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Trent Rock

HP12c it is.

Another question please,

30 yr mortgage and you make 1 extra payment/yr

P/E is 1200/mo you pay 1300/mo. You're making an extra payment a year on a 30 yr note.

How quickly do you pay off the loan?

Instead of 360 payments you now pay it off in ????? payments


Thanks, mj52
 
Been awhile since I did that projection and my memory isn't what it used to be but the number 216 comes to mind. May have been 196

I did mine a little different. We got paid every two weeks. I had an automatic deposit to the mortgage account of half a payment each payday. 26 halfs ends up being 13 payments per year. Same destination, different route.
 
Trent Rock

HP12c it is.

Another question please,

30 yr mortgage and you make 1 extra payment/yr

P/E is 1200/mo you pay 1300/mo. You're making an extra payment a year on a 30 yr note.

How quickly do you pay off the loan?

Instead of 360 payments you now pay it off in ????? payments


Thanks, mj52
Here are some more you will need
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Compound interest

I'm not an expert with the HP12C
I'm sure it can solve your problem though.....

If you know calculus
I'm sure it will be real easy
I use algebra only......:eek::
 
A lot of people I know, myself included, would take the lump sum.

You know what the tax rate, even including penalties, today when you get it. There has been a big push lately to "increase revenue" on the wealthy. You could wind up paying more in taxes down the road on annuity payments, and by more I mean substantially more. Highest tax rate in the 50's was 90'ish percent. France has been pushing hard for a 75% tax rate.

What that annuity lottery you win means, is that you get payments because they invest the winnings, and make money on it, and pay you your cut out of that. Same thing that happens when you invest money in the market... so why not invest yourself, or get a reputable investor who you can work with?

A few years back, a big powerball jackpot was won by a guy in Idaho, who waited like 3 months to come forward, because he retained a lawyer, an investor/financial advisor, and other council. He did so with the stated goal to double his winnings over the next 10'ish years or so.

Me personally, I'd make sure me and family (and I have a big family) were debt free, college paid for all the kids/nephews/nieces, home and car bought, Parents/In-laws retired, etc. Definitely a spread the wealth situation, and that is easier to do with a lump sum than smaller annuity payments.

And what is the dollar going to be worth down the road over the course of the annuity? If you are on these forums, you already have doubts most likely...

Keynes (of Keynesian economic infamy) said:

Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the capitalist system was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security but [also] at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth.

Those to whom the system brings windfalls, beyond their deserts and even beyond their expectations or desires, become "profiteers," who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished, not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery.
 
the anuity payment isnt the actual complete payout. its guestimated to pay out that much. but depends on interest of the money that is put in trust. the cash payout is the cash on hand without interest over the 30 payments. btw most states allow a trust to collect and you can name beneficiaries of a trust.
 
Georgia won 325M took payout of 125M (figures are +/-) that's a serious hit but still leaves quite a bit more than enough. I believe there may be other applicable taxes as well, lets make it an even 100M. That managed well with only the winner signing the checks should keep their family in clover for generations. So I can understand "One in the hand is worth two in the bush"

But it seems that the majority of winners take the cash buyout and for even much smaller prizes.

Can anyone explain why this occurs so often? I understand this is an extremely broad question with a million "What if's" built in. I'm just curious what a savvy perosn might offer in an opinion.

Thanks, MJ52
If I ever won something like that in a lottery--and I don't ever expect to have this problem as I don't play lotteries--I'd take the payout.

Why? A bird in the hand.

To take the 20-year payout is to have faith in not only the guarantor of the annuity, but that the money 20 years from now will be worth anything like what it is today.

With looming hyperinflation, that money 10, 15, 20 years from now will be worth far less.

If I somehow won that much money, I'd buy land with it, a homestead, farmland and equipment, a couple BOLs, in other words, I'd try to turn that cash into tangibles.
 
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I don't trust the Govt with Social Security, 401K, tax rates,..that said I surely would not trust them to not screw me with Lotto winnings in the next 25 years with a different tax rate, not paying, ETC...therefore the old saying "Take the money and run" holds true.
 
Another possible explanation is estate taxes. If/when you die the annuity is part of your estate and the folks in DC will want some taxes. If you put the cash in a trust for the benefit of you and to your kids after your death there should not be any estate taxes due from the trust. Estate tax rates STARTED at 39.5 percent the last time I looked.
 
If I won (which would be really extraordinary since I don't play), the first thing I would do is hire a lawyer and a tax accountant who specialized in this kind of situation. I would try as much as possible to let no one know I had won - the only ones I would tell would be my kids, others in my family would get some help, but not so that they knew where it was coming from, and not so much that they would suffer the fate of many people who suddenly became wealthy.

But reasons I would take a payout might be:

a) Whether the annuity the lottery pays from can be inherited. I have maybe 20 years lifetime left, and I want my kids to get anything left over.

b) The difference between the lottery annuity and my taking a lump sum and buying an annuity with some of it, and investing the rest in guaranteed interest investments. $100 M invested can earn some pretty good money - I could easily live on the interest even if it was only a 2% CD; if I need more than $2M per year to live on then I am doing something really wrong, and there would still be $100M left when I die.

3) I would want to buy a large amount of forested land and have some expensive work done on it, ASAP. Ditto with buying some land in NZ, and probably a small cottage in Tahiti or some place like that. I could drop dead tomorrow for all I know so I would want to retire immediately and travel some.
 
herer in illinios i believe the lottery is now ran by a private company not the state (though the state still controls it )and id take the payout for the same resons most have posted
cash in hand not u iou that may be reniged upon in the future (headline reads lottery files for bankrupcy protection )
im about to turn 50 (i want to enjoy it now )not at 70
once house is built and eveyone i care to take care of is situated id want to find some way tp invest that would pay me and wife 50 or 75 k a year that should be more than enough to live comfortably enough off of
and have quite a bit in cash on hand and glod silver platinuim in safe in case
 
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9111315, I assume (5 1/4 years) is your response to the extra Principal payment/yr question.



5.25 yrs = 63 months @1200/mo =$75,600 (money saved by paying off early)

24.75 yrs = 297 months @ 100/mo =$29,700 (extra added over length of mortgage)

Initially that extra $100/mo would be crushing but after a few years you may not even notice it.
 
Me I would buy what I needed put enough away that I wouldn't need anymore then I would give the rest away to needy people. I wouldn't be buying fancy cars or anything like that as they lose so much valve and if you really want to try one just rent one for a day it's expensiveish but it's way cheaper then buying it. I would take the lump sum and keep 2-3 million for my self the rest I would give away. You just don't need that much money and you might as well help out people that need it.
 
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