience), it is plain that things have never been better. We have unbelievable wealth, comfort, safety and the best prospects ever, in the history of man. The only problems are problems that we are self-generating. At the same time, we are self-generating a LOT of trouble. Today, my homeless friends live better, in most categories, than my parents growing up (and my dad was a fireman.) They have better health care, better food, better clothing, better entertainment, better transportation, more information... the only thing they don't have is better housing (but most of them end up in government housing that isn't much worse than our middle class housing.)

My point: a civil war would have to overcome all that prosperity to sincerely convince Americans that they should be unhappy enough to risk being shot. That's a tall order. Something disastrous would probably have to happen to our economy first.
 
#62 ·
i am far from sure we are safe from a civil war. However:

- i just finished alas, babylon, one of the first "prepper novels" written in 1954 (a good read, btw). The author postulated essentially the same thing: That their society had grown so decrepit that a collapse was inevitable. That was 64 years ago.
- reading enlightenment, now (not recommended for this audience), it is plain that things have never been better. We have unbelievable wealth, comfort, safety and the best prospects ever, in the history of man. The only problems are problems that we are self-generating. At the same time, we are self-generating a lot of trouble. Today, my homeless friends live better, in most categories, than my parents growing up (and my dad was a fireman.) they have better health care, better food, better clothing, better entertainment, better transportation, more information... The only thing they don't have is better housing (but most of them end up in government housing that isn't much worse than our middle class housing.)

my point: A civil war would have to overcome all that prosperity to sincerely convince americans that they should be unhappy enough to risk being shot. That's a tall order. Something disastrous would probably have to happen to our economy first.
it will not matter if it is man made , mother nature or an act of god. Once the grid goes down and or the trucks stop rolling civilization only has 4 -21 days left depending on where one lives. Jmho
 
#63 ·
Just got to thinking that a strong moderate might be able to lower the tensions. Trump is fun and I agree with most of his platform. But he clearly has not been a force for lowering tensions. Though I personally believe that the left shoulders the vast majority of the responsibility for the division.

The right didn't like Obama but we simply shut up and went back to work. Imagine if the right behaved like the spoiled, infantile brats of the left.

If the left gains a majority which is entirely possible based on voting trends in history, they will ramp up their efforts to oust the Trump. Which is super stupid considering that our VP is far more conservative than Trump. Some are them are really stupid enough to think Hillary will replace Trump.

It really is Trump Derangement Syndrome and I'm not sure what causes it.
 
#69 ·
www.dailywire.com/news/34250/professor-accused-assaulting-trump-supporter-bike-hank-berrien

I think a lot of people have misconceptions about how this will play out, at least initially. The courts are on the leftists side. That isn't going to change. The right political beliefs give you privilege. The narritave is the only thing that matters. Everyone talks about how LEO, military, fire and all will flock to our side. And I agree, they are our type of people, in many cases members on this forum. But the initial confrontations will them be responding to "armed civil disobedience " by fringe groups. Politicians and elected officials will be directing the martial powers at least at first. Something a lot of people overlook.
 
#70 ·
...I think a lot of people have misconceptions about how this will play out, at least initially. The courts are on the leftists side. That isn't going to change. ...
Except that it IS changing, right now. Trump is setting records for confirming record numbers of Federal judges.

He's able to do it because Democrat Harry Reid removed the filibuster option, and the Repubs are finally fighting the Dems on their own terms. And by "their own terms" I mean fighting dirty.

And soon the Supreme Court will be packed with an insurmountable number of judges who decide cases based on law and the Constitution, rather than on emotion and social justice.

We are winning.

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#71 ·
As outsider observator. Civil war in USA? Current political situation in USA it's not even close to politically hot '60s, with thousands National Guard deployed on streets biggest american cities like LA, Chicago, Detroit or Washington DC to deal with violent strikes and riots, killing politicians and activists of all factions and tens of thousands of corpses returning from an unpopular war mixed with the risk of a nuclear war with another superpower ond daily basis.


Except media all the time reporting even the smallest incidents on both sides, there is nothing what could lead people on barricades, nobody to lead rebelion and organize enough people to make "civil war" real or something what state or federal law enforcement agencies could't crush in the bud.
 
#78 ·
I wrote this in response to an article about cultural and civil war on the American Thinker website. I also think if we don't resolve the cultural war it will turn into a civil war.
I truly believe we are in a cultural war or at the very least a cultural divide that cannot be closed. I have said much of this before and since things are getting worse, I believe it is worth repeating. As we progress towards the next election, the divide only grows. Watch the nightly MSM news. According to them we are Nazis, fascists, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, white supremacists, misogynists, and murderers. According to them, we rip children from their parent’s arms. We preach Border Security is anti-illegal-immigrant. They preach it as hate filled anti-immigrant. They will never use the word illegal. We and the NRA want dead children. Tax reform is crumbs and was designed to benefit the evil rich, at the expense of the poor. Health care reform will kill millions of Americans. Education reform is intended to suppress people of color. Christianity is hatred toward women and gays. Opposition to climate change is science denial. The left today has lost respect for democratic institutions. If they were ever to find themselves in control of government, they would find a way to never let go of that power. This is a cultural divide issue. The American people haven’t been so divided since the Civil War – and many people believe something of a new civil war is underway in their once-unified nation. It is far larger than many people want to admit. The left in America sees America as essentially a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, war-mongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation. The left seeks to erase America’s Judeo-Christian foundations. The left suppresses free speech, whenever and wherever possible. For those who oppose the left, their speech is labeled “hate speech. The left now attacks anyone they disagree with and the attacks are escalating and are now accompanied with physical violence. Topics like the Second Amendment, religion, education, political differences and culture are all targets of the left. The regional differences are growing larger too. The northeast liberal elitists sneer at the every other part of America. The South and its history and culture are reviled constantly. Red state’s view of America vs blue state's view of America. Pro-********ist constantly fight with the morality of the anti-********. Those who want the border locked down conflict with those who demand amnesty for the illegals. Schools teach politically correct curriculum and lessen or completely eliminate some of America's greatest history. Children grow up without any pride in our government or way of life and parents who home school to instill those values are ridiculed. There is a war on Christianity. The LBGT? (The alphabet people) Agenda demands acceptance and celebration of that lifestyle by those who find it disgusting, wrong and abhorrent. Atheists, gays and moslems take Christians to court for every perceived slight. Pro union versus right to work. The makers are slowly being overwhelmed by the takers. Those who think the country is going broke constantly argue with those who say deficits and debt don’t matter. There is a black and white war in the inner cities. Police and other law enforcement agencies are belittled and attacked by citizens and the city and state leadership. Secessionists and preppers see the country losing its way. And so the divide grows. I believe in America. I want my freedoms, all of my freedoms, and I do not want to trade any of them for the apparent safety of a cradle to grave government. Unity was once possible between the Right and liberals, but not now, not between the Right and anyone on the Left. We are polarized. It has spawned two sides with beliefs that are so divergent that they cannot coexist. We’re becoming two (or more) distinct nations with competing visions for what the country should be. Two or more visions that are diametrically opposed. Now we can’t even agree on what the vision should be. The left seeks to destroy any American values held in common, to remove the moral compass that has guided our county for decades. How can there be unity between the different factions? Obviously, there cannot. We used to be a nation of many nations that was held together, because there was common ground on what it meant to be an American. That common ground and understanding may be gone. There are two sides with almost nothing left in common. Sure, we live in proximity to each other. But one side defends the Constitution and the other side will stop at nothing to replace it. Just because we don't support the liberal, left wing anti-God, amoral agenda does not make us "ignorant, racists, bigots, homophobes, hillbillies, uneducated, haters, in-bred, or morons". We think for ourselves, honor God, love our country, and have a moral compass. They don’t. So the moment that is fast approaching, another civil war, might be impossible to avoid. A war is coming over the Constitution between those who respect it and will defend it and those who find it an impediment to establishing a cradle to grave form of controlling government that only grants whatever rights it deems appropriate for its citizens.
 
#79 ·
If this kind of political and social tension was happening a hundred years ago or so, then yes, I believe a shooting war would have broke out.
But not today. We are different people now. More feminized, soft, materialistic, and apathetic. As long as he has a job, beer in the fridge, and a football game on TV, Joe Sixpack isn't going to risk his material comforts and possessions, and especially his life and limb, actually fighting for any cause.
I remember decades ago when some judge ordered that the white kids in my neighborhood be bused across town to attend dangerous, dysfunctional black schools. Everybody in the neighborhood bitched to high heaven, but in the end, sent their kids to the ghetto.
I remember thinking at the time that if they'll take this, they'll take anything. Absolutely nothing will be off the table in the future. And as the years roll by, I'm seeing my prediction was accurate.
Today's white man is a different creature from those in 1776. Also, we're all rather dependent on the government for things like Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, VA Benefits, and a hundred other programs. Nobody wants to upset that apple cart!
It's nice that we have all these AR-15's and such. If we're ever invaded by paper silhouette targets, we'll certainly give 'em hell! :thumb:
 
#81 ·
As has already been mentioned, we are already in a state of civil war, with the liberal cult on one side and loyal Americans on the other. The war is mostly cold and it is being fought with political and psychological weapons instead of bullets and bombs, but it is no less a real war because of that, and the consequences of loyal Americans losing that war are no less severe.

There is a real difference between legitimate politics and political war, and the liberal cult is very far onto the political war side of any realistic distinction between the two. America was set up so that political differences could be settled peacefully, and mechanisms were created for that to happen. Certain things were set up as non-negotiable, such as our Constitutional rights. What the liberal cult is doing is far outside of those legitimate, peaceful mechanisms, and it is destroying the things that were made to be non-negotiable.

The most destructive strategy of political war the liberal cult is using is its importation of huge masses of ignorant fools from the third world that are known to vote liberal (meaning socialist) generation after generation. This strategy began in 1965 when a group of traitors led by Ted Kennedy changed our immigration policy, and since then it has overwhelmed our election system, often determining the outcome of elections. It is the reason for America's shift to the far left. Liberals openly brag about the "changing demographics" that are turning the white man into a minority in his own country and ushering in a new political and cultural order. But they don't talk about why; they just pretend it is simply some natural and inevitable process, instead of the deliberate act of political and cultural war it is. For more information, this strategy of polwar is explained in some detail in Ann Coulter's book Adios America.

The liberal press is a massive propaganda machine disguised as news and entertainment, with propaganda and big lie campaigns used as weapons of psychological and political war. All liberal media are just one big commercial, systematically and ruthlessly selling liberalism and liberal political operatives. Massive internet entities like Google and Facebook are purged of patriot thought by the traitors who control them. Our American system was designed to rely on a free press to provide information and a free exchange of ideas that voters can use to make their decisions. When that information is deliberately corrupted and turned into a weapon of war, our political machinery does not work as intended: when votes are based on information that has been corrupted, the result is a corrupt government. This is one of the most powerful weapons of war ever brought to bear against this nation. And it has had a massive effect.

Obviously it is not all-powerful though, or Donald Trump would not have been elected president. But the machine has stepped up its efforts after his election, getting masses of cattle worked up into a frenzy and poised to stampede over the Republic, as they did in 2008 and 2012. This massive upsurge in propaganda and hate campaigns might indeed have the desired effect. Or it might be the proverbial bridge too far, causing many previously ignorant voters to wake up to the true nature of the liberal press. I guess we'll find out in November. But one thing we know for certain: the the extent the liberal press is successful, America loses.

Indoctrination of our young in the government schools is another weapon of political war. Groups like Antifa, anti-free speech riots on campuses, and fools like David Hogg are indications of how effective this indoctrination has been. And they show us just how destructive it will be if it continues.

Abuses of power by the deep state, reported by real news media like Fox but covered up by the liberal press, are strategies of political war. The fact that all Obama operatives have not been removed from these positions, and the AG just stands by and lets a massive witch hunt go on while real criminals like the Obama team are not brought to justice, suggests to me that the deep state is dug in deeper and has much more power than we are led to believe. This weapon of political war has a potential to be very destructive, especially when coordinated with the other weapons I mentioned.

There are other such weapons also being deployed, but these are the main ones.

The question is, will the cold war turn hot, or will America simply fade out of existence and slowly but surely become a socialist dictatorship due to the victory of liberalism. The coming mid term elections will have a big effect on this. If enough Americans have woke up to what the liberal cult is doing and there is a red wave there is likely to be violence from the liberal cult, but I doubt it will turn into a full-fledged shooting war, though things like that might break out in a few places. It seems more likely that the enemy will resort to terrorist tactics like the Weathermen of the '60s, and since the liberal and Islamic cults are allied by their mutual war on America, we might see an upsurge in jihadi terrorism coordinated with it.

These terrorists will be aided and abetted by political operatives in Congress and the deep state. The notoriously gutless Republicans will do little about it. But the same government that will claim to be impotent at stopping the terrorist acts will be anything but impotent at stopping the militia from stopping them. And that government will use the terrorist acts as an excuse to expand its power and make America less free, and that will be a victory for the liberal cult. This is a very likely outcome, because there are very few loyal Americans in Congress, thanks to the effectiveness of the other weapons of political war I mentioned. And once certain freedoms are lost, getting them back is unlikely.

If the liberal cult manages to bring a blue wave, using the polwar weapons I described, it will make sure that the liberal war on America continues, and grows, until the victory of liberalism over America is complete. In that case loyal Americans should organize and take up arms; since the liberal victory will not have been a legitimate one, removing what is in effect a criminal gang from power will be the duty of the patriot, ultimately bringing all traitors to justice, and restoring the Republic. But I doubt they will. Even with all we are seeing, I don't see any attempt at large scale organization. But who knows. With social media being what it is, things could shape up quickly. Anything is possible, and there are a great many patriots who are getting fed up with the war being waged against their country by traitors. If this does happen in a big way, the war will not be over until either the last American patriot is dead, or the entire leadership of the liberal cult is hanging from gallows (after they have had due process). And my money is on the latter.

A massive internal enemy dug in deep and holding powerful positions is very dangerous. The liberal cult has proven over and over that it will take the side of any enemy America has, giving that enemy whatever aid and comfort it can. So it is likely that one or more foreign governments will assist that internal enemy. Mexico, Cuba, China, who knows; maybe all of them, fighting for a new world order and one world government. Western Europe, Canada, and Australia are much more dominated by the liberal cult than America is, so whose side do you think they would take? And the Islamic cult, which has over a billion people, has a massive army of assassins already dug in among us. The liberal cult would rather be ruled by any of these than live in peace with loyal Americans, and can be counted on to assist a foreign enemy in any way it can.

What role the military will play is in question. My opinion is most members of the military are serving as patriots, and would side with loyal Americans. But it stands to reason that at least some are there purely as mercenaries, serving for personal gain instead of loyalty to their country. Many of those can be counted on to take the side of the enemy if it looks like the enemy might win. Add to that the liberal indoctrination forced on the military, and who knows how the sides would play out. But those in the military should be thinking about these things, and talking to each other about it. Because a time might very well come when a line is drawn and every one of them has to stand on one side of it or the other.

A situation could develop where the military just more or less cancels itself out of the civil war, maybe occupying itself with defending America from a foreign enemy, and leaving the internal conflict to the militia.

This is all speculation of course. There are all kinds of possibilities. But what we know for sure is that liberals and loyal Americans have no common ground; the two camps are miles apart, and neither side is willing to give an inch. Liberals are absolutely dedicated to the destruction of the American Republic and patriots are just as dedicated to its preservation. Liberals are on a crusade to take more ground; patriots are absolutely dedicated to stopping them from doing that, and want to take back ground that has been illegally taken. There is no way these two sides can reconcile their differences, because the differences are just too extreme. And I don't see anything coming along that might lead to a peaceful resolution of this conflict.
 
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