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Hello,

I have read on many topics the discussion of GHBs, BOB's, Car preparedness, etc on these forums and the info is very helpful and informative. One issue that I have taken note of is the issue of storing water in a vehicle during the winter months. I wanted to share my personal experience.

In my area, Wal Mart has qty 32, 16.9oz Nestle bottled water for a little less than $4. I have personally tested these bottles in my deep freezer that is set at about -4 degrees Far. I have intentionally frozen them, and then thawed them, and then refrozen and rethawed the same bottles multiple times, to see just how they did through multiple freeze thaw cycles.

While I can't speak to all brands of bottled water, I can say that I have never had one failure. The bottle does expand, but the design of the bottle has enough "slack" built in that it does not break the seal. I started experimenting with this a number of years ago as I made car kits for my daughters, in case they were to be trapped on the interstate for a period of time, or trapped due to mechanical failure or wreck, and need to survive in their car for several days. I will elaborate in much more detail on this subject in a subsequent post, but in this thread, I wanted to share my very positive results as I have noticed a number of people who have specifically mentioned they do not keep water in their car due to freezing temperatures.

If you have had this concern, I would strongly recommend that you actually test it out either in a freezer, through multiple freeze / thaw cycles, or in your car in perhaps a ziplock bag in case the brand you try doesn't respond the way mine did, but not assume that it isn't an option without checking. I personally would never put together a car kit without a quantity of bottled water. There are simply too many circumstances where you may not have the option of going to find water due to location or physical ability / injury. And in my situation, I am making provision for a wife and young adult age daughters that don't have the knowledge or desire to obtain the knowledge to survive with a water filter.
 
Interesting to hear about these bottles physically performing well through freezing, since I've been buying water pouches to prevent this very issue. We know the risks of BPA, but I would be curious if anyone can add the discussion, the dangers of storing liquids in a PET bottle that repeatedly heats up and cools down over a period of time.
 
I had a couple flats of the 16.9 ounce bottles, sat out in everything from 120 above to 5 above... they were still fine. I think the flexibility of the bottles helped. I also use the 2.5 gallon "suitcases" out in my shop for fresh water - my "reserve" (sealed) has been through numerous freeze/thaws without apparent issue.

Just make sure wherever you store your water, if one breaks nothing underneath will get damaged or destroyed in case the container breaks.
 
I have a couple water bottles rolling around in my vehicle, they freeze outside and thaw in the garage several days a week. They've been rolling around on the floor for years, and don't appear to have lost any volume or been damaged in any meaningful way.

Good news for storage, bad news for the environment.
 
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LOL :I had a water bottle in my truck ,that froze last week.Just less than half full .I was driving around all day,heat on and off that water was less than half defrosted.When I got home,I guess you could cut the frozen water,out of the container and warm it with some portable stove.Drink it warm ,not to bad for a cold day.
 
I keep some bottled water in my vehicles. Never had an issue with any leaking. I store water in old plastic 2 liter soda containers with no problems. I did have problems with the gallon water jugs leaking that I had stored. The jugs would crack and leak after 1 year of storage. I dont have anymore of those jugs now.
 
I have had a few gallon jugs leak. Other smaller water bottles never an issue. Have had them frozen rock solid. I have had a 32oz nalgene bottle rolling around in my car for weeks in sub freezing and no leaks. And they take a major beating. I had one launch off my car roof stopping, missed the hood. Right on asphalt and tumbled about 20 feet. In winter weather. Dropped down steps to cement. And too many other to list. They're my stand by. Using the same on daily for almost 3 yrs
 
Store your water bottles in a small soft cooler and they mostly will not freeze except in extreme temperatures!

Anyone who parks in an attached garage will probably never have it freeze!

Mine partially froze last winter in the back of my truck since I park it in the barn. This year I added a small fleece blanket around the bottles inside the cooler to increase the insulation!

Frozen water as mentioned isn't overly useful!

SD
 
Sheepdog68 you have apparently never lived in Alaska or upstate NY or Minnesota. Water bottles freeze when it gets way below zero. We would keep water in jugs in our truck but never more than 3/4 full so they would not pop when expanded.

But I think some of you are right--gallon jugs are leaky, even when not frozen, after a year or so. But it's good to hear that the cheap plastic individual bottles (which I hate) do not spring leaks after cycles of freeze/thaw. Good thread!
 
I had bottles of water in my work truck that would do freeze thaw cycles daily for weeks at a time. They never broke but the plastic did get softer. Metal water bottles would freeze and deform the bottoms or just outright split the bottoms. (For some reason the tops never burst.) I would be curious about any plastic/chemical constituents migrating into the water. I also keep some water bottles stuffed under my back seats as singles. They get jammed in and don't roll around.
 
Store your water bottles in a small soft cooler and they mostly will not freeze except in extreme temperatures!

Anyone who parks in an attached garage will probably never have it freeze!

Mine partially froze last winter in the back of my truck since I park it in the barn. This year I added a small fleece blanket around the bottles inside the cooler to increase the insulation!

Frozen water as mentioned isn't overly useful!

SD
Define extreme?
 
I need to point out that frozen water is less than worthless if needed.

And it is time consuming and difficult to thaw in plastic bottles
This has always been my issue with storing water in the car. Even if I do keep some in there in the winter, I wouldn't be able to use it. I keep a gallon at work which I can fill my bottles to get me home 20 miles. If I'm going beyond that and out for the day or weekend, I'll put a couple of gallon jugs in the car but I don't leave them in there beyond that trip.
 
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As usual, there are great thoughts by many on this subject. We all have differing strategies and thoughts on survival techniques. Remember, we don't all live in the same climate. What may not work in Maine may work very well in the south, and you may be surprised that it may work in some other locations that might not seem so at first consideration. A couple of things, however, I feel need to be rethought.

It is true that I live in TN, not Alaska or MN (although I have family in both). So while we have a lot of sub freezing weather, it isn't nearly what you that live in those type of areas experience. However, the statement has been made that frozen water is worthless. Let me explain why I disagree, and some strategies for addressing the substance that other than air, will kill you the quickest if you don't have it:

Scenario: Interstate blockage, winter storm blockage, undiscovered wreck with no cell service, etc. potentially with a young lady with little interest or knowledge in survival training.

1. The water bottles that I keep in my my, my wife's, and both my daughter's cars, are part of a much larger kit. That kit contains virtually everything they would need to live out of their car, especially when combined with what they would place in their car anyway, for 3 days in relative comfort. That includes a steel cup, and a way to cook or warm things in it. Someone pointed out that warm bottled water isn't the best. But keep in mind, you don't need to boil it, you just need to thaw it.

2. I suspect most all of us that are going to the trouble to keep water in the car also have a way to make a fire or provide heat in some way, which can be used to assist in thawing the water.

3. My goal is to keep the inside of that car relatively warm (50 F or above if feasible) for 3 days. One of several redundant methods I use to do so is to keep those large SUV tanks at no less than half full. Half full is considered empty in my family. Run intermittently (10 - 15 minutes an hour) 1/2 - full tank will last a long time in an idling vehicle. I have other methods of heat that I won't get into here in case the car motor won't run or heat fails. **Remember that snow, mud, etc around the tail pipe is a carbon monoxide death sentence. Always have a way to remove build up around the exhaust and inspect it regularly if you are stationary and running your vehicle**

4. Due to injury, location, potential threat, etc, it may be undesirable or even impossible to leave the vehicle and go "find" water. In those cases, a Lifestraw or water filter is indeed useless. I would much prefer to have water, even frozen water, and a way to thaw it, than 100% be reliant on having to go GET water.

5. I think we all believe in redundancy on this site. (One is none, two is one.) If one believes that keeping water in the vehicle is not your answer, be redundant. Keep bottled water as a back up to your other preferred method (water filter, rain gathering device, etc.) Having a few frozen bottles probably won't kill you, and they just may save your life if you are unable to hike to find a water source, or your preferred method fails for some reason.

4. For those of you who don't live in areas where it is below freezing for days or weeks at a time, my advice is don't assume that your bottled water will freeze instantly at 32 degrees. Numerous times I have checked my kit in the morning when the temps were in the 20's overnight and my water was not frozen. This is probably because it was insulated somewhat in my car, and somewhat by being surrounded in my emergency car kit. Honestly I have been quite surprised how many times it DIDN'T freeze.

I hope these thoughts help someone, and I certainly respect the thoughts and viewpoints of others.
 
I have a stack of cases of those little bottles in the garage as tall as I am (Ok, so that's not very tall. Laugh it up. : )) Not one has ever leaked. Freeze, thaw, weight of the other cases on top, nothing phases them. Also, four 55 gal blue drums on the back porch. Filled 3/4 full, protected from sun but not from cold. They've been just fine for nearing 10 yrs. Watch out for sun, that's the great killer of plastics. UV rays break it down.
 
I have bottled water all over my explorer. Some intentional in car kit and others rolling around from work. I have not had any blow out, and they have gone through a lot of freeze cycles. I usually get my water from dollar general when its on sale. I think they are clover valley brand or something like that
 
Define extreme?
Tell me what cooler you have and what the temperature is in your garage?

Yes if you park out long enough in cold enough temperature it will eventually freeze.

Things you can control!

Where you park, is cooler inside vehicle where the heater is running when ever you are driving, how good is your cooler, did you insulate inside the cooler ect!

If I was in extremely cool weather (weather cold enough to freeze with plan mentioned) I'd consider taking the water in at night to regain room temperature or every couple days dropping a hot water bottle in the cooler to help keep things from freezing.

It's really pretty easy to keep it from freezing even in sub zero (F) temperatures if that is your goal!

SD
 
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