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I am currently reading One Second After and it got me thinking about the actual timeline it would take for cities and towns to breakdown from panic and chaos. Also do you think local Police would still attempt to maintain order and act as a governing body? I could see my small town attempting to keep order, but I could also see where they could be easily taken over as well. Lots to think about.

I could see things going sour as quickly as 1-2 day after a EMP if almost all transportation was affected. I am only half way through the book, approximately on 8 days after. Its getting pretty intense and made me realize no matter how prepared you are, are you really prepared enough? Increasing food and water preps along with ammo will be my main focus.
 
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I would do a thorough and objective assessment of your immediate neighbors.
One neighbor I am pretty good friends with and I talked to him a little about prepping just to see where he was at. He seemed to have positive feedback. He also is great with building and fixing things. In a SHTF situation, I could definitely count on him. The neighbor behind my property is a Reserve Officer and is a tough female. She has cameras all around her house and has a good connection to the community. I have not talked to her about prepping though. My neighbor across the street has rain collection barrels in their back yard. Not sure if they prep with other stuff, but I have a feeling that they do. I plan on asking them about their rain collection system in the future as a ice breaker and then get into the topic of prepping. My other neighbors I still have yet to figure out. Great advice and I plan on seeing where they are at more in depth.
 
I do not believe One Second After or Lights Out give all that close of an approximation as to what will happen in a full scale EMP attack on the US. Both, however, have been effective in getting people to think about such things, which is very good. Just not in a very realistic way.

24 ours after the public realizes what has happened there will be anarchy. 72 hours and there will be full scale rioting, robbing, looting, murder, and official attempts by various 'legal' authorities to 'take over' and control the situation, including military martial law, and attempts of civilian governments declaring martial law. Within 7 days 50% of the population will be dead from violence and dehydration. 6 months later and 90% of the population will be dead and the other 10% will be cooperating with each other to provide stable, safe environments for themselves.

Just my opinion.
 
I do not believe One Second After or Lights Out give all that close of an approximation as to what will happen in a full scale EMP attack on the US. Both, however, have been effective in getting people to think about such things, which is very good. Just not in a very realistic way.

24 ours after the public realizes what has happened there will be anarchy. 72 hours and there will be full scale rioting, robbing, looting, murder, and official attempts by various 'legal' authorities to 'take over' and control the situation, including military martial law, and attempts of civilian governments declaring martial law. Within 7 days 50% of the population will be dead from violence and dehydration. 6 months later and 90% of the population will be dead and the other 10% will be cooperating with each other to provide stable, safe environments for themselves.

Just my opinion.
It really depends on the situation and how well stocked local areas are.

We had a food shortage near us when i was working in retail, could see from one end of the shop to the other looking through the shelves and there was no known time for when deliveries would start again.

People just held out saying "It'll probably come tomorrow" and were saying that for a week.

In areas not prone to crime and in the sort of middle class areas i think the panic would take longer to hit unless it was a panic scenario such as probability of something NBC.

In the more crime prone areas it would break down a lot faster and rioting / looting would come a lot sooner.

It really depends on how noticeable the breakdown is EMP, natural disaster or something like nuclear fallout give a clear panic whilst something like (slow) economic collapse or the entire power grid going down (but vehicles running) don't.

In the case of a slow economic collapse it won't be noticed for sometime and panic will build for the power grid being down people have the belief that it will come back even to the point of not really worrying for a couple of days.
 
I do not believe One Second After or Lights Out give all that close of an approximation as to what will happen in a full scale EMP attack on the US. Both, however, have been effective in getting people to think about such things, which is very good. Just not in a very realistic way.

24 ours after the public realizes what has happened there will be anarchy. 72 hours and there will be full scale rioting, robbing, looting, murder, and official attempts by various 'legal' authorities to 'take over' and control the situation, including military martial law, and attempts of civilian governments declaring martial law. Within 7 days 50% of the population will be dead from violence and dehydration. 6 months later and 90% of the population will be dead and the other 10% will be cooperating with each other to provide stable, safe environments for themselves.

Just my opinion.
I start my timeframe from the time that the public realizes that the event means no electricity for the foreseeable future, no food deliveries, no water from the tap, no working toilets, no government checks, no FEMA, martial law, and widespread violence. Not from the moment of the attack.

Just my opinion.
 
I start my timeframe from the time that the public realizes that the event means no electricity for the foreseeable future, no food deliveries, no water from the tap, no working toilets, no government checks, no FEMA, martial law, and widespread violence. Not from the moment of the attack.

Just my opinion.
My opinion of people suggests it might take folks a week to figure it out. Longer if they wait for CNN, FEMA, or their cell phones to work.

Once they make the connection between the electric power grid and running water, food in the store, and gasoline in their car, the country is going to explode.

Btw, if a series of HEMP devices were used, and the pwer grid of an entire continent were taken down, how would anyone communicate?
 
I do not believe One Second After or Lights Out give all that close of an approximation as to what will happen in a full scale EMP attack on the US. Both, however, have been effective in getting people to think about such things, which is very good. Just not in a very realistic way.

24 ours after the public realizes what has happened there will be anarchy. 72 hours and there will be full scale rioting, robbing, looting, murder, and official attempts by various 'legal' authorities to 'take over' and control the situation, including military martial law, and attempts of civilian governments declaring martial law. Within 7 days 50% of the population will be dead from violence and dehydration. 6 months later and 90% of the population will be dead and the other 10% will be cooperating with each other to provide stable, safe environments for themselves.

Just my opinion.
Disagree with your points. Within LESS THAN 24 hours, you're going to have the looting/robbing....look at Ferguson as an example and there were cops during this time. Thugs, punks, looters, etc. aren't stupid. Once they see that NOTHING is moving, they'll start running amuck, hitting every store they can. Of course, the stupid ones will go for the big screen TV's (using a cart to get it home), while others will hit snack /junk food places, shoe stores, etc.

In this scenario, the cops have no communications/transportation, so there's nothing to stop these people unless the store owner(s) use guns to keep what they have like the Chinese did during the Rodney King riots in L.A. Within 7 days, MASSIVE raping, murder, looting of everything, everywhere will occur. Think of the movie The Purge, but with NO time limit AND NO TRANSPORTATION.

I think some people are going to start their own vigilante groups to protect their neighborhood as in we stick together or we all go down. In L.A., during the King riots, people did block access to the streets where they lived and told people if you don't live here or vouched by someone, you're NOT coming in. Something that was rarely reported by the news media along with shop owners arming themselves to protect their property.

Once the stores are looted, their will be a breather space of a day or two until these supplies run out. Then mobs/refugees from the cities will spread out as written in One Second After. And who knows, maybe a lot of people will stay in the city as long as possible, thinking "tomorrow, everything will be back to normal". Think gangs will also stay in the cities out of habit for awhile until they can't find more supplies or they start getting low. And just how many vehicles are registered as classics in various states? Old VW's for example...no computer chip(s) in them, so not everyone's going to be walking. Though no doubt, some will be robbed or killed to get that vehicle.

50% dead within 7 days from violence/no water? Think that's totally unrealistic. 6 months later, 90% (?!) of population is going to be dead? Man is a mean and nasty critter which is why we're on top of the food chain. I figure it's people in nursing homes, hospitals (regular and VA), children and those on life supporting medications that will be dead within the first couple of weeks.

I read somewhere that the author is writing a sequel to One Second After called One Year Later.
 
While 90% after one year may seem to be a little unrealistic, 70% is a very real possibility...all diabetics, bed ridden, infirm, anyone on Health Maintained stuff (Dialysis), old and helpless unable to defend themselves from the wolves,..lots and lots of people aren't set to handle SHTF...WROL will kill many...as things go from bad to worse the bodies will pile and that number doesn't include sickness...typhoid, cholera, anything released to kill more...its gonna be real real bad
 
Time of day and season of year will be big factors. Daytime on a work day in the winter? Probably things get bad even faster and fewer survive as even those prepared to some degree can't get home to the real preps.


I'm not so sure the race rioters will get moving that fast without an Al Sharpton twitter feed.
 
the city dwellers/thugs/animals will be forewarned...they will be 24-36 hrs ahead of everybody else...I have my people watching for movement on that front as an early warning
 
In this scenario, the cops have no communications/transportation, so there's nothing to stop these people unless the store owner(s) use guns to keep what they have like the Chinese did during the Rodney King riots in L.A. Within 7 days, MASSIVE raping, murder, looting of everything, everywhere will occur. Think of the movie The Purge, but with NO time limit AND NO TRANSPORTATION.
It was Korean store owners who defended themselves and each other during the Rodney King riots. Calling a Korean (or a group of Koreans) Chinese is deeply offensive to them.
 
I start my timeframe from the time that the public realizes that the event means no electricity for the foreseeable future, no food deliveries, no water from the tap, no working toilets, no government checks, no FEMA, martial law, and widespread violence. Not from the moment of the attack.

Just my opinion.
Fair enough that makes sense.
 
Another possible scenario, not unlike the breakup of the former Soviet Union. . .
Not a complete collapse, but nasty for those unprepared.

www.quora.com/What-was-it-like-to-be-in-the-Soviet-Union-just-after-it-collapsed

Excerpt:

  • Everything started declining. Skilled engineers had to work at construction sites or as taxi drivers to survive. Schools and universities degraded into places where the professors could make money by taking bribes from the non-attending scholars—and often had to take another job to survive. Corruption crept in everywhere from law-enforcement agencies to health care to authorities. This became especially obvious in mid-90's and early 00's. The Soviet people had very little interest in money, as everyone was making about the same amount, and money didn't allow to buy all you wanted so many services would be rendered for a thank-you or for "magarych" (a return service or a bottle of cognac or something similar). In mid-90's that started changing, first through service-for-service when hyperinflation made money worth nothing and later on money would start dominating in providing services.

  • Crime rates went up and up, through the roof. There were very few areas of business where money could be made and the street gangs called brigades (brigady) or racketeers (reketiry) tried to control those. If someone had the balls to refuse to pay, they could get killed easily or beaten if it resisted a concession to a gang member to sell goods in the street. The brigades fought each other, and in some areas of the country like the Crimea they would kill a couple of guys every day. Many went missing. The law enforcement agencies were helpless during that time (they regained influence in late 90's though). If you wanted to do business, you would most likely need a roof (krysha), that is, a gang that you would pay to protect you from other gangs—but in practice they'd often rip you off in collusion with other gangs. This time ('91-'99) was gruesomely bloody. People who survived and succeeded often left dozens of corpses behind. In their defense, I would say that they had to act in a world where whoever would send the hitman first would survive.
 
I do not believe One Second After or Lights Out give all that close of an approximation as to what will happen in a full scale EMP attack on the US. Both, however, have been effective in getting people to think about such things, which is very good. Just not in a very realistic way.

24 ours after the public realizes what has happened there will be anarchy. 72 hours and there will be full scale rioting, robbing, looting, murder, and official attempts by various 'legal' authorities to 'take over' and control the situation, including military martial law, and attempts of civilian governments declaring martial law. Within 7 days 50% of the population will be dead from violence and dehydration. 6 months later and 90% of the population will be dead and the other 10% will be cooperating with each other to provide stable, safe environments for themselves.

Just my opinion.
Agreed. If the power goes out for some benign reason, people try hard to behave for a while. If an EMP or some other similar event knocks the power out, people will lose their mind really quickly. Pretty much as soon as they realize that the event was not benign.
 
Another possible scenario, not unlike the breakup of the former Soviet Union. . .
Not a complete collapse, but nasty for those unprepared.

www.quora.com/What-was-it-like-to-be-in-the-Soviet-Union-just-after-it-collapsed

Excerpt:

  • Everything started declining. Skilled engineers had to work at construction sites or as taxi drivers to survive. Schools and universities degraded into places where the professors could make money by taking bribes from the non-attending scholars—and often had to take another job to survive. Corruption crept in everywhere from law-enforcement agencies to health care to authorities. This became especially obvious in mid-90's and early 00's. The Soviet people had very little interest in money, as everyone was making about the same amount, and money didn't allow to buy all you wanted so many services would be rendered for a thank-you or for "magarych" (a return service or a bottle of cognac or something similar). In mid-90's that started changing, first through service-for-service when hyperinflation made money worth nothing and later on money would start dominating in providing services.

  • Crime rates went up and up, through the roof. There were very few areas of business where money could be made and the street gangs called brigades (brigady) or racketeers (reketiry) tried to control those. If someone had the balls to refuse to pay, they could get killed easily or beaten if it resisted a concession to a gang member to sell goods in the street. The brigades fought each other, and in some areas of the country like the Crimea they would kill a couple of guys every day. Many went missing. The law enforcement agencies were helpless during that time (they regained influence in late 90's though). If you wanted to do business, you would most likely need a roof (krysha), that is, a gang that you would pay to protect you from other gangs—but in practice they'd often rip you off in collusion with other gangs. This time ('91-'99) was gruesomely bloody. People who survived and succeeded often left dozens of corpses behind. In their defense, I would say that they had to act in a world where whoever would send the hitman first would survive.
South Africa...you just described the last 10 years in S Africa...it is the same exact thing they want for here
 
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