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Fiji as an example of a government that dosent control its population. Places in Africa where the leadership changes hands on a whim?

They don't have more freedom than a country with a government that has more control.

Personally comparing one extremist to another is kind of silly ideological posturing. You want a moderate government. Because it has to manage a population that comprises of different ideologies.
IDK anything about Fiji so you'd have to help me with the comparison to their not controlling their population and We here in AmeriKa who are under authoritarian rule. As for places in Africa, who controls their commerce? IIRC, the Africans wanted the colonialists to leave, so they did, and the countries, especially South Africa, have gone to hell. But they want to control their own govt and I agree that they should.

I'm not comparing extremists. I'm saying the Dems and GOP are largely the same with the same end goals and that Communism, Fascism, and Marxism are all basically authoritarian and lead to the same ends which is totalitarianism.
 
IDK anything about Fiji so you'd have to help me with the comparison to their not controlling their population and We here in AmeriKa who are under authoritarian rule. As for places in Africa, who controls their commerce? IIRC, the Africans wanted the colonialists to leave, so they did, and the countries, especially South Africa, have gone to hell. But they want to control their own govt and I agree that they should.

I'm not comparing extremists. I'm saying the Dems and GOP are largely the same with the same end goals and that Communism, Fascism, and Marxism are all basically authoritarian and lead to the same ends which is totalitarianism.
Ok. In that case you are kind of right. Moderate governments do reality based leadership. Left or right they go against their principles to get the job done.

Hardliners left or right will take an ideological stance over a practical solution and will quite often make a huge mess of it from ultra conservative isis to anarchist hippy communes.

Fiji has constant political instability and even a few coups. Quite often it seems there is nobody in charge.
 
Ok. In that case you are kind of right. Moderate governments do reality based leadership. Left or right they go against their principles to get the job done.
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Hardliners left or right will take an ideological stance over a practical solution and will quite often make a huge mess of it from ultra conservative isis to anarchist hippy communes.
I agree with the above but, I do not like the term anarchist to be used to describe hippy communes because there are a lot of anarchists who do not participate in hippy communes. Plus, hippy communes can adopt a plethora of different ideologies. That is just a way to discredit anarchism and slur it's true meaning. :thumb: Kinda like when rioters get out of control and TPTB and the paid for media like to refer to them as anarchists which they aren't. They are in fact 'criminals' by the very fact they are destroying property and interfering with the ability of other people to go about their normal business unencumbered. Therefore imposing their will upon the rights of others. Criminals, not anarchists. There's a reason authoritarian govt. likes to pervert the term Anarchist. :)

Fiji has constant political instability and even a few coups. Quite often it seems there is nobody in charge.
But the population is free? If so, then they should be able to go about their lives merrily while their govt goes helter skelter (hippy commune). :D:
 
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I agree with the above but, I do like the term anarchist to be used to describe hippy communes because there are a lot of anarchists who do not participate in hippy communes. Plus, hippy communes can adopt a plethora of different ideologies. That is just a way to discredit anarchism and slur it's true meaning. :thumb: Kinda like when rioters get out of control and TPTB and the paid for media like to refer to them as anarchists which they aren't. They are in fact 'criminals' by the very fact they are destroying property and interfering with the ability of other people to go about their normal business unencumbered. Therefore imposing their will upon the rights of others. Criminals, not anarchists. There's a reason authoritarian govt. likes to pervert the term Anarchist. :)



But the population is free? If so, then they should be able to go about their lives merrily while their govt goes helter skelter (hippy commune). :D:
How do you consider an anarchist as a criminal? If they choose to follow their own rules. That makes them an anarchist.

Hippy communes were not really free. The ones that lacked structure became an oportunity for opression. Think of it like road rules. It is opression. But in general they provide more freedom to use the road than if we remove them.
 
How do you consider an anarchist as a criminal? If they choose to follow their own rules. That makes them an anarchist.
I do not consider anarchists criminals. I consider rioters criminals and not anarchists. Anarchists believe in no govt. kinda like atheists believe in no god.

Hippy communes were not really free. The ones that lacked structure became an oportunity for opression. Think of it like road rules. It is opression. But in general they provide more freedom to use the road than if we remove them.
I agree. They just established their own form of govt. and some of it very oppressive. That is because Communism (a classless society) does not work. Because most people are lazy and if they do not need to be responsible for creating their own basic needs, for their survival, they will let someone else do it.


Here are the two definitions of Anarchy. I'm referring to the 2nd type. Although I see certain cities here in the US that are plagued with the first type like Detroit, Chicago, LA, and Oakland, Ca. Interestingly, these 'dens of iniquity' were birthed from Democrat (LEFTIST) politicians and ideologies.


Definition of anarchy in English:

noun


1A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority:
‘he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy’


1.1Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.


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One more thing that comes to mind while thinking of the evils of leftist policies is the complete disdain Progressives have for their fellow man. They think them so weak and helpless that they are naturally incapable of helping themselves without the interference of govt. This attitude is the epitome of arrogance since they believe themselves so superior as to be able to decide how the lives of their fellow citizens should be structured and that if not for govt., these miscreants would be completely incapable of chiseling out a suitable existence for themselves. But one only has to look to the plight of the black man here in the US after generations of Progressive (leftist) policies. It has merely changed who their master is. The blacks used to have very strong family ties and now 75% of the black youth are raised in single parent households. We all know how high their incarceration rate is. Another glaring example of leftist politics gone terribly wrong.
 
It has three branches running at once under the guideline of a constitution. That then filter through the states that filter through local government.

It is a lot of government there you could get rid off.

I mean do you really need state government? If you said yes then you are a liberal who loves their large government.
It's the state governments we need and not the bloated federal government we have.

Do you really need your state governments? After all they have their own constitutions, legislature, judiciary and executive branches.
 
It's the state governments we need and not the bloated federal government we have.

Do you really need your state governments? After all they have their own constitutions, legislature, judiciary and executive branches.
Exactly and that was the way we were set up so if one didn't like the way their state was going, they could walk with their feet.
 
It's the state governments we need and not the bloated federal government we have.

Do you really need your state governments? After all they have their own constitutions, legislature, judiciary and executive branches.
With the state governments in charge would you become like Europe as a best case scenario.

Who decides who runs the country?
 
I do not consider anarchists criminals. I consider rioters criminals and not anarchists. Anarchists believe in no govt. kinda like atheists believe in no god.



I agree. They just established their own form of govt. and some of it very oppressive. That is because Communism (a classless society) does not work. Because most people are lazy and if they do not need to be responsible for creating their own basic needs, for their survival, they will let someone else do it.


Here are the two definitions of Anarchy. I'm referring to the 2nd type. Although I see certain cities here in the US that are plagued with the first type like Detroit, Chicago, LA, and Oakland, Ca. Interestingly, these 'dens of iniquity' were birthed from Democrat (LEFTIST) politicians and ideologies.


Definition of anarchy in English:

noun


1A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority:
‘he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy’


1.1Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

One more thing that comes to mind while thinking of the evils of leftist policies is the complete disdain Progressives have for their fellow man. They think them so weak and helpless that they are naturally incapable of helping themselves without the interference of govt. This attitude is the epitome of arrogance since they believe themselves so superior as to be able to decide how the lives of their fellow citizens should be structured and that if not for govt., these miscreants would be completely incapable of chiseling out a suitable existence for themselves. But one only has to look to the plight of the black man here in the US after generations of Progressive (leftist) policies. It has merely changed who their master is. The blacks used to have very strong family ties and now 75% of the black youth are raised in single parent households. We all know how high their incarceration rate is. Another glaring example of leftist politics gone terribly wrong.
One of the issues with the hippy commune was that the week were not protected. No structure in place.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/08/03/us/excesses-blamed-for-demise-of-the-commune-movement.html
Isn't capitalism ideally supposed to be a classless society? Obviously it dosent work like that in practice because winners have more advantage than losers. In that if I am rich it is easier to get richer.

How could you define someone as a criminal with an absence of government and complete freedom?
 
Well under Bush Jr, we got a huge surge of Nationalism within the government.
Under Obama we got a huge surge of Socialism within the government.

It is in the cards, its a given. National Socialism. Larger the population becomes the more a heavy hand will be used against them. But for true "Fascism" though, look south to us at Mexico, contrary to popular belief that country is far from Socialist, rather it is Fascist, we are not headed int hat direction, but it is a reason why people from there are headed towards us.
 
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How could you define someone as a criminal with an absence of government and complete freedom?
A 'criminal' is one who forces their will upon your person or property without your permission, usually inflicting some kind of harm. Criminals function with or without govt and mostly WITHIN govt. Since our representatives seek advantage at our expense.
 
The fascism label sure gets thrown around a lot. Everyone wants to associate their political opponents with that most reviled of 20th century ideologies. The linked article includes a 'definition' of fascism as a right-wing system of government and social organization.

What bull****.

In another thread I posted the platform of the German nazi party of 1920, here's a few interesting elements from it:

We demand that the State make it its duty to provide opportunities of employment first of all for its own Citizens. If it is not possible to maintain the entire population of the State, then foreign nationals (non-Citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
Government as a nativist employer of last resort. Doesn't sound very right wing to me. Sounds more marxist with a bit of racism salted on it.

It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.
Everybody must work for the common good is right wing? Sounds a little more Obama Progressive than right wing to me.

The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Well that's a weird one that's bound to **** off just about everybody. I certainly wouldn't call it right wing though.

We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
That sounds a lot more like Bernie Sanders than Mitt Romney.

We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
Feel the Bern.

We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
Right wingnuts usually talk about abolishing social security not expanding it.

We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
It's Bernie with lederhosen again.

Pretty much all the economic policies of the nazis were marxist. There's not one element in their party patform that even remotely resembles something that would come from the Austrian school. Everything for them is about smart people being in charge and controlling everyone else for the benefit of society as a whole.

The thing is that the left in America is obsessed with associating the political right with racism. So that's how they arrive at the nazis being right wing. But they weren't. The nazis were left wing racists and nativists. That's something a modern lefty has trouble comprehending since modern leftism is so anti-racist. But times do change. Back then the progressives in America were bigtime champions of eugenics, something modern progressives would certainly never admit too. Well, usually anyway.
 
A 'criminal' is one who forces their will upon your person or property without your permission, usually inflicting some kind of harm. Criminals function with or without govt and mostly WITHIN govt. Since our representatives seek advantage at our expense.
Only by your definition of the rules. Which anarchists don't have.
 
The fascism label sure gets thrown around a lot. Everyone wants to associate their political opponents with that most reviled of 20th century ideologies. The linked article includes a 'definition' of fascism as a right-wing system of government and social organization.

What bull****.

In another thread I posted the platform of the German nazi party of 1920, here's a few interesting elements from it:



Government as a nativist employer of last resort. Doesn't sound very right wing to me. Sounds more marxist with a bit of racism salted on it.



Everybody must work for the common good is right wing? Sounds a little more Obama Progressive than right wing to me.



Well that's a weird one that's bound to **** off just about everybody. I certainly wouldn't call it right wing though.



That sounds a lot more like Bernie Sanders than Mitt Romney.



Feel the Bern.



Right wingnuts usually talk about abolishing social security not expanding it.



It's Bernie with lederhosen again.

Pretty much all the economic policies of the nazis were marxist. There's not one element in their party patform that even remotely resembles something that would come from the Austrian school. Everything for them is about smart people being in charge and controlling everyone else for the benefit of society as a whole.

The thing is that the left in America is obsessed with associating the political right with racism. So that's how they arrive at the nazis being right wing. But they weren't. The nazis were left wing racists and nativists. That's something a modern lefty has trouble comprehending since modern leftism is so anti-racist. But times do change. Back then the progressives in America were bigtime champions of eugenics, something modern progressives would certainly never admit too. Well, usually anyway.
Neo Nazis identify themselves as right wing.

But I did like the mental gymnastics.
 
Only by your definition of the rules. Which anarchists don't have.
Your rights stop when mine begin. It's not about rules. You violate my space or my property, you're a criminal in any book. Except an authoritarian govt. who violates everyone's rights socially and economically.

AND, you're just being contrary for the sake of argument. Must be a boring night there. Lol :rolleyes:
 
Neo Nazis identify themselves as right wing.

But I did like the mental gymnastics.
Say's who? Them? Just cause they say something doesn't make it true. They're just ignorant extremists trying to convince and initiate the unlearned and vulnerable to suit their own racist and authoritarian agenda.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.
What we're headed towards is socialism/communism. Totally different animal.
Incorrect! We're already deep into Fascism, Communism and Marxism.
 
Your rights stop when mine begin. It's not about rules. You violate my space or my property, you're a criminal in any book. Except an authoritarian govt. who violates everyone's rights socially and economically.

AND, you're just being contrary for the sake of argument. Must be a boring night there. Lol :rolleyes:
What if we both have equal claim to something then my rights stop past where yours begin. The fence falls down. Who fixes it?

And are we discussing what an anarchist is or just your views on stuff.
 
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