Texas passes HB910 open carry

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

So HB910 on the way to the Governor who has vowed to sign, it takes effect 01/01/16 and included the Dutton amendment prohibiting investigatory stops or detentions to determine if a person has a license solely on the basis of an openly or partially concealed handgun.

The provisions of the law specify- concealed or openly carried in a belt or shoulder holster.

It also has a long list of changes to existing statutes that will be taking effect on the same date. A lot of good stuff in this bill, you still have to have a license but a step closer.

Now to see how it will play out with our interactions with the public, should be interesting. I am all for it, so I don't have a problem with it at all.

My only wish is that there was a requirement for weapons retention to become part of the curriculum for the handgun class.

ROCK6 · May 30, 2015

I miss Texas, solely for this reason. I'm not a personal advocate of open carry for myself, but have zero issues with it and support it for those that choose to do so. I could actually see it beneficial for those that run into town before or after a hunting trip or working outdoors where open carry is far safer, more comfortable and allows faster access. More importantly, I see this as a tremendous right to defend one's home or neighborhood after a crisis where law enforcement is stretch thin and you don't have to worry about being pestered or questioned by the local "Barney Fife"/nanny cops when seeing you open carry...that would be the best deterrent to potential looters and trouble-makers.

Doc_Shane said:
My only wish is that there was a requirement for weapons retention to become part of the curriculum for the handgun class.

I find this interesting Doc, what exactly do you mean by "retention"? I was assuming you meant keeping one's pistol in one's holster until drawn as I've experienced one instance where a guy's pistol fell out of his CCW holster after he dropped his pants in the bathroom stall next to me. He was quite embarrassed...I just asked to make sure his nice 1911 didn't get scratched up

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If laws allow public display of affection (PDA) between gay or straight couples and I have to tolerate it, they can tolerate another's choice for PDA...Public Display of Arms

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ROCK6

Truck Vet · May 30, 2015

I believe a retention law would be a good one. It would take a lot of research and thought but I remember reading about a guy whose pistol fell out during a Movie and went off when it hit the ground. This would not happen to a CC holder of average intelligence but the public needs to know that idiots will lose something if they endanger the public.

I am in favor of legal open carry but not for me. At least not until they riot in my city. Then I would like to stand on my front porch with a loaded 12 gauge without fearing the police.

Thank you Texans for voting for freedom, I hope someday it reaches me.

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

By weapons retention, I mean developing the situational awareness and physical ability to prevent or deter someone from attempting to take the weapon.

Part of it is selection of the appropriate retention holsters, the other part is the will and ability to fight if necessary.

Zombie response team · May 30, 2015

:thumb: great for Texas wish other states would follow:thumb:
ZRT

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

Zombie response team said:
:thumb: great for Texas wish other states would follow:thumb:
ZRT

There are only 5 states left and the District of Criminals that do not allow it.

Florida
Kommiefornia
Illinois
New York
South Carolina

Justme11 · May 30, 2015

Awesome news.

ROCK6 · May 30, 2015

Doc_Shane said:
By weapons retention, I mean developing the situational awareness and physical ability to prevent or deter someone from attempting to take the weapon.

Part of it is selection of the appropriate retention holsters, the other part is the will and ability to fight if necessary.

This would be a prudent part of the course and really not add much to the current curriculum (I took the Texas course back in 2008). I think many overlook the importance of a quality holster (whether designed for concealed or open carry) that possesses proper retention. You bring up the other aspect most don't think about and that is retention from somebody else drawing your pistol...whether it's just some anti-gun moron, someone with criminal intent or some annoying kid who is just "curious".

ROCK6

JoshTF · May 30, 2015

Time to start looking for a good Level 2 or 3 holster.

stephpd · May 30, 2015

Zombie response team said:
:thumb: great for Texas wish other states would follow:thumb:
ZRT

In the case of open carry Texas is near the end of the line. Many states have had open carry (without the need for licenses or classes) for as long as they've been states. I live in a deep blue county in a blue state (Delaware) and we've had open carry since before we were a state.

As it stands there are more states going Constitutional carry, ie no classes or licenses (government permission slips), to carry openly and concealed. There are more states with Constitutional carry then there are states that ban open carry of handguns.

Anyway, Kudos for Texas for getting this passed. Looked like it might have died in committee. I wish it were a clean bill with no government involvement, since that's the basis of rights.

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

TXRazor said:
Time to start looking for a good Level 2 or 3 holster.

And learning how to use it, it takes several hundred draw and holster cycles to build the muscle memory to where it is instinctual under pressure.

Like marksmanship it is a perishable skill, that unless honed will get you killed if you choke at the moment of truth.

JoshTF · May 30, 2015

Doc_Shane said:
And learning how to use it, it takes several hundred draw and holster cycles to build the muscle memory to where it is instinctual under pressure.

Like marksmanship it is a perishable skill, that unless honed will get you killed if you choke at the moment of truth.

Well naturally. Any excuse to get out an shoot more is fine by me, cool thing with draw stroke is that most of it can be done at home with out even having to burn through ammo.

Though after a few thousand repetitions where your able to safely operate every thing with out fumbling around trigger time is always a great way to reinforce things.

Personally I don't like to carry a new holster until I had at least a few hours of practice with it.

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

I am probably going to get one similar to my duty holster, same series so that it operates exactly the same way. Staying with level 3.

The only difference for me is that I won't have to have my badge visible now.

puttster · May 30, 2015

I know everyone will feel safer when Billy Bob stomps into the store with a pair of 44 magnums strapped to his hips.

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

puttster said:
I know everyone will feel safer when Billy Bob stomps into the store with a pair of 44 magnums strapped to his hips.

Once people realize it is legal and get used to it then it won't be an issue.

I suspect that once the novelty of open carrying wears off then it will serve more as a safeguard for concealed carriers to not be dinged for printing or accidental exposures.

What I see happening is that it will free up people to dress comfortably when carrying and not be so worried about absolute concealment which is the current law.

Even when I cc, I have a habit of resting my elbow on my weapon, it's something I do to guard the weapon on duty so I find myself doing it subconsciously, it always gives away the fact that I am carrying.

Rlyeh · May 30, 2015

Well, what a "Putts".

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

Rlyeh said:
Well, what a "Putts".

The liberals will just have to find something new to whine about, since they clearly lost the gun "battle" here.

Nothing declares freedom and the exercising of ones rights than seeing some freakball crybaby wet themselves when you do the very thing that they so abhor and it's perfectly legal.

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I've had the fruitcakes come up to me pointing at my weapon when I am off duty oblivious to the fact that there is a badge sitting right near the holster. One even called 911, and the nice on duty officer explained to her that I was the police and that she needed to go find something better to do than harass people that have a gun.

Kalashnikov47 · May 30, 2015

Doc_Shane said:
There are only 5 states left and the District of Criminals that do not allow it.

Florida
Kommiefornia
Illinois
New York
South Carolina

This is the one thing I dislike about FL, we can only open carry while camping or fishing or going to and from those activities. While I wouldn't open carry myself I think people that want to should. We do have organizations such as Florida Carry https://www.floridacarry.org/ working to change the law....

The police here will harass the crap out of you as well if they see you open carrying while doing these activities, they'll grill you ask and for your CCW etc.

lanman_cw · May 30, 2015

Doc_Shane said:
So HB910 on the way to the Governor who has vowed to sign, it takes effect 01/01/16 and included the Dutton amendment prohibiting investigatory stops or detentions to determine if a person has a license solely on the basis of an openly or partially concealed handgun.

I thought the Dutton/Huffines amendment was stripped from the language of the Bill which is what caused the House to not approve of the Senate version in the first place.

Regardless, I'm glad it finally passed. Next session will be Constitutional Carry.

Doc_Shane · May 30, 2015

From what I can find the Dutton/Huffines amendment made it, but I am doing some more research into it. I've read both that it was cut and that it was included in the final vote.

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