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#65 ·
I didn't read all of the posts so if someone else already mentioned this, I'm just echoing it.

A good quality rifle in "any" caliber would serve you well in most situations. You might consider a lever action in .30-.30. No, it's not "way cool" and it doesn't have the capacity of a magazine fed rifle...and it doesn't have the range of a .308 or a .30-06 Garand....but most people don't need a rifle that can shoot 3" groups at 600 yards or whatever. A .30-.30 with a scope gives you reach-out to 100 yards and even 150 - 200 yards with the newer ammo like "lever evolution" from Hornady (with a scope). These ranges are well within most scenarios -especially in an urban or suburban setting like you envision- and more importantly, the CAPABILITIES of most shooters who don't have to the time or the inclination to visit the range on a weekly basis to practice with their "thousand yard sniper systems" ('cause like, when you're a high-speed deadeye marksman SNIPER...it's no longer just a rifle but a "system"). A .30-.30 or a .35 Remington will 'get the job done'.

Plus, the typical lever action rifle can usually be had for under $400 (or even $200 - $300 if you wait until the end of deer hunting season), is 'already CA compliant' (tube magazine capacity is under 10 rounds), doesn't raise as many eyebrows as far as appearance (if that's a concern), etc.

Otherwise, take a look at some bolt action military surplus rifles such as some of the Mausers in 7x57 or 8mm. Lots of people have the Mosin Nagants. I don't like them because they're just a little too long for the urban setting...but they're not impossible to manage. Regardless, you should be able to get a really finely made, great working military bolt action rifle for less than $400 or even less than $200 in the case of the M-N. Make sure you take someone with you who knows firearms to check out whatever you're thinking about buying. A lot of military surplus rifles, deer hunting rifles, and yes, even AR's have been used hard and put away wet (literally).

Because I DO disagree with the poster who said that "guns are way overrated as far as survival tools" or words to that effect. I just can't imagine the survivalist/prepper or just plain old responsible, sensible homeowner/citizen who doesn't have at least one gun. Doesn't have to be the Zombie Apocalypse to wish you had one. Lots of people in the greater New Orleans area after Hurricane K were either glad they had a gun or wished they had a gun.

Actually, yeah...that sorta WAS a Zombie Apocalypse. Except that Zombies are nicer. ;)
 
#66 ·
Omegaman 2 said:
I have been diligently collecting supplies in the event of a disaster
scenario when all and utilities go down including water .I have read many great ideas as far as supplies and equipment for prepping
from other posters here and thanks for that. It seems there are many on this
board that are armed to the teeth and would not have it any other way.
I was originally excited about adding an AR to my list but after some research
I found out here in Cali we have a "bullet button" That bullet button made
me to decide against buying a Cali AR.
Even though the thought of blasting hoards of trespassers looking
to steal my supplies sounds fun in reality I don't want to shoot anyone. Plus
on top of that many on this board have said help will eventually come soon.
I am unsure on the logic of having more than one weapon especially
if I am going to be reluctant to use it when the SHTF.

Will I get an F grade in prepping from this board for not including an AR
with my other life sustaining prepping supplies considering I live six
miles outside of downtown Los Angeles?
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I don't think you need a AR. Would it come in handy absolutely. A decent 12 g beater would suffice IMHO, except if the situation become a more long term ordeal. In that case a magazine fed rifle is essential. Even an sks is better than nothing. I don't have an ar but glad I took advantage when saigas were going for 400 bucks.
 
#67 ·
There are 12g shotguns with interchangeable barrels where one is a 'slug' barrel that offer pretty good accuracy out to 100yards or even further. Remington claims a 2&1/2" shot group at 100 yards for one of their guns/loads.

Here's an article by Chuck Hawkes on the subject:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm

Here's a YouTube video where the target is 4" and the claimed distance is 300 yards...several other videos on the side showing slugs being used at ranges of 200 yards plus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaQnaRW6brU

Again, I don't think everyone necessarily needs or knows how to handle a long range "sniping rifle".
 
#69 ·
Arc Angel said:
Well, you could always extrapolate! That's, kind of, a naive remark, though. When I was a small boy (a longtime ago, now) I could easily tell the awesome difference between my neighbor's 22 LR, and his 12 gauge shotgun by listening to nothing more than the sound.

(I'm, also, able to distinguish the difference between a 7.62 x 51mm, and a 5.56 x 45mm, or even a 7.62 x 39mm. You don't got 'a be a, 'rocket scientist' to know which one's going to hit harder!) ;)
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So, my suppressed .308 is obviously less "powerful" than an non suppressed .308...

It's a joke to say a caliber is more "powerful" based on sound.

Is a .32 H&R mag being fired out of a 2" snubby more "powerful" than a .44mag out of a 22" rifle?


He said more "powerful" based on sound, I know full well that one can distinguish the different sounds of different calibers, but that has zero bearing on the comment I made.
 
#70 ·
That close to a place that is guarandamnteed to go ape? no thanx, tho I may visit for the weekend. As to the rifle thing, I have a Norinco type 56 paratrooper in 5 shot/no toad sticker sporting configeration as a piggin' piece. Cheap and brutally effective. Fit a decent dot sight, the standard irons are utterly useless once the light fades. Good luck.
 
#71 ·
I never really found the need for an AR/AK, I only own one because it was left to me by my father, and I'll probably sell it soon. In all honesty for me a shotgun is my do all firearm and wouldn't feel under armed if that was all I owned. Though a good quality handgun semi auto or revolver is a nice to have also.
 
#73 ·
LOL. AR's. I know they are considered a basic nowadays, but think back, the origional assult rifle was a lever gun, won the west. the first true mass produced repeater. todays modern arms, from pump guns, and semi autos, the choices are endless. before AR base guns came on hard, there were sporting guns, @ remington woodsmaster, 3006, semi auto, 10 & 20 round box magazines, then the sks and ak's, and prior to that, the m1 Garands and the varients that followed. so really, the AR base is a flavor, just like ice cream, 1 of many available to the end user, depending on what flavor you prefer.
 
#74 ·
One one hand, I somewhat admire that a few members actually tried to provide serious answers to the OP's question; on the other hand I'm shocked that anyone would try to provide serious answers to the OP's ridiculous question....:xeye:
 
#75 ·
"Would you give me an F in prepping if I did not own an AR?"

Because you live in LA, if you don't have ANY firearm for survival...you're substantially less than smart.

For not participating in the thread YOU started......"F" for you!
 
#80 ·
jelloman said:
I don't have an AR...
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My best choice for a harder hitting alternative..... I chose a Scar17 S .... In two years... It has proven its superiority to me. My loading of ammo.. for it.. is a big plus.
 
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