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Batko10 05-30-2019 03:10 PM

Christians on the Forum Finally Agree on Something!
 
For the first time on this forum ALL Christians have come to an almost unanimous agreement on something, i.e. that:

- If you don't believe in the divinity of Christ you are NOT a Christian;

and a majority opinion that:

- Universalists are NOT Christians, but a conglomeration of a wide range of philosophies and religions.

I think that we should all take a moment to thank our resident pseudo-Christian - Peter Energy - for his part in this momentous occasion that is the closest thing to ecumenism among Christians that this forum will ever see.

Peter Energy's hypocritical insistence that he is a Christian, despite denying the divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity, inspired the threads with the polls that brought us all together on the points mentioned above.

All the "Christian unity" threads we have seen didn't do what a pseudo Christian pagan did in bringing us together, albeit if only on the two topics mentioned.

Thank you, Peter Energy!:thumb:

Basic Human Unit 05-30-2019 03:26 PM

What a great Christian you are. :rolleyes:

Batko10 05-30-2019 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Basic Human Unit (Post 19554576)
What a great Christian you are. :rolleyes:

I'm not. But, I try my best.

PeterEnergy 05-30-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19554540)
I think that we should all take a moment to thank our resident pseudo-Christian - Peter Energy - for his part in this momentous occasion that is the closest thing to ecumenism among Christians that this forum will ever see.

Bless your heart.

All glory to God, none for man.

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Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19554540)
Peter Energy's hypocritical insistence that he is a Christian, despite denying the divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity

On the contrary, I have repeatedly said if this - arrogant condescension by orthodrones - is what it means to be a Christian, I am OK to not be affiliated. ;) Still, I rely on fact not pride driven opinion. From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Christian

Quote:

Christian noun
Chris·​tian | \ ˈkris-chən , ˈkrish-\
Definition of Christian (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
b(1) : DISCIPLE sense 2
(2) : a member of one of the Churches of Christ separating from the Disciples of Christ in 1906
(3) : a member of the Christian denomination having part in the union of the United Church of Christ concluded in 1961
2 : the hero in Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress
Christian adjective
Definition of Christian (Entry 2 of 2)
1a : of or relating to Christianity
Christian scriptures
b : based on or conforming with Christianity
Christian ethics
2a : of, relating to, or being a Christian
Christian responsibilities
b : professing Christianity
a Christian affirmation
a Christian country
3 : treating other people in a kind or generous way
has a very Christian concern for others

NOTE: No mention of violating the 1st Commandment, of attributing diety status to a 1st century Jewish carpenter.

I've consistently said I am a unitarian-universalist (though no longer associated with the church by that name) and am not going to violate the 1C, having always rejected trinitarianism. I'm at peace with my faith and grateful to have received the Holy Spirit despite your never ending condemnation,. Once again, Bless your heart.

PeterEnergy 05-30-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19554588)
I'm not.

No, you are not a great Christian. Something we agree on.

cat_1978 05-30-2019 04:29 PM

Peter. Own it. You are not a Christian. Would you be interested to become one?

If yes, please repeat after me:

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from Heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He arose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into Heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; Whose Kingdom shall have no end.

JenFred 05-30-2019 11:12 PM

I guess I look at this differently.... When someone is truly seeking after God....I don't see it being funny to laugh and kick and spit on them in their search. And in all my reading of the Bible, I didn't see my God doing that either. Is that some church father tradition that extends beyond the Scriptures that I don't know about because I'm a protestant?

Cabinet Maker 05-31-2019 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JenFred (Post 19555482)
I guess I look at this differently.... When someone is truly seeking after God....I don't see it being funny to laugh and kick and spit on them in their search. And in all my reading of the Bible, I didn't see my God doing that either. Is that some church father tradition that extends beyond the Scriptures that I don't know about because I'm a protestant?


I promise you that the traditions taught by the Church Fathers do not include such animosity and vitriol.

Quite the opposite.

Batko10 05-31-2019 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JenFred (Post 19555482)
I guess I look at this differently.... When someone is truly seeking after God....I don't see it being funny to laugh and kick and spit on them in their search. And in all my reading of the Bible, I didn't see my God doing that either. Is that some church father tradition that extends beyond the Scriptures that I don't know about because I'm a protestant?

Someone truly seeking G-d is one thing. However, is it truly seeking G-d when someone denies the divinity of Christ and then hypocritically quotes Him from Scripture while telling Christians how and what to believe? Or, is that person proselytizing a non-Christian doctrine in the most cunning manner under the guise of being a Christian, i.e. a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Most likely, because you are a Protestant who was brought up to believe that anyone's interpretation of the Bible is valid you can't see the forest for the trees regarding the individual in question.

It would appear that most Protestants on this forum believe that one who does not believe in the divinity of Christ is NOT a Christian. They stepped forward and said so by post or voting in the poll. Unfortunately, there are a few of them who are either cowards or, in fact, non-believers who support the wolf.

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want. But, don't pretend to be Christian and then deny that Jesus was G-d incarnate who suffered, died, and rose from the dead for our salvation. That is height of hypocrisy.

cat_1978 05-31-2019 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JenFred (Post 19555482)
I guess I look at this differently.... When someone is truly seeking after God....I don't see it being funny to laugh and kick and spit on them in their search. And in all my reading of the Bible, I didn't see my God doing that either. Is that some church father tradition that extends beyond the Scriptures that I don't know about because I'm a protestant?

Protestant to what? What is your protest about? Why are you rebellious to the Church of Jesus Christ? Just because Roman Catholic Church messed up through sheer heresy it does not mean you have to mess up too. Come back to the Ancient Church, the original Church that was preserved for you up until now and renounce being in some kind of protest.

PeterEnergy 05-31-2019 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19555702)
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want.

Are they, now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19555702)
But, don't pretend to be Christian and then deny that Jesus was G-d incarnate who suffered, died, and rose from the dead for our salvation.

Who's pretending?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19555702)
That is height of hypocrisy.

Clearly, you set the height for hypocrisy. :mad:

PeterEnergy 05-31-2019 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19555702)
Or, is that person proselytizing a non-Christian doctrine in the most cunning manner under the guise of being a Christian, i.e. a wolf in sheep's clothing?

You are the wolf.

I am the test case for your commitment to people being free to believe what they want.

America's Patriot 05-31-2019 11:21 AM

Batko says so... it must be true.

Batko10 05-31-2019 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterEnergy (Post 19556134)
You are the wolf.

I am the test case for your commitment to people being free to believe what they want.

Believe what you want, but don't be a hypocrite and hide behind the mask of being a Christian when you are not one.

A wolf is sly and sneaky, like you - quoting Jesus from Scripture when you don't believe in his divinity and the promise of salvation by his death and resurrection.

Batko10 05-31-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by America's Patriot (Post 19556272)
Batko says so... it must be true.

Do you believe in Christ's divinity or are you in agreement with Peter Energy's view that Jesus was just a mortal man and the equivalent of Aristotle?

Cabinet Maker 05-31-2019 12:17 PM

Since one of the teachings of Christ is John 3:16, I'm ok with the definition.

PeterEnergy 05-31-2019 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batko10 (Post 19556292)
Believe what you want, but don't be a hypocrite and hide behind the mask of being a Christian when you are not one.

Eject the term "Christian" from our conversation, you serpent!

I have always rejected trinitarianism. :mad:

The many posts where I posted Scripture demonstrate some following of Jesus, even more than some others on these boards. :)

Thanks for affirming that I may believe what I want. :D:

cat_1978 05-31-2019 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterEnergy (Post 19556756)
Eject the term "Christian" from our conversation, you serpent!

I have always rejected trinitarianism. :mad:
:

So you do not believe in Jesus and in the Holy Spirit. So who is this God of yours that you believe in?

NCalHippie 05-31-2019 03:32 PM

Why would the two be mutually exclusive? As far as I know there is no reason a Universalist can't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

Watchingtheweasels 05-31-2019 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JenFred (Post 19555482)
I guess I look at this differently.... When someone is truly seeking after God....I don't see it being funny to laugh and kick and spit on them in their search. And in all my reading of the Bible, I didn't see my God doing that either. Is that some church father tradition that extends beyond the Scriptures that I don't know about because I'm a protestant?

JenFred, here’s how I see it.

The publican who beat his chest was truly seeking after God. The Pharisee who said “thank God i’m not like that guy” wasn’t. When someone comes around here deliberately quoting a poorly written dynamic translation of scripture to support concepts that the Christian Church everywhere and always rejected, well, I see the self justification of the Pharisee in that not the forgiveness granted to the Publican. The Publican would never think of making it up as he goes along, for he would be far too humble to presume to do such a thing. The Pharisee has no issue with that. The publican would never say “I don’t use bibles with the name James in the title”, the Pharisee in his arrogance would. The publican would never attempt to make excuses for the behavior for which God smote Sodom. The Pharisee has no issue with that.

So, who in the end goes home justified?


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