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ForestBeekeeper 12-31-2011 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by zbounce (Post 3602042)
Cold Steel has several canes designed for combat situations

Nearly all canes are 'designed' for fighting.

Runeback 01-02-2012 03:44 PM

Have to go with the Shillelagh as a cane. Most canes are too thin and light to cause any real damage. There are entire Irish stick fighting systems based on this weapon and was the weapon of choice for the Irish up until firearms. The head/handle of the cane is a large heavy knob of wood. Some of the ones I have made I have swung as hard as I can against the concrete and they stand up. I guarantee one shot to the temple, neck, sternum, collar bone, knee with one and that guy is going down. Because of the way they are help they give an advantage of speed over a bat and have the weight that a normal cane does not.

Jeffrey 01-03-2012 01:35 PM

Then I guess a shepherd never succesfully fended off wolves with a stick? OP you assume too much. Go ask any professional martial arts instructor if a stick is a viable weapon.

al-literate 03-22-2012 12:28 PM

I gotta say, people that paint with such broad strokes make me nervous. Cops can get compliance by using their sticks, most don't because of the the eternal fear of lawsuits. Take a minute an talk with one or two. Here they had their mag lights taken away, because one used it to get "compliance".
I had a job that required me to get compliance from more than one dumb a**, I found a three cell mag did the job. The only problem I had was getting it cleaned up after I clocked the clowns.
You are also assuming that the attacker has some real training, most every time I had to deal with a situation like that, the attacker thought that watching Bruce Lee made him trained. NOT SO.
Training is where it is at. Even a gun can be taken away, if you don't know what you are doing. Having a weapon does not make you the all powerful master of the situation. You must be trained, and you must be willing to use it.

surfcast 03-27-2012 06:03 AM

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A walking stick in my opinion would be good on a hike.It could have some definite use.But if in a more urban situation you had an altercation with another individual.And u picked up your stick in a defensive matter ,it would give him cause to shoot you.

Texas Patriot 03-29-2012 03:18 PM

I follow the "old guy rule" : Don't mess with an old guy or you may get shot. Having said that, I keep a homemade walking stick with me all the time. I had a motorcycle wreck 20 something years ago that almost did me in. I healed up in time and moved on, but as I get older, I'm noticing all those old injuries coming back to haunt me. My walking stick is on the heavy side, although I haven't weighed it. It is quarter sawn ash, 1.25 inches in diameter. I have a steel ferrel mounted and pinned on either end. It is 37" long. I could literally suspend myself from this stick and it would not bow. Whether I swing it, or use in a similar fashion as a rifle and bayonet, I'm going to jack someone up. TP

ShellbackBill 03-29-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Knight (Post 2812078)
Canes and Walking sticks for protection? No.

If it is a large enough caliber, I thin it would be fine. The single shot aspect however is worrying.

http://www.gadgetcanes.com/gun-canes.php

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/questions/Canes.htm

ZZ7 04-02-2012 11:55 PM

IMO, if you buy a weapon that's disguised as a cane, etc. from a company that's known for carrying weapons, then you run the risk of getting prosecuted should you bust up someone's skull in....even in self defense.....especially in states that are very strict against carrying concealed weapons.

Your cases would vary on how much deadly force the other guy used vs. you. How much you got F'ed up compared to him. Witnesses? Even if it's just a cane only, but bought at Cold Steel may be a problem. Lawyers knows their craft. And cops knows all of this stuff, like hidden knife in a brush, etc.

A legal sized knife may be enough to deter a fight. But on the subject, I like the Club steering wheel lock. Taken apart, it's like escrima sticks. Even so, you bust someone up bad enough, they'll still try to charge you with using a deadly weapon w/intent to maim or kill.

shootfirstasklater 04-03-2012 06:51 AM

I believe the old adage is "it's not the size of the stick, it's how you use it." The bottom line is ANY weapon is useless if you don't know what you are doing...For instance:

Randy bought a gun because of the rising amount of muggings in his city.
Late one night walking home, Randy was stopped by a man wielding a small knife who told him to hand over his money...
Randy, knowing he had his pistol, told the man he would comply...He reached back and pulled his weapon from concealment and pointed it at the mugger.
The mugger with nothing to lose began rushing to close the distance and stabbed randy to death and made off with his weapon and his wallet.

What happened? Randy never learned how to operate his firearm...therefore, he could not figure out the safety switch in time to fend off his assailant.

Moral of the story:
Always, Always, Always...Know your weapon. Whether it be a gun, a knife or a piece of string.

And concerning concealed weapons, in my state (Washington) it is far worse(as far as the law is concerned) to brandish a knife against someone with a firearm than to pull a firearm on someone with a knife...

paintballarmsdealer 04-06-2012 08:53 PM

A cane may have just saved my life, 2 african american males tryed to mug me today, they came from behind, in browd daylight at a bussy intersection, one went for my wallet the other grabed my shoulder, I swang around and was pushed to the ground, looked up and there they were, I looked down and there was a stainless steel walking cane. I just started using a few days ago because my knee had been bothering me. the two men were skinny in thier mid 20's and mistook me for a easy target, I'm 48 and 50lbs over wieght But have lost 28lbs in the last 2.5 months. Any how I grabed my cane and started swinging standing my ground yet slowly backing my way to the gas station, they were not backing down they wanted what I had. a few more swings and they ran off like the cowards they were with not one red cent of mine. Thank you cane.:thumb:

swen_out_west 04-07-2012 03:17 PM

Leave it up to the Gestapo in commiefornia to harass you if you have either.

Jash 04-17-2012 06:44 AM

I've got an old stick I found in the bush. Fell off some sort of gum tree. I haven't yet been able to break it. It will hold more than my body weight and it's really light. I use it when hiking and I'm quite sure I'd be able to mess up someone pretty good with it if I needed to.

zbounce 04-17-2012 09:36 AM

cold steel sells walking sticks designed specifically for defense...or offence

Jaqhama 04-24-2012 01:56 AM

I've got a bum ankle. Peroneal tendon keeps snapping over my right ankle bone. Looks like a surgery repair job. Waiting to see a specialist. Hurts like hell when the tendon snaps over the bone. Happened at work. I was just walking down the stairs, when BAM! Something snaps in my ankle.
So now I'm using a walking stick I cut myself from a Privet tree in our back garden.
Privet is called white waxwood in China. Strong and supple, but quite light.
My stick is nice and sturdy, bought a rubber cap for the tip.

Anyway...not the first time I've had to use a walking stick. I'm a lifelong ADVrider, so you can imagine between brain dead car drivers and off road mishaps I've injured my lower legs a number of times.

My first martial art was Savate, (then I was knocked off my motorcycle by a car for the first time and needed a walking stick for some months. So Savate was out of the question until I healed up) which led to me learning Le Canne de Combat, which led me to learning Arnis...and to be honest I think Arnis is superior to Le Canne in most respects, but one style compliments the other.
Most people today only know about Le Canne as it utilised in the martial sport circles in France.
If you've never seen Le Canne in action here's a great example of the sport side of the art.


Le Canne had it's orgins with Pierre Vigny and H. R. Lang.

http://lacannevigny.wordpress.com/

http://lacannevigny.wordpress.com/hg-lang-2/

Originaly Le Canne was designed for self-defence against the footpads and hooligans on the streets of Paris and other French cities, the sport side of the art came much later.
Much like Savate in that respect.

I've picked up bits and pieces of other cane / stick systems over the years, like this style from Ireland.


Now that I'm forced to use a cane again I'll have to start practicing some long forgotten techniques...avoding any moves that require me to shift my injured foot quickly or leap around like a French frog.

You Tube Le Canne vids here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc....708.2j0j3.5.0.

You Tube Irish stick fighting vids here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...03.12j1j6.19.0.

Cheers: Jaq

Jaqhama 04-24-2012 05:27 AM

Here is Mr H.R. Lang's complete Walking Stick self-defence manual.

http://www.the-exiles.org/manual/lang/lang.htm

Cheers: Jaq

arkansashippy 04-25-2012 11:34 PM

i make my canes personaly and have had opportunities to use them and in the hand of someone who knows how to use it a cane can be a very effective weapon and can be used even with a grappleing type of fighting style and you can take your cane with you into a government building unlike a knive and/or gun

paintballarmsdealer 04-26-2012 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by arkansashippy (Post 4073419)
i make my canes personaly and have had opportunities to use them and in the hand of someone who knows how to use it a cane can be a very effective weapon and can be used even with a grappleing type of fighting style and you can take your cane with you into a government building unlike a knive and/or gun

I just had to visit the cout house twice and both times was alowed to proceed.
Ofcoure I removed the hidden blade in the handle:D:

ZZ7 04-26-2012 03:59 PM

The problem with walking around with a cane is that it immediately draws attention towards you as someone who's weak, old and/or injured.....easier prey.

If you're already old and walking with a limp, then a cane wouldn't draw that much more attention. But otherwise, it makes it harder to blend in.

talon115 04-26-2012 04:16 PM


sarge912 04-26-2012 04:26 PM

Once we were chasing a 19 year old car thief that had bailed out of van and took off between some houses. About 3 minutes later we heard the youth screaming in pain and an old man screaming about his Azaleas. When we arrived the thief was curled up in a ball on the ground and the old man was pounding him with an aluminum cane.


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