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Trip Wire 02-22-2020 06:04 AM

EMP and modern rides
 
You all do know that all motor vehicles newer than 1972 are prone to never running again. Newer than 1992 scrap metal.

Even our 79 Chevy and 84 Ranger have to have parts put in a Faraday cage.
Ign module and alternators. After 92, you have to deal with computers, even newer, sensors.

Nukes are in the worlds future. Be prepared.

w0lfpack91 02-22-2020 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip Wire (Post 20079134)
You all do know that all motor vehicles newer than 1972 are prone to never running again. Newer than 1992 scrap metal.



Even our 79 Chevy and 84 Ranger have to have parts put in a Faraday cage.

Ign module and alternators. After 92, you have to deal with computers, even newer, sensors.



Nukes are in the worlds future. Be prepared.

Most newer vehicle are shielded from electrical interference naturally as a side effect of an increasingly more computerized society. If you are that worried about a Nuke build a faraday cage and store an extra ECM and other sensitive parts, You can also turn your garage into a faraday cage.

Tests have been done into this area and for the most part 6 out of 10 newer vehicles start right back up after an EMP due to the modern EM shielding modern technology is required to have per the FCC to prevent interference, taking a few extra steps beyond that by keeping replacements for the more sensitive parts in a protective container like a faraday cage and you can minimize down time of a newer vehicle.

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Trip Wire 02-22-2020 06:32 AM

Im not worried all my stuff is either EMP proof or spare parts have been in the cage for over a year now.
No electronic computers are shielded. The transistors are going to fry. along with the electric door and window servos.

NW GUY 02-22-2020 09:33 AM

DOES a steel sided and roofed building provide any EMP protection?

Trip Wire 02-22-2020 01:13 PM

If totally isolated and non grounded. One big cage

cannonfoddertfc 02-22-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NW GUY (Post 20079428)
DOES a steel sided and roofed building provide any EMP protection?

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Originally Posted by Trip Wire (Post 20079930)
If totally isolated and non grounded. One big cage

Continuous in circuit (metal roof continuous with metal side) and totally isolated. No power wires, phone lines, cable, etc can breach the outer shell. Some folks forget that the power to the shop is a problem.

But if it does have power, utilize surge protection where the power comes into the building and ensure it has a good ground.

One of the many theories on EMP protection:
https://www.futurescience.com/emp/emp-grounding.html

neiowa 02-22-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by w0lfpack91 (Post 20079170)
Most newer vehicle are shielded from electrical interference naturally as a side effect of an increasingly more computerized society. If you are that worried about a Nuke build a faraday cage and store an extra ECM and other sensitive parts, You can also turn your garage into a faraday cage.

Tests have been done into this area and for the most part 6 out of 10 newer vehicles start right back up after an EMP due to the modern EM shielding modern technology is required to have per the FCC to prevent interference, taking a few extra steps beyond that by keeping replacements for the more sensitive parts in a protective container like a faraday cage and you can minimize down time of a newer vehicle.

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Provide the link to such milspec testing. Hint: there is no such. FCC radio interference standards have no relevance.

Start a GoFundMe. This testing would be excellent project.

w0lfpack91 02-22-2020 02:01 PM

Here have at. As stated most vehicles started right back up, a few had to do a reset by disconnecting batteries and reconnecting them but all but 1 were able to drive out with no lasting damage or effects.


https://www.futurescience.com/emp/vehicles.html

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Aerindel 02-22-2020 02:33 PM

The threat of EMP to vehicles and small electronics is greatly overblown.

The threat to the grid and a grid dependent society cannot be overstated.

A_SonofLiberty 02-22-2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NW GUY (Post 20079428)
DOES a steel sided and roofed building provide any EMP protection?

Does it have windows?

SeaBeeDaddy 02-22-2020 03:18 PM

The EMP threat is real. At least that is what I tell my wife for keeping the money pit in my garage. Just like I told her the kegerator was for recycling/environmental purposes.

Trip Wire 02-22-2020 07:45 PM

1-2 high altitude nukes and the left coast is open for invasion. The Chi-Coms are just readying and waiting. Maybe a pandemic might do the trick.

arks 02-22-2020 09:59 PM

If you’re truly concerned about it and have the financial means, buy yourself a classic car or truck.

Redlineshooter 02-23-2020 12:56 AM

83-85 is when we saw the migration of most vehicles with computer aided help..

Aerindel 02-23-2020 01:07 AM

I'm not concerned....other than lack of fuel, parts, maintained roads, etc.

But if I'm wrong, I have a 67' that should work. Only computer in it is the tach.

https://i.imgur.com/MQPswaI.jpg

Kymudder08 02-23-2020 07:04 AM

Think again. A lot of brand new trucks canít go into certain areas of my work where the magnetism is so strong it shuts them off.

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Originally Posted by w0lfpack91 (Post 20079170)
Most newer vehicle are shielded from electrical interference naturally as a side effect of an increasingly more computerized society. If you are that worried about a Nuke build a faraday cage and store an extra ECM and other sensitive parts, You can also turn your garage into a faraday cage.

Tests have been done into this area and for the most part 6 out of 10 newer vehicles start right back up after an EMP due to the modern EM shielding modern technology is required to have per the FCC to prevent interference, taking a few extra steps beyond that by keeping replacements for the more sensitive parts in a protective container like a faraday cage and you can minimize down time of a newer vehicle.

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NW GUY 02-23-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by A_SonofLiberty (Post 20080194)
Does it have windows?

NO.

ALL metal with concrete floor. The building is 60' long and 24' wide.
IT has its own address with power running to it with its own breaker panel.

I also have another vehicle sized 26x12 with dirt floor and electrical is underground.

wldwsel 02-23-2020 08:07 AM

I'll ask the question again:

After an EMP/MCD event, where are you going in your EMP protected car? within a couple of hours, anything on the road would be a 10,000ft target painted red, and if most all car electronics are gone, what's driving the machinery to make the fuel, carry the products to stores, haul the oil to the refineries, haul the gas to the non-existant stations, etc, etc, etc. All of the above to say I personally don't worry much about things I simply can't do anything to prevent. I'll sure prep food, water, equipment to clean water, ammo, etc. But no car parts.

Just my opinion.

WW

shoot straight - stay safe

Sky1950 02-23-2020 08:19 AM

I think the chance of an EMP attack is very low, invest in bicycles or horses if you are worried. If someone hits us with an EMP our boomers will shower down nuclear armageddon on them. An EMP attack is total war, everybody knows that. No grounded metal building with or without windows would save anyone from an EMP

The possibility of a CME is serious though. Concentrate on independent power (solar, wind etc) for light, commo, refrigeration and water pumpage if you are concerned about loss of grid power. Make your essentials independent from the grid, keep your wire runs short and ground all alternate power generation.

As others have cited, read up on futurescience.com

Goodwrench708 02-23-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip Wire (Post 20079184)
Im not worried all my stuff is either EMP proof or spare parts have been in the cage for over a year now.
No electronic computers are shielded. The transistors are going to fry. along with the electric door and window servos.

Loosen up the tin foil hat...
Modern day vehicle electronics are very protected. Most transistors have been replaced by FETs...

PatrioticAmerican 02-23-2020 09:31 AM

"You all do know that all motor vehicles newer than 1972 are prone to never running again. Newer than 1992 scrap metal.
"


Says the Internet. Repeat a lie often enough and the feeble minded will believe it. Tests show that cars can be interrupted by EMP but not damaged. They restart just fine.

w0lfpack91 02-23-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kymudder08 (Post 20081668)
Think again. A lot of brand new trucks canít go into certain areas of my work where the magnetism is so strong it shuts them off.

I never said it wouldn't shut them down, I stated that most could be restarted after with little to no damage.

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w0lfpack91 02-23-2020 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wldwsel (Post 20081766)
I'll ask the question again:

After an EMP/MCD event, where are you going in your EMP protected car? within a couple of hours, anything on the road would be a 10,000ft target painted red, and if most all car electronics are gone, what's driving the machinery to make the fuel, carry the products to stores, haul the oil to the refineries, haul the gas to the non-existant stations, etc, etc, etc. All of the above to say I personally don't worry much about things I simply can't do anything to prevent. I'll sure prep food, water, equipment to clean water, ammo, etc. But no car parts.

Just my opinion.

WW

shoot straight - stay safe

This is actually depends more on location and what type of emergency caused the EMP. with a CME most things will be disrupted but bounds of society will most likely hold at least locally where a vehicle would be useful short term. As for a Nuke, chances of survival are slim in the blast zone and outside the blast zone will likely be crawling with soldiers and checkpoints on defcon 1 chances are you will either die, be stranded, or get detained.

As for location, EMP or not where I live we have high risk for wildfire. 90% of situations would constitute a bug In response but if a wild fire gets near the perimeter EMP or not it's time to cut losses and bug out. Even if it's a one way trip having a vehicle is beneficial for emergency escape.

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A_SonofLiberty 02-23-2020 02:23 PM

Whether or not the cars will run, will there be fuel available to power them?

Trip Wire 02-23-2020 03:38 PM

In 2002 We bought a mail order still. Since then we have made 3 more.

All you have to do is change the jets in the carb. We have those jets.

Also with millions of dead vehicles, a punch and a drain pan is all you will need.
Bolt cutters, a 40 foot rod with a hose, attacked to a Holly electric fuel pump will draw about 5 gallons a minute.

You just dont get the ding ding sound as you pull up to the station.

BTW this is not some hair brained idea. It was taught to us border rats in case Ivan crossed the DMZ. We were to hide our tanks for 3 days, and pop up and shalaylee missile the poggies out of the rear supply lines.


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