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#41 ·
Drgnflys said:
Non fossil fuel is a fantasy? According to whom? Better not tell all the preppers on this site using solar, or germany! Germany gets 26-50% (depending on how you crunch the numbers of course) of it's electricity from solar, Ireland gets 50% of it's electricity from wind. Germany also hit a one day record of 78% electrical production from solar. Let me remind you that Germany does not get a high rate sunshine days, likened to
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A size perspective.

Ireland. Population 4.6 million

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Germany. Population 81 million.

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California population 39 million.

Germany gets half its electricity from solar panels? Not hardly. They did that for one hour. But wait! Then night fell and they got ZERO from solar and had to resort to demon COAL.
It was announced on May 30,2011 that Germany would close all nuclear plants by 2022
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http://www.theenergycollective.com/...robertwilson190/456961/reality-check-germany-does-not-get-half-its-energy-solar
 
Discussion starter · #42 ·
Drgnflys said:
In reply to Blank102:

Non fossil fuel is a fantasy? According to whom? Better not tell all the preppers on this site using solar, or germany! Germany gets 26-50% (depending on how you crunch the numbers of course) of it's electricity from solar, Ireland gets 50% of it's electricity from wind. Germany also hit a one day record of 78% electrical production from solar. Let me remind you that Germany does not get a high rate sunshine days, likened to Oregon IIRC.
As far as our import rates OPEC countries -35%
Persian Gulf countries- 20%, with Saudi giving us about 13% of those percentages alone. Remember Saudi helps set the base price of oil. And, if you were not aware the U.S just allowed for legal exportation of oil drilled in the U.S, lifting a 40 year ban, so expect some changes. Also, the fossil fuel companies halted alternative fuel development for many years, imagine how much further ahead we would be if that tech hadn't been stalled?
Blank102, Here's a few impossibilities:
Denmark in 2014, getting 39.1 percent of its overall electricity via alternative clean energy sources.
UK wind power is 9+% of electricity production.
Scotland, produced enough wind energy in 2014 to supply 164% of all homes, guess they are living an impossible dream huh? Not only that, wind energy production was enough for 98% of all homes. Scotland easily surpasses renewable energy needs for all resident by 162%
The aforementioned countries have limited resources as compared to the US, why are we so far behind you ask? Well, fossil fuel companies spend multiple millions every year to keep Americans ignorant of the facts. Heck the Kock brothers alone have many think tanks designed to "condition" people, every day. I think Blank102 ia a victim of said "conditioning."
I'll leave a list of Koch brother funded facilities at the bottom.

I think you need to come out of you're "special hidy hole" there Blank102 and take a look at the real world, or at least give it a try ; )



Quote via Blank102 "And if we are the b*****s of the Koch bros. does that mean you and your ilk are the b*****s of Geaorge Soros?"
WOW, I thought I placed a fairly objective no sides taken statement there with a little humor, no need to go off all A-holish there son. Maybe you're one of those meat puppets on the fossil fuel company payroll? If not why the big show of you're backside?
I am undecided as to wether global warming is 100% fact.
I agree with Martinc as to why I personally want to see renewable energy, it's this simple.
Goals which I find laudable:
1. Pollute less.
2. Change our society to make our processes more sustainable and less damaging to the environment.
3. Having a fresh atmosphere for us to breathe.


Funded at one time or recently by the Koch brothers, Blank201, you didn't stand a chance with these guys influencing US., source sourcewatch.org
American Legislative Exchange Council
Cato Institute
Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation
George Mason University
George Mason University Foundation, Inc.
Heritage Foundation
Institute for Justice
Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment
Reason Foundation
Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies
Institute for Humane Studies
Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy
Washington Legal Foundation
Capital Research Center
Competitive Enterprise Institute
Ethics and Public Policy Center, Inc.
National Center for Policy Analysis
Citizens for Congressional Reform Foundation
Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, Inc.
Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty
Political Economy Research Center, Inc.
Media Institute
National Foundation for Teaching Entrepreneurship
University of Chicago
Defenders of Property Rights
University of Kansas Endowment Assocation
Texas Public Policy Foundation
Center for Individual Rights
Heartland Institute
Texas Justice Foundation
Institute for Policy Innovation
Center of the American Experiment
Atlas Economic Research Foundation
Young America's Foundation
Henry Hazlitt Foundation
Atlantic Legal Foundation
National Taxpayers Union Foundation
Families Against Mandatory Minimums
Philanthropy Roundtable
Free Enterprise Institute
John Locke Foundation
Hudson Institute, Inc.
Alexis de Tocqueville Institution
National Environmental Policy Institute
Washington University
Pacific Legal Foundation
American Council for Capital Formation
Institute for Political Economy
State Policy Network
Fraser Institute
Mackinac Center
Institute for Research on the Economics of Taxation
Institute for Objectivist Studies
Americans for Prosperity Bill of Rights Institute
Mercatus Center
Whitman College
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And the people that your puppet master Soros funds?
 
#43 ·
Blank102, your so easy, LOL!! I've only read a bit about Soro's, but it all seemed like a bunch of "hear say" aka BS. If you have a worth while article, drop it on me, I'm always willing to learn.
Lagnar, Germany 81 million people, approximately 1/4th the population of America squeezed into an area the roughly the size of Montana, who has more resources? Germany or the US!? Come on man, using population figures is a joke at best. America FAR out rank's Germany in size and resources, are you implying that America is a pathetic,sick and feeble country? That America, the richest country in the world cannot equal a country that is a smidge bigger than Montana, ROFL!!!
Quote from Lagner Germany gets half its electricity from solar panels? Not hardly. They did that for one hour. But wait! Then night fell and they got ZERO from solar and had to resort to demon COAL." there you go again making ridiculous comments.... Did you some how think solar power works at night? I didn't, I do know the wind doesn't stop blowing, water doesn't stop flowing, and biomass doesn't stop decomposing at night, apparently you didn't know this? I did CLEARLY state they got 78% of their electricity FOR ONE DAY, must have missed that one huh? Heck, you two probably didn't even know America already gets about 13% of it's power from renewable sources, so, it is FAR from impossible to go to a mostly renewable energy production system. What are you two afraid of? Are two worried that fossil fuel companies might NOT pollute ALL of our water? Did you two know California uses waste water from oil drilling and fracking to water some of Americas farm crops? Does that sound good to you two? We don't even know what chemicals are in that water. http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2015/08/organic-crops-can-be-irrigated-fracking-wastewater You two are going to be good for some laughs, I urge you two to bring a better game or stay at home with the kiddies ; )
 
#45 ·
Drgnflys said:
Blank102, your so easy, LOL!!
Lagnar, Germany 81 million people, approximately 1/4th the population of America squeezed into an area the roughly the size of Montana, who has more resources? Germany or the US!? Come on man, using population figures is a joke at best. America FAR out rank's Germany in size and resources, are you implying that America is a pathetic,sick and feeble country? That America, the richest country in the world cannot equal a country that is a smidge bigger than Montana, ROFL!!!
Quote from LAgner Germany gets half its electricity from solar panels? Not hardly. They did that for one hour. But wait! Then night fell and they got ZERO from solar and had to resort to demon COAL." there you go again making ridiculous comments.... Did you some how think solar power works at night? I didn't. I did CLEARLY state they got 78% of their electricity FOR ONE DAY, must have missed that one huh? You two are going to be good for some laughs, I urge you two to bring a better game or stay at home with the kiddies ; )
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What is going on?
 
#46 ·
Drgnflys said:
Blank102, your so easy, LOL!!
Lagnar, Germany 81 million people, approximately 1/4th the population of America squeezed into an area the roughly the size of Montana, who has more resources? Germany or the US!? Come on man, using population figures is a joke at best. America FAR out rank's Germany in size and resources, are you implying that America is a pathetic,sick and feeble country? That America, the richest country in the world cannot equal a country that is a smidge bigger than Montana, ROFL!!!
Quote from LAgner Germany gets half its electricity from solar panels? Not hardly. They did that for one hour. But wait! Then night fell and they got ZERO from solar and had to resort to demon COAL." there you go again making ridiculous comments.... Did you some how think solar power works at night? I didn't. I did CLEARLY state they got 78% of their electricity FOR ONE DAY, must have missed that one huh? You two are going to be good for some laughs, I urge you two to bring a better game or stay at home with the kiddies ; )
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Yes America is bigger, richer, and we have a lot more very smart engineers and Geologists.
But we still have to follow the laws of physics, chemistry, and (horror) thermodynamics.

Before you study and understand these laws, every thing appears possible.
Once you understand them, you gain a different perspective.

I believe it would be very good for America to produce electrical power from renewable sources.
But I also recognize that current solar panel technology is far too expensive to accomplish this.

Does not mean we can not produce cleaner electric power. It just that solar panels are not a viable solution.

You might want to read up about the Coso Geothermal Project. It produces 270 megawatts 24/7/365. Its located on a US Navy base, yet it cost the US taxpayer nothing. Plus, they scrape enough gold off the turbine blades to pay for the maintenance.
http://en.openei.org/wiki/Coso_Geothermal_Area
 
#48 ·
Hick Industries
I realize solar is not the holy grail of renewable energy, and I wonder where you got that from my comments? I think Geothermal is an excellent way to obtain energy. We agree on both point's. I've even studied up on simple home geothermal use, seen in the earth ship homes and in some large green houses. But, I never indicated solar was the one and only. I certainly would include Geothermal,biomass,hydro, and solar.
I'm still hoping the Lead Iron graphine batteries come into fruition for a better and longer lasting storage system.
 
#50 ·
uglydukwling said:
Holocaust deniers are already prosecuted, so we're already on the slippery slope.
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The difference, of course, is that the Holocaust is proven to exist, and its cause easily demonstrated as a manmade phenomenon.

Still, they have a right to parade their ignorance and attract well-deserved ridicule, should they choose to tread that path.
 
#51 ·
Drgnflys said:
Hick Industries
I realize solar is not the holy grail of renewable energy, and I wonder where you got that from my comments? I think Geothermal is an excellent way to obtain energy. We agree on both point's. I've even studied up on simple home geothermal use, seen in the earth ship homes and in some large green houses. But, I never indicated solar was the one and only. I certainly would include Geothermal,biomass,hydro, and solar.
I'm still hoping the Lead Iron graphine batteries come into fruition for a better and longer lasting storage system.
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I am not ragging on solar power, just photo voltaic panels.
Your prior posting did not specify PV panels. In fact I found them somewhat disjointed.

We have already invented a far better, far cheaper method of capturing solar power. It called agriculture.

No reason to tie up valuable farm land or divert grain crops. We could produce enough liquid hydrocarbon fuel just by raising an oil rich algea on the surface of big city sewer ponds.

Btw, humans are good at producing electricity, but we are terrible at storing it.

Better to produce a renewable hydrocarbon fuel.
 
#52 ·
@ Hick Industries
I don't think we need to tie up farm land or divert grain crops for solar, we have plenty of real estate on our roof's.
As far as the oil rich algae, thanks for brining that up, I had forgotten about that resource. I admit, I have limited knowledge on algae grow needs and the required effort to produce fuel from this resource. Just another topic where I need more knowledge- I will look into it.
I agree with you're comment about the electricity storage issue, and as I mentioned in my previous post, I have high hopes for the graphene modified NiFe batteries. Stanford research has been developing a battery that can be charged and discharged 1000x faster then the original NiFe batteries, now they just need to create a battery with a much high energy density.
here's a link.
http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/june/ultrafast-edison-battery-062612.html

Just read this article on algae, http://www.oilgae.com/algae/oil/yield/yield.html
Appears promising.

Yields ( Gallons of oil per acre per year )
Corn 18
Soybeans 48
Safflower 83
Sunflower 102
Rapeseed 127
Oil Palm 635
Micro Algae 5000-15000

now I just need to find a feasibility study.

Update, looks like algae needs significantly more research and development before it's a via source of energy.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innov...ion/scientists-turn-algae-into-crude-oil-in-less-than-an-hour-180948282/?no-ist
 
#53 ·
Drgnflys said:
My big question, why so many people wish to remain dependent on foreign oil? Do my fellow Americans want Saudi Arabia running the show? Lets not forget, zero Iraqi's involved in 9/11, 14 Saudi Arabian terrorists and a Saudi Arabian elite directly involved. Anyone care to remind me why we didn't attack Saudi Arabia? Hint, oil...... Why we attacked Iraq, profit/Cheney/ Halliburton.
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You might want to actually research how much oil we really get from the Middle East, it is not as much as most think.
 
#57 ·
#58 ·
@Johnammo
Hopefully Obama's blocking of oil drilling will keep our future supply intact, funny how he protects our natural resources but is willing to gut our jobs and give big business rule over government with the TPP. The oil drilling block will not stop oil exportation to countries that pay a much higher price then we do, and lets not forget the grossly expanding chinese and Indian fuel needs that will start having a greater affect on us in the future.
 
#60 ·
Drgnflys said:
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You two are going to be good for some laughs, I urge you two to bring a better game or stay at home with the kiddies ; )
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You're raving.

I'm not against solar being a part of the whole energy package. (My BOL is 100% solar) Germany's mistake was that they are closing the door on nuclear, thinking that solar is the magic bullet. This means that during sub-optimal solar days they are going back to coal (lignite, look it up). If you read the link (you didn't), it stated the difficulties of balancing the grid when solar is fluctuating or not available.

The dirty little secret is that sufficient generation capacity STILL needs to exist for those cold, dark, cloudy winter days and nights when solar is not available.

You can't simply shut down your nukes and coal fired plants because you have some solar panels strewn about.

When somebody figures out a way to STORE excess solar capacity, then it will be a game changer.
 
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