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Caseyboy 02-15-2017 07:26 AM

Is A Civil War Brewing in America? **Official Merge Thread**
 
I donít know about the rest of you but Iím having a difficult time understanding, or dealing with an acceptance of what has been happening in the American population at large.

First of all, President Trump has not come close to issuing Executive Orders that are unconstitutional, dangerous to the Republic and most of all, illegal. Every time Obama opened his mouth it was a lie, or he gave away huge amounts of our money from our National Treasury, or he was fanning racial strife and dissension all over the country or encouraging it. Not only that but he was aiding and abetting our mortal enemies and everybody on the left seems to think that was okay. Now, you have a man who has Americaís interest at heart and heís being defied every time he turns around.

His family is being attacked, heís being attacked personally, his nominees for his cabinet are being maligned, and I donít know about you but Iím wondering just where is this going? Are we on the verge of a Civil War?

Youíve got cities in the United States of America that are blatantly not upholding the laws of the land by sheltering criminals, and every time I turn around Iím hearing someone else say,Ē this is not my President.Ē If he isnít our President who is?

Iíll make a prediction here; if these people continue to block a legally elected POTUS, and they continue to riot, destroy public and private property, and make every effort to bring our country down to its knees, something is going to happen. They seem to be okay with keeping and gleefully accepting and allowing our avowed enemies from coming into our country unchecked, Iím guessing when I say, they better remember something very important, America belongs to the people. Every politician, Judge, elected official, and those unelected bureaucrats that work for various government agencies, and a lot more people, are working for the American people.

Everything belongs to the American people. So, what these people are doing, as they go about disrupting, blocking, and destroying the very fabric of what America is, we the people are not going to stand for this much longer. Put it in perspective, there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million people who are armed and when I say armed Iím saying armed to the teeth. Many are combat trained veterans. If these people truly want to see Americans going to war against other Americans, theyíre going to get their wish and I donít think they're going to like what theyíre going to get.

It isnít going to take too much more to light the fuse to an explosive powder keg that is going to blow up in the left's face, and when the streets run with their blood theyíre going to beg us to stop killing them. However, once it starts it will not end quickly and it will not end graciously. It will end, and the left will be decimated when itís over with. That is what is coming and what is truly sad, the left has no idea just how bad it can and will get. They don't seem to understand people on the right know who they are and where they live.

This is just my opinion, but Iím an old guy after all and I can reach back to the 40's and up through the present and remember what America used to be like. The America Iím seeing today is nothing like the country I was born in. It is changed alright and it is so radical, I can hardly believe what Iím seeing. It is akin to a terrible foretelling novel of the worst things that could possibly happen to a country and yet, it isnít a fictional tale, it is reality and that reality is tearing the country apart. It needs to end, and America needs to get back on track to greatness and to freedom. America needs to be brought back to its owners, the American people. The people need to step in and make the corrections that will stop the internal destruction of America and it needs to stop now or there will be no America and that will happen very sudden like. Ask anyone who has experienced combat and ask them if they are ready for the stage that is being set for what is coming to get a realistic answer to that question.

Caseyboy

woodzman 02-15-2017 07:31 AM

Sounds like you answered your own question.

Doesn't look good.

*they may merge your thread with a similar one running now.

Bearack 02-15-2017 07:56 AM

One, of many, reasons I did not like Obama was for the fact he was attempting govern by executive fiat. President Trump is doing exactly the same, but to you point, within the confines of the constitution.... for now.

A government that attempts to run outside of the attended structure of the founders scares the bajesus out of me.

We are in for some interesting times.

ActionJackson 02-15-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearack (Post 13590609)
One, of many, reasons I did not like Obama was for the fact he was attempting govern by executive fiat. President Trump is doing exactly the same, but to you point, within the confines of the constitution.... for now.

A government that attempts to run outside of the attended structure of the founders scares the bajesus out of me.

We are in for some interesting times.

Actually, from what I can tell, Trump is simply trying to undo the Kenyan's un-Constitutional executive orders while going the opposite direction in attempting to defend and uphold the Constitution.

But to the OP's question: I am in the process of buying a lot more ammo. I had become somewhat lax in my "prepping" over the past few years but I feel that something really bad is in the air. I always knew that there was a bad element of liberalism intertwined within our society but only now can I see just how entrenched it really is.

As a freedom lover and a believer/defender of the Constitution (as it was intended by the Founders) I feel that a civil war is already in full swing. So far, the violence has only been exhibited by the far-left, Soros-funded, radical Communists. However, they have the full backing of the Demwit Party & the far-left MSM and it only seems to be escalating. I think the wise thing to do is prepare for the worst. Hope I'm wrong but Communism is literally knocking on our front door.

Our founders fought against tyranny and were willing to put their lives on the line. The least we can do is follow in their footsteps.

MattB4 02-15-2017 08:24 AM

Your previous identical Thread was merged with a ongoing Thread.

gungatim 02-15-2017 08:30 AM

civil terrorism maybe, but civil war, no.

Civil war implies there is a separatist movement complete with a planned government and economy, and/or forcibly taking over the current government.

I honestly don't see that happening.

there may be random or possibly some minor coordinated acts of internal terrorism, and there certainly is a huge effort to reduce the effectiveness of the current presidency, but I don't think the kooks behind this have a REAL, workable, fully funded long-term plan.

there is a point where it will get old and stall out, money will dry up or be diverted elsewhere. these snowflakes will get pregnant, married, get jobs, overdose, whatever. life will go on and the futility will become evident to enough of them that it peters out to a more normal level of leftist insanity...

but if not, stay prepped my friends...

Jojo 02-15-2017 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Caseyboy (Post 13590409)
every time I turn around Iím hearing someone else say,Ē this is not my President.Ē

That's funny you've been here for 8 years and didn't seem to mind the phrase "not my President" before now.

Bearack 02-15-2017 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ActionJackson (Post 13590737)
Actually, from what I can tell, Trump is simply trying to undo the Kenyan's un-Constitutional executive orders while going the opposite direction in attempting to defend and uphold the Constitution.

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This is true, but as many that have been signed and with the fervor behind these, are we shooting our own foots to spite our face?

Example being, his executive order for every new regulation, 2 must be eliminated. To which I 100% agree we've been over regulated for some time and as discussed in previous post, regulations by the state with some federal guidance is more appropriate, but at where is that proverbial red line when our cities have that brown skyline or we regress 40 years of allowing companies to mismanage the waist?

Many of these executive orders I honestly don't feel there have been a whole lot of thought behind them. Granted, government needs to be reduced 10 fold but I'm worried about what power we are giving to rid that of the past.

DadeMurphy 02-15-2017 09:00 AM

Nope, no national civil war.

People have jobs, kids, houses... on a day-to-day basis the majority of Americans have it extremely good no matter who is in the white house.

What one person sees as disruptive is what another sees as free speech. One person sees executive orders as just while others see it was socialism. Just the way it is, because both have a point.

JBryan314 02-15-2017 09:02 AM

Trump isn't the real target, let me just say that first. By attacking Trump's administration, the attackers are attempting to harm us. They're attempting to attack about 40% of the US population. We are the target, he's sort of the red bullseye in the middle. But it's all the same target.

Now beyond that, my thoughts:

Look at some of the more populated countries in the world that also have a larger land size compared to most. China, India, Brazil, Russia, etc. How many REALLY distinct cultures do they have in their countries? Maybe a few each? Generally speaking, a Russian who lives in Moscow isn't THAT different from one who lives in Vladivostok. Someone who lives in Shanghai isn't THAT different from someone who lives in Beijing.

Now think about the US. We have a large population and a large land size as well. But how many really distinct cultures do we have here? First of all, tons of immigrants, yes. But even when you look at the typical, white American who's ancestors have been here a long time, you still get vastly different cultural outlooks.

Take a 32 year old guy from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, a 23 year old woman from NYC, a 55 year old woman from Sierra Vista, Arizona and a 48 year old man from Seattle.

Odds are, these people aren't going to be on the same page with almost anything.

Water rights. Taxes. The Constitution. History books. Education. Average diet. Parenting. The role of the police. None of them will share the same slang, accent, they won't have the same understanding of law and order. Hell, list the jobs they do and chances are one or two of them won't even know that the others' jobs were even a thing at all. I read a little quote that said that decades ago, a high level tenured university professor might make a disparaging comment about the garbage man, but now, those professors don't even know that the garbage man exists anymore, figuratively speaking.

We have by far the largest mix of ingrained cultures in the entire world, BEFORE you even take into consideration the influx of immigrants (legal and illegal) we've taken in since 1980. Add that in, and their varying levels of assimilation, and you have a massive mix of cultures. A mix that large is not always going to be peaceful.

Cultural diversity in large enough numbers, added with ever increasing levels of forced proximity, added with the fact that most of those cultures don't want to be forced into proximity, added with the fact that some cultures are given preference and privilege over others, added with the act that ALL of those cultures tend to believe that they are on the losing end of those privileges... Equals friction. The friction is increasing and fuel is being added.

Eventually the fire will start, and sprinkler system (the police) is not equipped or able to put out the fires.

Take a look at what happened to Yugoslavia in the 80's and 90's. I believe it was about 1991 when the fighting really started. I think we are at 1989 or 1990 right now.

Yugoslavia was a fairly small country, but it was populated by many different cultures that were like oil and water toward each other. I think we are at that point. We talk about being united, but short of some kind of global war, there is nothing that can unite people who have such different philosophies, and those philosophies require eliminating the other philosophies.

How do you unite on gun control, when the anti-gunners are seen as totally dishonest in their goals and the pro-gunners are seen as wannabe mass murderers?

How do you unite on economy when one side is seen as a bunch of robbers and the other side is seen as a bunch of thieves?

How do you unite on electing the one person who will lead all 330 million people, when both candidates are seen by 40%+ of the population as someone who wants to put them all in concentration camps or kill them? I mean, no matter who won the election, at least 100 MILLION people were going to view them as some version of Hitler or Stalin.

We are so culturally, politically and philosophically polarized in America that I don't see a future absent of some type of Balkanization events.

juskom95 02-15-2017 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadeMurphy (Post 13591273)
Nope, no national civil war.

People have jobs, kids, houses... on a day-to-day basis the majority of Americans have it extremely good no matter who is in the white house.

When "Average Joe" starts to lose those things or is at real threat, perceptions change.

Quote:

What one person sees as disruptive is what another sees as free speech.
Bull****.
Only someone being deliberately obtuse or willfully ignorant sees violence against people or destruction of property as free speech.

Bearack 02-15-2017 09:20 AM

Okay, I was just lambasted by one of my liberal buds about the Hillary email scandal about the right spent millions of tax payers dollars crucifying her and now he's equating the Flynn situation to hers. I merely found some post from him blindly defending Hillary on the email scandal and merely posted "Hypocrite much?".

I then posted how I always thought the email scandal was nothing more than a non-sequitur but to even consider these 2 situations even remotely similar is beyond grasping at straws.

His rebuttal was a laden filled tirade about how the right is going to destroy the country and everyone is going to die... Maybe there is something to this whole civil war thang.

Pitbull_Dallas 02-15-2017 09:28 AM

Actually, I think you could probably say we are in the middle of a civil was as we speak. It's just that it's currently not at the classical level that most people envision when thinking about a civil war. Will it escalate to the classic level? Who knows, but I do expect an escalation of some kind. To what level I can't predict..

MickeyCJS 02-15-2017 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JBryan314 (Post 13591305)
...

We are so culturally, politically and philosophically polarized in America that I don't see a future absent of some type of Balkanization events.

I shortened the quoted post because...well it's long.

But I agree with every word, and I wanted to ask if I could share it with my mom and uncle.

As for the poster who commented about people having jobs, being too busy to fight a war etc...I'm fairly sure life was disrupted for the Average Joe during every single confrontation that's ever taken place throughout human history. One day you were milking a cow and harvesting your wheat, the next day a troupe of recruiters on horseback come along and say "Hey, your country needs you and all your male children and relatives." Boom. Normalcy gone. It's go-time.

juskom95 02-15-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull_Dallas (Post 13591593)
Actually, I think you could probably say we are in the middle of a civil was as we speak. It's just that it's currently not at the classic level that most people envision when thinking about a civil war. Will it escalate to the classic level? Who knows, but I do expect an escalation of some kind. To what level I can't predict..

It makes one think about what the "Average Joe" thought in the lead up to the Civil War.

I don't mean the Politicians, or the "Movers & Shakers" but the average citizen, how they perceived things? Most are generally consumed with their 'real' lives, family concerns etc.

Kalashnikov47 02-15-2017 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juskom95 (Post 13591457)
When "Average Joe" starts to lose those things or is at real threat, perceptions change.


Bull****.
Only someone being deliberately obtuse or willfully ignorant sees violence against people or destruction of property as free speech.

Yup, its one thing to have a PEACEFUL demonstration but something else entirely when violence, destruction of property and blocking public access...

Kalashnikov47 02-15-2017 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juskom95 (Post 13591633)
It makes one think about what the "Average Joe" thought in the lead up to the Civil War.

I don't mean the Politicians, or the "Movers & Shakers" but the average citizen, how they perceived things? Most are generally consumed with their 'real' lives, family concerns etc.

Looking at history during the time of the civil war, there were those that simply wanted to stay out of it and carry on with their normal lives, however, REALITY soon slapped them in face when they were dragged into it by one side or the other when their property was invaded by either carpetbaggers, the military or both...

This is why I've always said people need to choose a side because no one will be able to remain neutral...

Pitbull_Dallas 02-15-2017 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juskom95 (Post 13591633)
It makes one think about what the "Average Joe" thought in the lead up to the Civil War.

I don't mean the Politicians, or the "Movers & Shakers" but the average citizen, how they perceived things? Most are generally consumed with their 'real' lives, family concerns etc.

As I wrote my post I was thinking of similarities between now and those just prior to the original civil war. The ones that came to mind were, cultural differences, economics and an over reaching government (perceived or real). Those three things existed then and they certainly exist now. We'll have to wait and see if, with the election of Trump, those things improve, but what I see at the moment is not too encouraging..

juskom95 02-15-2017 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalashnikov47 (Post 13591689)
Looking at history during the time of the civil war, there were those that simply wanted to stay out of it and carry on with their normal lives, however, REALITY soon slapped them in face when they were dragged into it by one side or the other when their property was invaded by either carpetbaggers, the military or both...

This is why I've always said people need to choose a side because no one will be able to remain neutral...

Hell, I'm honest about wanting to simply stay out of it, but that won't be reality if something like this actually happens.

I'll be the BBEG to the Leftists because of my gender and skin, so . . . ****!

JBryan314 02-15-2017 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadeMurphy (Post 13591273)
Nope, no national civil war.

People have jobs, kids, houses... on a day-to-day basis the majority of Americans have it extremely good no matter who is in the white house.

What one person sees as disruptive is what another sees as free speech. One person sees executive orders as just while others see it was socialism. Just the way it is, because both have a point.

I'm glad that the people around you have things "extremely good", but my parents are being gouged by the IRS thanks to higher taxes, my sister has no health insurance because 0bastardcare is now more expensive than the fines for not having insurance, my own private insurance is $1,200 per month and the copays and deductibles are so high I can barely afford to use it at all, and my other sister is also being gouged by the IRS. For eight years people like me have been insulted, maligned, demonized and marginalized by the person who is supposed to be representing us to the world, and the only thing keeping me from being beaten down for my political beliefs in the streets of the 50 largest cities in the UNITED STATES is the fact that I have chosen not to go there.

I am angry enough to take part in a civil war instead of standing idly by, just not angry enough to fire the first shot. I feel like there might be some who feel the same way.


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