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YeetSquatch 06-23-2019 08:29 PM

Really Excited about the new Hi Point & HK YEET Cannons
 
I prolly won't be able to afford the HK version but the HI Point YEET Cannon should be in my price range. I think this will be a super good option to stock deep and cheap for emergencies or even everyday carry. I figure for under a $800 a guy could get about a half dozen Yeet Cannons for every family member.

https://youtu.be/1uVohIqOT88

CrypticCRICKET 06-23-2019 08:53 PM

Did they fix the soft metal feed ramp issue that causes the feed problems?


With the C9 (previous version of this handgun) the sharp edge of the shell casing gradually cuts away at the zamak feed ramp, creating a rough surface finish on the feed ramp which causes ammo to catch it's sharp casing edge or even the nose of a hollow point bullet on the ramp and not continue to feed up into the chamber. You had to keep buffing the feed ramp out every couple hundred rounds to keep the gun feeding smoothly.

justin22885 06-23-2019 09:00 PM

so hi point let their fans choose the name of their new handgun?.. my money would have been on "gat"

rollintumblin 06-23-2019 09:02 PM

Yeet Cannon = what happens when you decide to let millennials name your next pistol release :)

justin22885 06-23-2019 09:09 PM

millennials are bleat cannons

i wonder though, do you still need tools to field strip the "yeet" cannon?, which was one of the dumbest features of the C9 in my opinion

John_Auberry 06-23-2019 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by justin22885 (Post 19602088)
millennials are bleat cannons

i wonder though, do you still need tools to field strip the "yeet" cannon?, which was one of the dumbest features of the C9 in my opinion

Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their firearm. Do you think they could get it back together?

John_Auberry 06-23-2019 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22885 (Post 19602088)
millennials are bleat cannons

i wonder though, do you still need tools to field strip the "yeet" cannon?, which was one of the dumbest features of the C9 in my opinion

Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their fire arm. Do you think they could get it back together?

billwilla 06-23-2019 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by John_Auberry (Post 19602182)
Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their fire arm. Do you think they could get it back together?

I can get mine back together just fine. I also know how to reply to a thread without making the same post, twice.

justin22885 06-24-2019 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Auberry (Post 19602182)
Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their fire arm. Do you think they could get it back together?

there are a lot of things the hi point would have to change to pique my interest and even then, it'd just be for a beater gun.. first would be the takedown, if it needs tools, im not interested.. the other would be the build quality.. pot metal? no thanks, pot metal has a tendency to deteriorate rapidly over time, you can practically melt it down in a lead smelter though to cast parts, so thats why low budget guns are made with it.. the phoenix HP22 is another example.. and also, double stack, a rail would be nice

the new hi point covers a lot of these, but at the end of the day its still just going to be a low quality chunk of pot metal

Swamp_Yankee 06-24-2019 12:30 AM

Dis be my yeet 9 problem solver. Be yeeting on all them fools, word.

ETA if HK makes a yeet cannon 45 I will have no choice but to yeet on it. I'm thinking about yeeting on the psa and aero precision yeet lowers. Yeet all the things!

ajole 06-24-2019 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CrypticCRICKET (Post 19602062)
Did they fix the soft metal feed ramp issue that causes the feed problems?


With the C9 (previous version of this handgun) the sharp edge of the shell casing gradually cuts away at the zamak feed ramp, creating a rough surface finish on the feed ramp which causes ammo to catch it's sharp casing edge or even the nose of a hollow point bullet on the ramp and not continue to feed up into the chamber. You had to keep buffing the feed ramp out every couple hundred rounds to keep the gun feeding smoothly.

Thatís complete and total BS. Go to the HP forum, lots of guys have thousands of rounds through the gun without buffing anything.

Every few hundred...thatís the factory recommended cleaning interval for the C9.:rolleyes:

leadcounsel 06-24-2019 01:29 AM

A High Point? Really? In 2019? Not. A. Chance. It's the ugliest gun I've ever seen in the modern era. It's like they purposefully made the hardest gun to disassemble and the ugliest gun imaginable.

I bought a near new Glock last week for $325. I've seen Glocks, Kahrs, Sigs, HKs, FNs, SWs, Rugers, and other top tier guns in the $300-400 range.

Also, folks get fixated on gun prices. In reality, they are trivial. The cost of ammo and training is far more than the cost of the gun, over decades. Buy quality, not ugly junk.

Why in the world would ANYONE buy a HP? What are you "saving?" Really?

CrypticCRICKET 06-24-2019 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ajole (Post 19602464)
That’s complete and total BS. Go to the HP forum, lots of guys have thousands of rounds through the gun without buffing anything.

Every few hundred...that’s the factory recommended cleaning interval for the C9.:rolleyes:

It's not BS. I have a couple thousand rounds through mine. I studied the issue first hand over time with a bright light, a good magnifying glass and 1000 rounds of all different ammo and I figured out the problem while everyone else was blaming the magazine geometry and changing feed lip angles and magazine spring tensions. It's not the feed lips of the magazine causing the problem. The gun functions well until the feed ramp starts to get chewed up by the bullet casing. Smooth out the bite marks in the ramp and the gun works perfectly again until the ramp gets nicked up again. No need to adjust the magazine feed lips.

I used to have pictures of the damage to the feed ramp with the tiny metal chips shaved from the ramp sparkling all around the ramp area.

EDIT: Because I care so much about you all, I just now made new pictures of the feed ramp wear and casing scars in my C9. Unlike most people who fluff and buff their feed ramps, I never removed any more material than was absolutely necessary to allow the bullets to chamber. Witness the black parkerising on the feed ramp, although scarred, is still partially intact.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/pi...ctureid=105092

If Hi Point used a hardenable steel on just this one area, it would permanently solve the bullet sticking problem when auto chambering a round. Nobody would ever need to fluff and buff ever again.

Here's a guy on the HP forum that has identified the exact same issue. LINK https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.co...damage.271107/

ajole 06-24-2019 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrypticCRICKET (Post 19602498)
It's not BS. I have a couple thousand rounds through mine. I studied the issue first hand over time with a bright light, a good magnifying glass and 1000 rounds of all different ammo and I figured out the problem while everyone else was blaming the magazine geometry and changing feed lip angles and magazine spring tensions.


I used to have pictures of the damage to the feed ramp with the tiny metal chips shaved from the ramp sparkling all around the ramp area.


Here's a guy on the HP forum that has identified the exact same issue. LINK https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.co...damage.271107/

Great...an 11 post thread from 10 years ago, that got almost no responses because it was pointless.:rolleyes:

Meanwhile, every single time anyone has feed issues...mag tweaks fix it. Every. Single. Time. You came up with the worst possible fix for an easily solved problem.
And youíre bragging about that?

I donít care what pictures you have, or what microscope you used. I have 17 of them, and they simply keep working.

Yes. 17. Because they are cheap, reliable, accurate, made in America, and I like seeing peopleís eyes roll up in their heads when I tell them that.:D:

leadcounsel 06-24-2019 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajole (Post 19602508)
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrypticCRICKET (Post 19602498)
It's not BS. I have a couple thousand rounds through mine. I studied the issue first hand over time with a bright light, a good magnifying glass and 1000 rounds of all different ammo and I figured out the problem while everyone else was blaming the magazine geometry and changing feed lip angles and magazine spring tensions.


I used to have pictures of the damage to the feed ramp with the tiny metal chips shaved from the ramp sparkling all around the ramp area.


Here's a guy on the HP forum that has identified the exact same issue. LINK https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.co...damage.271107/

Great...an 11 post thread from 10 years ago, that got almost no responses because it was pointless.[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]

Meanwhile, every single time anyone has feed issues...mag tweaks fix it. Every. Single. Time. You came up with the worst possible fix for an easily solved problem.
And you’re bragging about that?

I don’t care what pictures you have, or what microscope you used. I have 17 of them, and they simply keep working.

Yes. 17. Because they are cheap, reliable, accurate, made in America, and I like seeing people’s eyes roll up in their heads when I tell them that.[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

17?

At about 2-3 times their price, I'd rather have 5-8 Sigs, Glocks, etc.

Ymmv

Disturbed70 06-24-2019 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leadcounsel (Post 19602472)
A High Point? Really? In 2019? Not. A. Chance. It's the ugliest gun I've ever seen in the modern era. It's like they purposefully made the hardest gun to disassemble and the ugliest gun imaginable.

I bought a near new Glock last week for $325. I've seen Glocks, Kahrs, Sigs, HKs, FNs, SWs, Rugers, and other top tier guns in the $300-400 range.

Also, folks get fixated on gun prices. In reality, they are trivial. The cost of ammo and training is far more than the cost of the gun, over decades. Buy quality, not ugly junk.

Why in the world would ANYONE buy a HP? What are you "saving?" Really?

You assume the average gun owner will ever put even a full case of ammo through a gun, during their lifetime. And that that same gun owner would ever invest in training. They had their uncle/father/cousin/friend who was a cop/Soldier/Marine show them everything they will ever need to know, and "grew up around guns."

Disturbed70 06-24-2019 10:44 AM

I would not go so far as to call a HiPoint "accurate," at least not their handguns. I have zero experience with their carbines. I will say we take a remarkable number of them off the street that managed to kill someone at close range, with a total lack of discernible maintenance. We've also taken more than one off of bodies, that were completely locked up. FLETC has at least one that they bring out during the Firearms Instructor course, during Familiarization Day. The staff there say they've never seen a failure, and we had none during my class. Of course that one was cleaned every 4-500 rounds. It was about a 5" shooter at 10 yds.

YeetSquatch 06-24-2019 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disturbed70 (Post 19602906)
I would not go so far as to call a HiPoint "accurate," at least not their handguns. I have zero experience with their carbines. I will say we take a remarkable number of them off the street that managed to kill someone at close range, with a total lack of discernible maintenance. We've also taken more than one off of bodies, that were completely locked up. FLETC has at least one that they bring out during the Firearms Instructor course, during Familiarization Day. The staff there say they've never seen a failure, and we had none during my class. Of course that one was cleaned every 4-500 rounds. It was about a 5" shooter at 10 yds.

That poor accuracy sounds like the shooter not the gun. My buddy JB welded a burris fastfire red dot onto his hi point 9mm and that thing will shoot silver dollar sized groups at 25 yds with Tula 9mm ammo all day long. Once you master the trigger its a lazer beam

leadcounsel 06-24-2019 02:23 PM

For $200 you're getting:
* Horrible ergonomics
* Horrible trigger
* Ugly as sin
* Heavy and blocky
* Among worst take-down of any modern gun
* Not much aftermarket
* Terrible resale - essentially disposable.
* Nothing to get excited about.
* Accuracy? Reliability? Parts support?
* Pride of ownership? Nah.

For 2-4 times that on the new market (and less at used prices), you get:
* Gorgeous and well thought out styling and ergos
* Simple disassembly
* Total reliability and great accuracy
* Great aftermarket
* Pride of ownership

YeetSquatch 06-24-2019 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leadcounsel (Post 19603388)
For $200 you're getting:
* Horrible ergonomics
* Horrible trigger
* Ugly as sin
* Heavy and blocky
* Among worst take-down of any modern gun
* Not much aftermarket
* Terrible resale - essentially disposable.
* Nothing to get excited about.
* Accuracy? Reliability? Parts support?
* Pride of ownership? Nah.

For 2-4 times that on the new market (and less at used prices), you get:
* Gorgeous and well thought out styling and ergos
* Simple disassembly
* Total reliability and great accuracy
* Great aftermarket
* Pride of ownership

I can tell you didnt watch the video cause YEET cannon Gen 2 gun solves most of those issues. Besides not everyone can be wealthy and afford those high dollar guns you are talking about. Many of us are saddled with student debt so the YEET cannon is the right gun at the right time for young millenials


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