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blue123 06-22-2010 05:56 PM

Rossi ranch hand (mares leg)
 
just saw this on my latest issue of american rifleman,steve mcqueen as josh randel in wanted dead or alive was one of my favorite shows back when we ruled the world ;) anyhow rossi's take on the mares leg is interesting and for me a bit nostalgic,could'nt find it in the rossi lineup but lipsy's has it so here it is :cool:

http://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.as...i+Rifle+Series

j.mack 06-22-2010 06:31 PM

I saw the same issue today. I googled it and found a couple places which offer it for abt $400.00. What do you think abt this gun as a camp gun etc. or is it a novelty?

Texas Pete 06-22-2010 06:42 PM

It would be fun to have....I find it interesting they were able to market it as a pistol with a 12 inch barrel......I don't think it would be very practical (perhaps as a pistol in Cowbou action shooting?).

It would make a nice truck gun....maybe in the right state!

Woodswalker 06-22-2010 07:35 PM

It's really cool but not practical . If I remember correctly , in the tv show McQeen would fire it from the hip . How many of us are good enough to be acurate shooting from the hip . With the cut down stock , how would you put it on your shoulder to aim ?
But if I had money to burn I might get one just for the cool factor .

j.mack 06-22-2010 07:59 PM

Since the Ranch Hand is considered a pistol, can it be carried loaded in a vehicle by someone with a conceal carry license?

blue123 06-22-2010 09:24 PM

not really practical but i would shure like to have one.....backpack survival?....truck or boat gun?.....airplane?.....i could probably come up with a good excuse or two to justify having one.......

sarge912 06-22-2010 09:58 PM

In Ohio, it is legal to hunt deer with a handgun, it has to be over 5" and .357 or large caliber. We cannot use rifles except black powder (mostly shotgun is used)
This might be just the ticket for hunting deer in .44 magnum. I am thinking you can use both hands to hold it, one on the forearm. 44 magnum out a 12" barrel ought to be pretty cool.
What would be really cool, since they already make the 92 rifle in stainless . . . .
I wonder if it is drilled and tapped for a scope?

shamalama 06-22-2010 10:21 PM

I like the looks, and the nostalgia, I really do ...

... but it's a firearm that only fires pistol calibers and cannot be fired (easily) like either a pistol or rifle. I wouldn't think it would be fun after 100 rounds of .44 mag at the range holding your wrist like that without having a shoulder stock to take some of the recoil.

If there had never been a Steve McQueen/Josh Randel/Wanted Dead Or Alive TV show would there be any interest in this?

Sure, you have a long barrel, but since you can't hold it like a pistol, and I can't imagine you would hold it like a rifle, how exactly "should" you fire it, and what would be the resulting accuracy? I'll keep my L-frame .357, thank you, with better portability, concealability, and accuracy.

Maybe I'm just being too hard on this innovative design. Maybe someone here will buy one and write a good review and I'll eat my words. But from my desk, like the "revolver rifle" in that same article, I have to ask if this is a case of it being an answer to a question no one ever asks?

blue123 06-22-2010 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shamalama (Post 1681871)
I like the looks, and the nostalgia, I really do ...

... but it's a firearm that only fires pistol calibers and cannot be fired (easily) like either a pistol or rifle. I wouldn't think it would be fun after 100 rounds of .44 mag at the range holding your wrist like that without having a shoulder stock to take some of the recoil.

If there had never been a Steve McQueen/Josh Randel/Wanted Dead Or Alive TV show would there be any interest in this?

Sure, you have a long barrel, but since you can't hold it like a pistol, and I can't imagine you would hold it like a rifle, how exactly "should" you fire it, and what would be the resulting accuracy? I'll keep my L-frame .357, thank you, with better portability, concealability, and accuracy.

Maybe I'm just being too hard on this innovative design. Maybe someone here will buy one and write a good review and I'll eat my words. But from my desk, like the "revolver rifle" in that same article, I have to ask if this is a case of it being an answer to a question no one ever asks?

well...it comes in .357 and 45 colt aswell as for the 44 mag chambering that doesnt bother me at all it was my pet cartrige at one time and i loved the recoil....as for exactly how one should fire it or handle such a piece i suppose i could dig out my 20 episode dvd collection of wanted dead or alive for a tip or two :D:

blue123 06-22-2010 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sarge912 (Post 1681809)
In Ohio, it is legal to hunt deer with a handgun, it has to be over 5" and .357 or large caliber. We cannot use rifles except black powder (mostly shotgun is used)
This might be just the ticket for hunting deer in .44 magnum. I am thinking you can use both hands to hold it, one on the forearm. 44 magnum out a 12" barrel ought to be pretty cool.

it would be the perfect skins hunter on the res,they just shoot from the drivers seat;)

sarge912 06-23-2010 05:02 PM

I just got off the phone with Braztech. I was wondering why the Ranch Hand was not showing on the website. The guy in customer service told me that they had just received word today that the Ranch Hand will not start shipping until third quarter of this year. He also told me about a fellow that is making the sling-type holster that Steve McQueen carried in "Wanted Dead or Alive" but that it was crazy expensive.
He was surprised that many people were interested as the show was over 50 years ago. I told them that my kid's generation(s) recognize the pattern from one used in the movie ZombieLand. (I guess they have been getting a lot of calls) Hopefully it will be up on the site soon. He assured me that it is not 'vaporware' but in production now.
I can't think of a better pack gun if it turns out as cool as it looks. The 92 has already got a pretty good reputation and the tooling should be the same.

whirlibird 06-24-2010 03:24 PM

Can't say about Zombieland, but Serenity, yes.


http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...80px-Zoe04.jpg


Now look at her hip. It's there.

That one's originally from The Adventures of Brisco County Jr.

62bravo 06-25-2010 03:17 PM

That is cute. Impractical as hell but then so is my .73 cal. Enfield squat musket with the 22" barrel but it sure is fun to shoot. Hurts though.

sarge912 06-25-2010 03:35 PM

Actually, as far as a backpacking gun goes, it seems very practical to me. I was originally thinking .44 but I read that the 12" barrel gives a significant increase to the performance of the .357 Magnum so that looks like the one for me. It should be available right around my birthday so I am dropping hints to the kids already.

whirlibird 06-25-2010 03:54 PM

Fun? Yes.
Practical? No.

They're unweildy, hard to aim and cycle.

For little more than that, one could pick up a used Puma or Marlin, pay the $200 tax and have it cut down ala John Wayne to 12 or 14" (SBR) and have a true Trapper model that's eminently more useful and practical.

Or pick up the Ranch Hand and pick up the parts to put a butt stock on it, after paying the appliciable tax again. (SBR)

The lack of a butt stock really limits the "Mare's Laig" both in use and abilities.

blue123 06-25-2010 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by whirlibird (Post 1688423)
Fun? Yes.
Practical? No.

They're unweildy, hard to aim and cycle.

For little more than that, one could pick up a used Puma or Marlin, pay the $200 tax and have it cut down ala John Wayne to 12 or 14" (SBR) and have a true Trapper model that's eminently more useful and practical.

Or pick up the Ranch Hand and pick up the parts to put a butt stock on it, after paying the appliciable tax again. (SBR)

The lack of a butt stock really limits the "Mare's Laig" both in use and abilities.

your taking the fun out of it:D:


sarge912 06-25-2010 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whirlibird (Post 1688423)
Fun? Yes.
Practical? No.

They're unweildy, hard to aim and cycle.

Just curious, have actually used a one of these?

blue123 06-25-2010 06:32 PM

heres a review from GunBlast for the puma bounty hunter (mares leg)

sarge912 06-25-2010 06:41 PM


blue123 06-25-2010 06:53 PM

twerling the mares leg? so much for unwieldly....that pistol handles just fine i think

shotgunken 06-25-2010 09:47 PM

good action poor concept same goes for caliber but 10 rounds of 357 mag r useless if you cant place right 400 dollor noise maker

blue123 06-25-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shotgunken (Post 1689178)
good action poor concept same goes for caliber but 10 rounds of 357 mag r useless if you cant place right 400 dollor noise maker

aparently you have'nt read the whole thread .......

j.mack 06-25-2010 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarge912 (Post 1688786)

If you watch the JB Custom video, his mare's leg seems pretty accurate. He also demonstrates a couple different ways to shoot it.

whirlibird 06-26-2010 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarge912 (Post 1688749)
Just curious, have actually used a one of these?

Only an original 92 that had suffered some damage and was SBR'd and cut down to clean up the damage. (working as a gunsmith has it's advantages)

The owner was a Wanted DOA fan.

sarge912 06-26-2010 07:42 AM

I guess we will have to wait until it gets to the range. It looks like one that the rental folk will go crazy for. I have liked every Rossi I have ever used/owned.

j.mack 06-27-2010 03:02 PM

I read this morning a dealer has them listed but said they won't be available until November/December.

rebart 06-29-2010 01:49 PM

I like it.
 
:)The Rossi Ranch Hand is made to be used within fairly short distances. For example, you are charged by a bear, you don't have time to aim a rifle anyway. You need to swing into action FAST!

Speaking of unwieldly, which is most unwieldly, a full-length rifle or a mare's leg? Try wielding a rifle around in a tight situation in which you have to move fast. Sure, a revolver would be even faster, but a .44 mag or .45 Colt out of 12 inches will do more damage than the same caliber out of a 4-6 inch bbl. If you carry a revolver longer than with a 6-inch bbl you might as well go ahead and carry the mare's leg. I carry a revolver, too when fishing or when any bigger firearm is clumsy to carry.

Uses for a mare's leg: We intend to use our on our ATVs. We offroad and fish in the Montana high country by going in on our ATVs, and sometimes our 4WDs. This is Grizzly country. The mare's leg in a scabbard is much easier to carry on an ATV than a full-length rifle. There are other scenarios where the mare's leg is better than a rifle, too.

Cannon Fodder 06-29-2010 02:04 PM

Maybe I'm not seeing something right, but it appears to me that it has just enough buttstock to shoulder and fire like a short rifle. I love the looks of it. It would be worth buying just from a collector's standpoint,but I can see how for some people the mare's leg would truly serve a purpose. Like others have mentioned, it's essentially a holster-able carbine. Way cool.

shotgunken 06-29-2010 08:56 PM

id like to applogize for my comment my boss a rancher for over 45 yrs purchased 1 today in 44mag after bn proved wrong i hummbly applogize 50yrds n milk jugs were done 4 slick little beast to just go to show try it b4 you bash it :[

blue123 06-29-2010 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shotgunken (Post 1698317)
id like to applogize for my comment my boss a rancher for over 45 yrs purchased 1 today in 44mag after bn proved wrong i hummbly applogize 50yrds n milk jugs were done 4 slick little beast to just go to show try it b4 you bash it :[

thanks for the report it was helpful

shotgunken 07-01-2010 09:33 PM

bring one arm crossed in front of you to rest the forestock aim very much like a sidelock purcussion pistol an 50 yrds are no problem its a 12inch ballelled 44mag in all respect we used everleverlotion type bullets redtipped 44mags to be exact an talk about accurate, i just wish ATF wasnt so strict we;d like to use a full lenth 92 stock to see how that does id say 100yds could be accived

SgtBooker44 07-02-2010 03:12 AM

Looks like a nice pack or pick up gun. Fun, but not hte first gun I'd grab

sarge912 07-02-2010 07:50 AM

From what I gathered, talking to the CSR at Rossi, they had no idea it would generate the kind of response they are getting. The guy told me that if he had a dollar for every call about the Mare's leg, he could retire at the end of the week. So there must be a lot of folks champing at the bit. Two of my sons already want one and a third will probably join them if it every really arrives.

Amra910 07-02-2010 08:32 AM

I want one. Any recoil it might have will be much less than my little 30-30 Winchester has, and I have shot it with one hand. Just hard to hold the muzzle up for any length of time.

I think it will be much easier to shoot than what most here are thinking.

emclean 07-02-2010 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sarge912 (Post 1704516)
From what I gathered, talking to the CSR at Rossi, they had no idea it would generate the kind of response they are getting.

with two movies, featureing them (ir ones that look like them) in teh last five years, adn one cult hit tv show a bit frther back. combined with half the cost of other makes of the pistol, they should have known it was going to be big.
they tied up three diffrent genres of fans (old westerns, sci-fi, and horror).

trockstroh 07-25-2010 11:46 PM

So why doesn't anyone think this is a practical gun? I keep reading about how many people think it is a novelty but why can't it be practical? I think that it is a great idea, it can be soldered and because of the barrel length it should be more accurate then a standard handgun. I feel that this would give the Ranch Hand an edge in many situations.

I will be buying one and taking it with me when I am backpacking and camping. I feel that this will be a much easier firearm to carry then a revolver and I also think that this added accuracy of this would help me neutralise a situation at a farther distance then a standard revolver.

On a more far-fetched note, I also think it could be a great SHTF gun. If you think about it if something happened you could not carry a rifle with out being noticed and this would give you an edge against people armed with standard Handguns.

I guess overall I just think it can be practical in some situations. I do understand that it is not for everyone and that Zombieland and other films have given them a bad name and made them look like a toy but I think they are more practical then you guys are giving them credit for.

emclean 07-26-2010 08:35 AM

Quote:

So why doesn't anyone think this is a practical gun? I keep reading about how many people think it is a novelty but why can't it be practical?
ergonomics + experance with a pistol version of a handgun.

an AK pistol sounds like it would have all the advantages you listed above, BUT the reality of it is that it takes the worst of both worlds and combines them. too heavy / unwieldy to shoot one handed, bending the strong arm makes it hard to keep it steady.

Quote:

If you think about it if something happened you could not carry a rifle with out being noticed and this would give you an edge against people armed with standard Handguns.
get a trench coat, or poncho. cheaper and more useful.

Quote:

I guess overall I just think it can be practical in some situations.
good for use in a vehicle.

by all means get one, then come back and tell me where i am wrong.

blue123 07-26-2010 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emclean (Post 1770526)
ergonomics + experance with a pistol version of a handgun.

an AK pistol sounds like it would have all the advantages you listed above, BUT the reality of it is that it takes the worst of both worlds and combines them. too heavy / unwieldy to shoot one handed, bending the strong arm makes it hard to keep it steady.


get a trench coat, or poncho. cheaper and more useful.


good for use in a vehicle.

by all means get one, then come back and tell me where i am wrong.

post #29 seems to ba a convert:thumb:

j.mack 07-27-2010 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trockstroh (Post 1770018)
So why doesn't anyone think this is a practical gun? I keep reading about how many people think it is a novelty but why can't it be practical? I think that it is a great idea, it can be soldered and because of the barrel length it should be more accurate then a standard handgun. I feel that this would give the Ranch Hand an edge in many situations.

I will be buying one and taking it with me when I am backpacking and camping. I feel that this will be a much easier firearm to carry then a revolver and I also think that this added accuracy of this would help me neutralise a situation at a farther distance then a standard revolver.

On a more far-fetched note, I also think it could be a great SHTF gun. If you think about it if something happened you could not carry a rifle with out being noticed and this would give you an edge against people armed with standard Handguns.

I guess overall I just think it can be practical in some situations. I do understand that it is not for everyone and that Zombieland and other films have given them a bad name and made them look like a toy but I think they are more practical then you guys are giving them credit for.

I tend to agree with your philosophy. I also think it could be a good hog gun for use in thick cover. As far as being heavy, I believe the weight is right at 4lbs. I have a Ruger .44 mag Redhawk with a 4 in. barrel which weighs the abt the same. I went ahead and pre-ordered one.

blue123 07-27-2010 05:04 PM

practicality is what you make of it........


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