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#61 ·
I also live in LA and for some people miltary clothes and camo is a fashion statement. Every kind of person you can find in America can be found in LA.
If you start running around in Camo and 511 gear after SHTF you won't be alone.
Go to an Army surplus store in LA they are busy.
Last, California may be an anti-gun liberal state but there is still a significant number of gun lovers - I would bet millions of firearms sell in Ca;. every year.
Thousands and thousands of AR15 style rifles - they just have a 10 round mag. and a button.
 
#62 ·
Great thread

Lots of good opinions.

I switched from a single stack 45 (Springfield XDS) to a double stack (H&K P-30 in 40 cal)

I didn't read the article, but, I think "skill sets" will keep you alive overall.

I do have to mention I travel for a living and can't carry a weapon on the road. When I'm home I have my wife and family to carry logistically.
(One son is a former Army Ranger and the other is a prolific hunter (weapons trained by the Ranger)

I don't care what anybody has in their BOB. My son has served 2 tours in Afghanistan as a ranger, my other son was in a gunfight while trying to be robbed an prevailed hands down. I have served three combat tours and have never fired a shot. (Though I have seen many casualties in battle)

People, I have said this many times, get weapons, get training, get ready. The get more training, and more, and more.

Regardless of how much training you get, you never know how you will react when confronted. It is a learned behavior that thugs unfortunately have had forced on them.

Get hard, learn how not to be a target.

Good luck.

Semore
 
#63 ·
Sorry to resurrect an old thread

I think realistically speaking 3 litres of water limit would be a guess for a walk time for more than a 3-4 hours in any direction where you have a vehicle stashed for safe keeping

Average unfit person can walk 15km in an hour and a bit so 15-45 km is doable within a 3 hour period..

On a desert crossing on some type of motorised transport you might consume 3 litres in 3-5 hours. Walking you would. Likely consume 1-2 litres per hour per 5 km you walk added with the heat of the day distance will be shorter and shorter distances you travel..
Being realistic you would likely be dead if you had to hoof it..
 
#64 ·
Redlineshooter said:
Sorry to resurrect an old thread

I think realistically speaking 3 litres of water limit would be a guess for a walk time for more than a 3-4 hours in any direction where you have a vehicle stashed for safe keeping

Average unfit person can walk 15km in an hour and a bit so 15-45 km is doable within a 3 hour period..

On a desert crossing on some type of motorised transport you might consume 3 litres in 3-5 hours. Walking you would. Likely consume 1-2 litres per hour per 5 km you walk added with the heat of the day distance will be shorter and shorter distances you travel..
Being realistic you would likely be dead if you had to hoof it..
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A Km coverts to about .6 miles. So you are suggesting an unfit person can travel (15 Km = 9 miles) in one hour. I guess I have slowed down some, but the best pace I can keep up is 3 mph.

I been living in a desert for over 30 yrs. One liter per hour will keep you alive, but if you try and move during the day, you are still dehydrating. Hydrate or die is not just a marketing slogan.

A fit person can barely make it over ten miles, no matter how much water they start with, so I agree with your statement that this person would likely be dead if they tried to hoof it.
 
#65 ·
I couldn't get through the whole article. The author of that fantasy piece is an idiot ... another anonymous blogging buffoon who thinks he's correct in all his assumptions, while denigrating those who choose to be prepared. He fails to take into account the most probable survival scenario in/around LA ... a major earthquake. When (not if) a big quake hits, he can use his $5,100 in cash to pay someone to save him from the panic stricken masses who will do anything to survive, including looting and sundry violence. And his fancy collection of acronyms won't help him a bit when faced with legally armed citizenry or illegally armed BGs.
 
#66 ·
Hick I'm talking about km traveled not speed you can physically walk...

My guess I have walked aprox 1 hour and a bit and covered aprox 15 km in walking distance roughly about nine miles or a bit further

Mind you that was about 10 years ago, today I doubt I could walk half that distance with all the health issues I got..
Now walking 9-10 miles across a city scape is possible in a 1-3 hour period...
Though you will tend to drink more the hotter it gets..

I live in Australia and the average summer temp is 35-45c , I would not attempt walking in the heat of the day you. Would excert to much...

Whilst the article might be full of bs the reality there I some logic to it though crossing a desert isn't one of them you would likely die without adequate food and water.
High protein bars are not a solution for a many day walk across a desert anyone who claims they can cross a desert where you have 500+ miles between cities is barking mad...

Yes you might be able survive a trip like that if you had the health , the average unfit couch potato would be dead in a week without a vehicle in use...


I think the person in the article hasn't researched well enough what would be a basic load out of what you would need in a urban environment vs crossing a desert..

I was born in a desert community and only the village idiots would do stupid things this article promotes...
If you want to bug out on your own that is your choice, once you go past 1 person my recommendations look at vehicles within the 4wd range..

Once you start looking past 2 people within a family environment you are taking a vehicle because with kids in tow you distance goes lower and lower...
 
#69 ·
juskom95 said:
Military gear is not as uncommon as it used to be. Maybe in certain urban areas, but in areas where they have a decent population of veterans (former or active) it is not unseen.
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I tend to agree with you on this. At the same time, my personal choice is to go as grey man as possible. On any given day I'm either in uniform (black 511 BDU pants and a black Vertex cool polo, black Bates boots) or I'm wearing 511Tac lite BDU with either a 511 tee or polo with tac light boots (either black or desert tan). That's just normal dress for me as a Medic or an instructor. If anything were to hit the fan...I do have jeans and a t shirt with tac hikers with me that I could change into at the station or where ever if time and the situation permitted. I normally have a regular ol black school type pack that is with me on duty or in my vehicle. in that is a 40 cal SW w/3 mags and a holster I can clip onto my side or just stuff the gun in my belt band. It also has a very compact survival kit in it.
Even though tac is more popular now-a-days, I'd still rather blend in as much as possible, at least initially, in an incident.
 
#71 ·
exetermedic101 said:
I tend to agree with you on this. At the same time, my personal choice is to go as grey man as possible.

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Even though tac is more popular now-a-days, I'd still rather blend in as much as possible, at least initially, in an incident.
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I believe you need to gauge it on the area. Where I work, tactical backpacks (and even boots) might make you stand out, though I am near enough to Ft. Knox it is not unheard of. Of course, some other areas the traditional 'hiker's' backpack would stand out like a big red beacon, but an older ALICE pack is normal.

I like the idea of 'grey man' but know from experience that if you have more than the next person, and they ares desperate enough, it does not really matter.
 
#72 ·
Brynweald said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bugout/comments/247iv7/forced_perspective_why_militaryesque_bobs_wont/

I'm not a fan of the author's attitude, but I do agree with his point. Running around with a AR-15 over your shoulder in milsurp gear is probably not the best thing to do in most situations.
What do y'all think?
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Circumstances dictate, and since we don't know what circumstances will be for any specific person on any specific day, it's not particularly helpful to say "always".

It's always best to be flexible and ready for a variety of scenarios.

Too many people get stuck in their favorite apocalyptic fantasy and can't see other variations.

Az
 
#73 ·
azb said:
Circumstances dictate, and since we don't know what circumstances will be for any specific person on any specific day, it's not particularly helpful to say "always".

It's always best to be flexible and ready for a variety of scenarios.

Too many people get stuck in their favorite apocalyptic fantasy and can't see other variations.

Az
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Exactly. This is why I usually overpack my bag and especially my trunk. So I have multiple options to choose from depending on the circumstances and can dump the stuff that doesn't apply.
 
#74 ·
I have a military style bag but they're relatively common in Nashville, especially with the motorcycle crowd. My AR-15 I can break down and be covered as to not stand out as much (though people sometimes just walk around the city with rifles). If anything I think my gas can would stand out more than my back pack. Also whether or not I put my shotgun scabbard on my front forks :).
 
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