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YeetSquatch 06-23-2019 08:29 PM

Really Excited about the new Hi Point & HK YEET Cannons
 
I prolly won't be able to afford the HK version but the HI Point YEET Cannon should be in my price range. I think this will be a super good option to stock deep and cheap for emergencies or even everyday carry. I figure for under a $800 a guy could get about a half dozen Yeet Cannons for every family member.

https://youtu.be/1uVohIqOT88

CrypticCRICKET 06-23-2019 08:53 PM

Did they fix the soft metal feed ramp issue that causes the feed problems?


With the C9 (previous version of this handgun) the sharp edge of the shell casing gradually cuts away at the zamak feed ramp, creating a rough surface finish on the feed ramp which causes ammo to catch it's sharp casing edge or even the nose of a hollow point bullet on the ramp and not continue to feed up into the chamber. You had to keep buffing the feed ramp out every couple hundred rounds to keep the gun feeding smoothly.

justin22885 06-23-2019 09:00 PM

so hi point let their fans choose the name of their new handgun?.. my money would have been on "gat"

rollintumblin 06-23-2019 09:02 PM

Yeet Cannon = what happens when you decide to let millennials name your next pistol release :)

justin22885 06-23-2019 09:09 PM

millennials are bleat cannons

i wonder though, do you still need tools to field strip the "yeet" cannon?, which was one of the dumbest features of the C9 in my opinion

John_Auberry 06-23-2019 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22885 (Post 19602088)
millennials are bleat cannons

i wonder though, do you still need tools to field strip the "yeet" cannon?, which was one of the dumbest features of the C9 in my opinion

Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their firearm. Do you think they could get it back together?

John_Auberry 06-23-2019 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22885 (Post 19602088)
millennials are bleat cannons

i wonder though, do you still need tools to field strip the "yeet" cannon?, which was one of the dumbest features of the C9 in my opinion

Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their fire arm. Do you think they could get it back together?

billwilla 06-23-2019 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Auberry (Post 19602182)
Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their fire arm. Do you think they could get it back together?

I can get mine back together just fine. I also know how to reply to a thread without making the same post, twice.

justin22885 06-24-2019 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John_Auberry (Post 19602182)
Think of the average Hi point owner. Now image they disassembled their fire arm. Do you think they could get it back together?

there are a lot of things the hi point would have to change to pique my interest and even then, it'd just be for a beater gun.. first would be the takedown, if it needs tools, im not interested.. the other would be the build quality.. pot metal? no thanks, pot metal has a tendency to deteriorate rapidly over time, you can practically melt it down in a lead smelter though to cast parts, so thats why low budget guns are made with it.. the phoenix HP22 is another example.. and also, double stack, a rail would be nice

the new hi point covers a lot of these, but at the end of the day its still just going to be a low quality chunk of pot metal

Swamp_Yankee 06-24-2019 12:30 AM

Dis be my yeet 9 problem solver. Be yeeting on all them fools, word.

ETA if HK makes a yeet cannon 45 I will have no choice but to yeet on it. I'm thinking about yeeting on the psa and aero precision yeet lowers. Yeet all the things!

ajole 06-24-2019 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrypticCRICKET (Post 19602062)
Did they fix the soft metal feed ramp issue that causes the feed problems?


With the C9 (previous version of this handgun) the sharp edge of the shell casing gradually cuts away at the zamak feed ramp, creating a rough surface finish on the feed ramp which causes ammo to catch it's sharp casing edge or even the nose of a hollow point bullet on the ramp and not continue to feed up into the chamber. You had to keep buffing the feed ramp out every couple hundred rounds to keep the gun feeding smoothly.

Thatís complete and total BS. Go to the HP forum, lots of guys have thousands of rounds through the gun without buffing anything.

Every few hundred...thatís the factory recommended cleaning interval for the C9.:rolleyes:

leadcounsel 06-24-2019 01:29 AM

A High Point? Really? In 2019? Not. A. Chance. It's the ugliest gun I've ever seen in the modern era. It's like they purposefully made the hardest gun to disassemble and the ugliest gun imaginable.

I bought a near new Glock last week for $325. I've seen Glocks, Kahrs, Sigs, HKs, FNs, SWs, Rugers, and other top tier guns in the $300-400 range.

Also, folks get fixated on gun prices. In reality, they are trivial. The cost of ammo and training is far more than the cost of the gun, over decades. Buy quality, not ugly junk.

Why in the world would ANYONE buy a HP? What are you "saving?" Really?

CrypticCRICKET 06-24-2019 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajole (Post 19602464)
That’s complete and total BS. Go to the HP forum, lots of guys have thousands of rounds through the gun without buffing anything.

Every few hundred...that’s the factory recommended cleaning interval for the C9.:rolleyes:

It's not BS. I have a couple thousand rounds through mine. I studied the issue first hand over time with a bright light, a good magnifying glass and 1000 rounds of all different ammo and I figured out the problem while everyone else was blaming the magazine geometry and changing feed lip angles and magazine spring tensions. It's not the feed lips of the magazine causing the problem. The gun functions well until the feed ramp starts to get chewed up by the bullet casing. Smooth out the bite marks in the ramp and the gun works perfectly again until the ramp gets nicked up again. No need to adjust the magazine feed lips.

I used to have pictures of the damage to the feed ramp with the tiny metal chips shaved from the ramp sparkling all around the ramp area.

EDIT: Because I care so much about you all, I just now made new pictures of the feed ramp wear and casing scars in my C9. Unlike most people who fluff and buff their feed ramps, I never removed any more material than was absolutely necessary to allow the bullets to chamber. Witness the black parkerising on the feed ramp, although scarred, is still partially intact.
https://www.survivalistboards.com/pi...ctureid=105092

If Hi Point used a hardenable steel on just this one area, it would permanently solve the bullet sticking problem when auto chambering a round. Nobody would ever need to fluff and buff ever again.

Here's a guy on the HP forum that has identified the exact same issue. LINK https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.co...damage.271107/

ajole 06-24-2019 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrypticCRICKET (Post 19602498)
It's not BS. I have a couple thousand rounds through mine. I studied the issue first hand over time with a bright light, a good magnifying glass and 1000 rounds of all different ammo and I figured out the problem while everyone else was blaming the magazine geometry and changing feed lip angles and magazine spring tensions.


I used to have pictures of the damage to the feed ramp with the tiny metal chips shaved from the ramp sparkling all around the ramp area.


Here's a guy on the HP forum that has identified the exact same issue. LINK https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.co...damage.271107/

Great...an 11 post thread from 10 years ago, that got almost no responses because it was pointless.:rolleyes:

Meanwhile, every single time anyone has feed issues...mag tweaks fix it. Every. Single. Time. You came up with the worst possible fix for an easily solved problem.
And youíre bragging about that?

I donít care what pictures you have, or what microscope you used. I have 17 of them, and they simply keep working.

Yes. 17. Because they are cheap, reliable, accurate, made in America, and I like seeing peopleís eyes roll up in their heads when I tell them that.:D:

leadcounsel 06-24-2019 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajole (Post 19602508)
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrypticCRICKET (Post 19602498)
It's not BS. I have a couple thousand rounds through mine. I studied the issue first hand over time with a bright light, a good magnifying glass and 1000 rounds of all different ammo and I figured out the problem while everyone else was blaming the magazine geometry and changing feed lip angles and magazine spring tensions.


I used to have pictures of the damage to the feed ramp with the tiny metal chips shaved from the ramp sparkling all around the ramp area.


Here's a guy on the HP forum that has identified the exact same issue. LINK https://www.hipointfirearmsforums.co...damage.271107/

Great...an 11 post thread from 10 years ago, that got almost no responses because it was pointless.[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]

Meanwhile, every single time anyone has feed issues...mag tweaks fix it. Every. Single. Time. You came up with the worst possible fix for an easily solved problem.
And you’re bragging about that?

I don’t care what pictures you have, or what microscope you used. I have 17 of them, and they simply keep working.

Yes. 17. Because they are cheap, reliable, accurate, made in America, and I like seeing people’s eyes roll up in their heads when I tell them that.[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]

17?

At about 2-3 times their price, I'd rather have 5-8 Sigs, Glocks, etc.

Ymmv

Disturbed70 06-24-2019 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leadcounsel (Post 19602472)
A High Point? Really? In 2019? Not. A. Chance. It's the ugliest gun I've ever seen in the modern era. It's like they purposefully made the hardest gun to disassemble and the ugliest gun imaginable.

I bought a near new Glock last week for $325. I've seen Glocks, Kahrs, Sigs, HKs, FNs, SWs, Rugers, and other top tier guns in the $300-400 range.

Also, folks get fixated on gun prices. In reality, they are trivial. The cost of ammo and training is far more than the cost of the gun, over decades. Buy quality, not ugly junk.

Why in the world would ANYONE buy a HP? What are you "saving?" Really?

You assume the average gun owner will ever put even a full case of ammo through a gun, during their lifetime. And that that same gun owner would ever invest in training. They had their uncle/father/cousin/friend who was a cop/Soldier/Marine show them everything they will ever need to know, and "grew up around guns."

Disturbed70 06-24-2019 10:44 AM

I would not go so far as to call a HiPoint "accurate," at least not their handguns. I have zero experience with their carbines. I will say we take a remarkable number of them off the street that managed to kill someone at close range, with a total lack of discernible maintenance. We've also taken more than one off of bodies, that were completely locked up. FLETC has at least one that they bring out during the Firearms Instructor course, during Familiarization Day. The staff there say they've never seen a failure, and we had none during my class. Of course that one was cleaned every 4-500 rounds. It was about a 5" shooter at 10 yds.

YeetSquatch 06-24-2019 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Disturbed70 (Post 19602906)
I would not go so far as to call a HiPoint "accurate," at least not their handguns. I have zero experience with their carbines. I will say we take a remarkable number of them off the street that managed to kill someone at close range, with a total lack of discernible maintenance. We've also taken more than one off of bodies, that were completely locked up. FLETC has at least one that they bring out during the Firearms Instructor course, during Familiarization Day. The staff there say they've never seen a failure, and we had none during my class. Of course that one was cleaned every 4-500 rounds. It was about a 5" shooter at 10 yds.

That poor accuracy sounds like the shooter not the gun. My buddy JB welded a burris fastfire red dot onto his hi point 9mm and that thing will shoot silver dollar sized groups at 25 yds with Tula 9mm ammo all day long. Once you master the trigger its a lazer beam

leadcounsel 06-24-2019 02:23 PM

For $200 you're getting:
* Horrible ergonomics
* Horrible trigger
* Ugly as sin
* Heavy and blocky
* Among worst take-down of any modern gun
* Not much aftermarket
* Terrible resale - essentially disposable.
* Nothing to get excited about.
* Accuracy? Reliability? Parts support?
* Pride of ownership? Nah.

For 2-4 times that on the new market (and less at used prices), you get:
* Gorgeous and well thought out styling and ergos
* Simple disassembly
* Total reliability and great accuracy
* Great aftermarket
* Pride of ownership

YeetSquatch 06-24-2019 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leadcounsel (Post 19603388)
For $200 you're getting:
* Horrible ergonomics
* Horrible trigger
* Ugly as sin
* Heavy and blocky
* Among worst take-down of any modern gun
* Not much aftermarket
* Terrible resale - essentially disposable.
* Nothing to get excited about.
* Accuracy? Reliability? Parts support?
* Pride of ownership? Nah.

For 2-4 times that on the new market (and less at used prices), you get:
* Gorgeous and well thought out styling and ergos
* Simple disassembly
* Total reliability and great accuracy
* Great aftermarket
* Pride of ownership

I can tell you didnt watch the video cause YEET cannon Gen 2 gun solves most of those issues. Besides not everyone can be wealthy and afford those high dollar guns you are talking about. Many of us are saddled with student debt so the YEET cannon is the right gun at the right time for young millenials

Area Man 06-24-2019 02:52 PM

Just like everything else in the world, when you post about anything in a forum, you're gonna get opinions. And a lot of people have a low opinion of the Hi-Point, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I don't like Glocks, and love Rugers. Just sharing that can throw a thread into a tizzy.

I don't like this whole "yeet" or "yee-yee" thing either, but I'm becoming a little more curmudgeony as the days go by.

At least it's not a Taurus . . .

justin22885 06-24-2019 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leadcounsel (Post 19603388)
For $200 you're getting:
* Horrible ergonomics
* Horrible trigger
* Ugly as sin
* Heavy and blocky
* Among worst take-down of any modern gun
* Not much aftermarket
* Terrible resale - essentially disposable.
* Nothing to get excited about.
* Accuracy? Reliability? Parts support?
* Pride of ownership? Nah.

For 2-4 times that on the new market (and less at used prices), you get:
* Gorgeous and well thought out styling and ergos
* Simple disassembly
* Total reliability and great accuracy
* Great aftermarket
* Pride of ownership

or for the same price as a hi point you get a star BM.. same caliber, same barrel length, same capacity, with the ergos and styling of a 1911, great trigger, and great reliability

Israel Putnam 06-24-2019 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22885 (Post 19603448)
or for the same price as a hi point you get a star BM.. same caliber, same barrel length, same capacity, with the ergos and styling of a 1911, great trigger, and great reliability

This again?
Again you are suggesting someone go buy an out of production handgun with little to zero aftermarket support and zero factory support.

You really think the guys buying HiPoints are professional grade gunsmiths like you are and will be manufacturing spare parts for their outdated Star?

C'mon...
For the $200 or a little over (the cost of a Star BM on todays open market) one can find a used current production handgun.
Just because you like to carry Maks and Stars doesn't mean it's a good idea for anyone else, it's actually probably not a good idea for anyone in todays market.
Used M&P's in .40 can be had for $225 and I got an email from someone the other day closing out Remington 1911's for under $400 new...
New Walther Creeds for $250 at CDNN.

Israel Putnam 06-24-2019 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Area Man (Post 19603432)
Just like everything else in the world, when you post about anything in a forum, you're gonna get opinions. And a lot of people have a low opinion of the Hi-Point, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I don't like Glocks, and love Rugers. Just sharing that can throw a thread into a tizzy.

I don't like this whole "yeet" or "yee-yee" thing either, but I'm becoming a little more curmudgeony as the days go by.

At least it's not a Taurus . . .

The Yeet thing is just as idiotic as the "rock out with your Glock out" phrase that I'm glad to see has pretty much died.

Nomad, 2nd 06-24-2019 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leadcounsel (Post 19602472)
A High Point? Really? In 2019? Not. A. Chance. It's the ugliest gun I've ever seen in the modern era. It's like they purposefully made the hardest gun to disassemble and the ugliest gun imaginable.

I bought a near new Glock last week for $325. I've seen Glocks, Kahrs, Sigs, HKs, FNs, SWs, Rugers, and other top tier guns in the $300-400 range.

Ally?

2nd and 3rd gen Smith semi's and Ruger P series <$250

YeetSquatch 06-24-2019 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomad, 2nd (Post 19603898)
2nd and 3rd gen Smith semi's and Ruger P series <$250

I like the Ruger American pistol. I wonder if I could get YEET Cannon engraved for $25 or so. I could swing that.

0002S 06-24-2019 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YeetSquatch (Post 19603904)
I like the Ruger American pistol. I wonder if I could get YEET Cannon engraved for $25 or so. I could swing that.

Nightvisionary knows where you can get it done for $20. PM him.

justin22885 06-24-2019 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Israel Putnam (Post 19603838)
This again?
Again you are suggesting someone go buy an out of production handgun with little to zero aftermarket support and zero factory support.

You really think the guys buying HiPoints are professional grade gunsmiths like you are and will be manufacturing spare parts for their outdated Star?

C'mon...
For the $200 or a little over (the cost of a Star BM on todays open market) one can find a used current production handgun.
Just because you like to carry Maks and Stars doesn't mean it's a good idea for anyone else, it's actually probably not a good idea for anyone in todays market.
Used M&P's in .40 can be had for $225 and I got an email from someone the other day closing out Remington 1911's for under $400 new...
New Walther Creeds for $250 at CDNN.

over a hi point? hell yeah

harbinger1972 06-25-2019 12:53 AM

What the hell's a yeet?

justin22885 06-25-2019 03:47 AM

a cross between a yam and a beet maybe?

Israel Putnam 06-25-2019 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harbinger1972 (Post 19604446)
What the hell's a yeet?

Something little kids scream as they are outside irritating their neighbors.
And it seems itís also something little kids find amusing when they ďgrow upĒ.
Something ďadultsĒ with a 12 year olds mentality finds funny, supposedly has something to do with a dance or some **** I never cared enough to look up.

In a nutshell, itís simply an immature saying that in a couple weeks will be forgotten and laughed at like all the rubes with those big Git R Done stickers on the windshields on their rustbucket pickups.

Israel Putnam 06-25-2019 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin22885 (Post 19604278)
over a hi point? hell yeah

A least the LoPointe has a warranty...

Disturbed70 06-25-2019 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YeetSquatch (Post 19603356)
That poor accuracy sounds like the shooter not the gun. My buddy JB welded a burris fastfire red dot onto his hi point 9mm and that thing will shoot silver dollar sized groups at 25 yds with Tula 9mm ammo all day long. Once you master the trigger its a lazer beam

If you are talking about a pistol, I'll call BS on that all day long. A silver dollar is 1.5 inches across. Even the best match-grade 1911's that can reliably shoot a group that size at 25 yds are extremely rare, and they aren't doing it with Tula ammo. The X-ring on a B8 target is 1.695 inches across...about 0.2 inches larger than a silver dollar. The number of human beings alive that can reliably shoot 100 10x at 25 yds, with a handgun, is miniscule. NONE of them are doing it with a HiPoint, and NONE of them are doing it with Tula ammo.


Considering that I regularly shoot 1 inch pasters at 10 yds, with a stock Glock, and many of the shooters in the class were doing the same, I can assure you it wasn't the shooters.

justin22885 06-25-2019 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Israel Putnam (Post 19604528)
A least the LoPointe has a warranty...

it'll need it when the materials begin to break down, give me steel without a warranty over pot metal with it any day

Tactical Lever 06-25-2019 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YeetSquatch (Post 19603412)
I can tell you didnt watch the video cause YEET cannon Gen 2 gun solves most of those issues. Besides not everyone can be wealthy and afford those high dollar guns you are talking about. Many of us are saddled with student debt so the YEET cannon is the right gun at the right time for young millenials

I can assure you that I'm not wealthy, nor a brand snob, and I love some cheap guns, and lower priced optics.

But some junk is best left on the shelf. And there is a ton of stuff out there now that is really affordable and not total crap. Just about all the manufacturers make an "entry level" gun. Probably going to have plastic sights, a horrible trigger, look like it was pried from a mis-matched play dough mould from E-bay. But most of them are likely to be reliable, and built OK.

But I wouldn't touch a Hi Point, Kel-Tec, Seacamp, or Charter Arms. Or Savage Axis (mainly too much work to make it "nice"). Or the now Henry produced AR-7 survival rifle, because it's not made to last.

I'd take a look at the S&W M&P 1st gen if you can live with the not as good as the 2nd gen trigger. Or maybe a Ruger SR9. I think there's a less expensive "American" or something now. As well as S&W SD9VE which is a pretty cheap gun.

And the Turkish guns are an outstanding value also. At least some of them. You can pick up a Sarsilmaz with nitrided (?) slide, stainless barrel, highly polished feed ramp, and all around nicely made for probably $50 more than the Kel-Tec.

Also there are used and surplus. Like old Rossi revolvers, or a surplus Tokarev TT-33. Built like a tank, triggers probably like steering one, and crude sights, but built to last. Available cheap, and fits in most 1911 holsters.

Tactical Lever 06-25-2019 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomad, 2nd (Post 19603898)
2nd and 3rd gen Smith semi's and Ruger P series <$250

Good call on the P series. Ruger will perform the firing pin recall free of charge on the older P85 if it wasn't done.

I had a P89 (I think it was the 89) DC in stainless. It was big, but a nice gun. Very well built. Mine was pretty slick; I could inertia rack the slide under a decocked hammer with mine.

InOmaha 06-25-2019 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Israel Putnam (Post 19604528)
A least the LoPointe has a warranty...

It's literally the only gun you can use as a boat anchor for a while, send it in to the manufacturer, and get a new one back with an extra magazine. :thumb:

Tactical Lever 06-25-2019 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InOmaha (Post 19605210)
It's literally the only gun you can use as a boat anchor for a while, send it in to the manufacturer, and get a new one back with an extra magazine. :thumb:

Is that because they come in looking like regular factory defects? :upsidedown:

billwilla 06-25-2019 01:11 PM

While I really like my Hi-Point carbine, I don't like the pistol which I bought after seeing how great the carbine was. The problem with the pistol isn't that it isn't reliable or even reasonably accurate, just bulky & unbalanced. Is it ugly? Sure, but unlike all the people on here who seem to be worried about how their gun looks vs. how it performs, I prefer function over form. The Glock is ugly as hell, but I've come to love them, even if I still think they are ugly. When the 1911's came out many old timers thought they were ugly too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the saying goes. Does the Hi-Point work? Yes & better than at least 1/2 the more expensive guns on the market. While I might be tempted to get another carbine, I'll stick to Glock for my go to SHTF gun, not because the Hi-Point isn't reliable or accurate but mainly due to bulk & lack of capacity.


Revmgt 06-25-2019 01:17 PM

They made it lighter so when it breaks and you have to throw it at the bad guy you get better distance


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