Multiple folks shot, sounds like two dead. Shooter still on the loose. "Large shotgun". The story is still breaking.
Shooter at the Navy shipyard in D.C.-ALL threads merged here
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The problem is you can't legislate 'crazy'.
Short of a government test of people for the crazy gene and legislating screwing between crazing gene carriers, you're going to end up with a very small portion of people that are sociopathic and or crazy.
These people, on a very small scale, will act out in such a way that people die in mass 'x' incidents.
-or at least this is what the voices tell me....
That's why I get reluctant on trying to point to mental illness as the problem, which it is, however the lib's could change the definition of mental illness and classify people who like guns as a person of mental illness. That would be the back door way for gun control.
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I heard that this idiot hated the government. That seems to be a general theme in these shootings. Maybe, the government should take a look at themselves and realize that their policy might be a cause of some of these issues. We all know that won't happen though. Those sociopaths in power will never blame themselves for anything.
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Yeah because you and the rest of NSA will obtain a warrant from a judge to get the logs of the IP addresses from every Internet site that has a Tom, ****, or Harry spouting off about having a clearance.
So now that you failed to miss the point of my post... How does a guy like that keep his clearance with all the issues he had? The regulations say that even financial troubles or divorce can be cause enough to pull a clearance, let alone his military record and mental health.
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In my experience, contractors are very often much more competent than the government employees. Not always, but more often than not.
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This is too good to be buried on page 13 of this thread."CNN Anchor: I Can't Remember a Mass Shooting on a Military Base"
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"CAROL COSTELLO: I used to work in Washington, live in Washington. This seems so unusual to me that a gunman could create this kind of havoc at a U.S. military facility"
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...13/09/16/cnn-anchor-i-cant-remember-a-mass-shooting-on-a-military-base-n1701446
When I heard this I almost wrecked my truck as I was driving down the road.
I am an hour away from Ft. Hood and remember that day quite vividly, funny how quickly the MSM forgets, even with the recent trial of the shooter.
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The only people who carry guns on regular military bases in the United States, are guards and people doing training that requires weapons.
Obviously, the only people who were carrying guns at the Washington Navy Yard were the security guards. They don't let civilian employees carry guns, nor do military personnel not in an active security position carry guns either.
Your friend is mistaken.
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His thinking reflects what many civilians who aren't familiar with the pertinent facts of the "gun control" debate hold to be true: the assumption that shootings will happen even when there are "good guys with guns" and that these good guys can't or won't prevent them.
He assumed that at a Navy base, that there would've been many armed personnel standing guard. It's not like that, as you and others here have pointed out.
My friend, a former NYer, has surely seen several NYC "points of interest" which receive heavy NYPD patrolling at given times (Federal Hall on Wall Street, by the Stock Exchange, for example). People think that we'd see dozens of helmet & armor-wearing men with semi or fully automatic rifles. But how can Marines, soldiers, or sailors be dressed up for combat at every moment of every day at a given base or ship yard?
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I didn't miss your point, my statement was a friendly reminder to stfu about your clearance.Yeah because you and the rest of NSA will obtain a warrant from a judge to get the logs of the IP addresses from every Internet site that has a Tom, ****, or Harry spouting off about having a clearance.
So now that you failed to miss the point of my post... How does a guy like that keep his clearance with all the issues he had? The regulations say that even financial troubles or divorce can be cause enough to pull a clearance, let alone his military record and mental health.
As far as I've seen, and I'm not following very closely at this point, but his military record isn't bad at all. Eight instances of 'misconduct' which can be anything, but nothing noted as very unusual. He had an honorable discharge but I know all kinds of ****head ****ups with Honorables. You really have to screw the **** up to get a dishonorable. He didn't report hearing voices until about six weeks ago to police about hearing voices through the hotel walls. Maybe his neighbors were loud or maybe he was bat**** crazy. The statements about a microwave machine keeping him awake are indeed a little weird. Either way the Navy didn't find him mentally unfit which would have terminated his clearance. Maybe the process takes more than six weeks, maybe they never intended to, I don't know. He had two arrests for firing off guns, but he was never charged. Sounds like more of a problem with local authorities to me. And the statement about "blacking out" haha, whatever, **** I'd say that too if I just got arrested for firing guns in public. Its called the insanity defense and he knows as a lot of us do that that type of thing will get you more free VA money.
He went to the VA a few days ago and reported problems sleeping, nothing weird about that. At some point he planned this attack, as he purchased the shotgun a few days ahead of time.
Pulling his clearance may or may not have made a different at any point as he used a valid ID card/badge to gain access to the building, not the same thing.
In my ****brain opinion, there weren't any "red flags" but there were a LOT of bright pink ones. As far as having his clearance pulled, unless he was reinvestigated in the last 6 weeks, I don't see a reason for it. I've *heard of* way bigger screwups than this guy that obtained and kept their clearance. A Secret DoD clearance isn't exactly cream-of-the-crop stuff to begin with. What will come out is that a string of "failures" at various levels of government is "at fault". Local police, the Navy, defense contractors, the VA, and security SOP at the Navy Yard itself will all come under scrutiny, and maybe rightfully so, maybe not.
As far as "me and the rest of the NSA..." I have nothing to do with the NSA, at all. Now wait here while I go get my microwave device...
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Came across as way more smart-a$$ chip on the shoulder Internet ninja than friendly, but hey whatever.
True enough, but if his job required the clearance, his CAC (ID/Badge) would have been pulled as well. Failure to obtain/maintain a clearance is grounds for immediate dismissal if it is required for the job.
Certain instances require immediate reporting to the ISO/IAM/whomever which could have easily suspended (if not revoked) his clearence. Again, some of the issues that are to be reported include divorce, financial troubles (especially bankruptcy), travel overseas, relationship with a FN, etc.
Nice link here:
http://www.dm.usda.gov/ocpm/Security Guide/S4self/Intro.htm
Never said you did. Simply pointing out that no one is going to audit every Internet site and get a warrant for their logs to see who every joker is that claims to have a clearance. The information and discussion would need to go much deeper before anyone would care about a passing comment.
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I can't speak on what is required for access to the Navy Yard, I don't know. I do know that there are installations that use secondary levels of ID, ie not a CAC card. A person needs to be previously cleared for said ID, once obtained, who knows? I wouldn't even try guessing on the potential lag time between a red flag, revocation of clearance, and subsequent levels of access. In such a scenario it could be instant, days, weeks, months... who knows?
Sure, and none of these have been reported in regards to this guy. New information may come out, but as I said, I don't necessarily see a red flag but I do see a lot of pink ones.
If you think a person needs a warrant to verify whether a person has a clearance, well... it can be much easier. If its to be believed that "agents" are watching rightwing conspiracy sites... I just wouldn't talk about it, least of all on a site like this. Anyway, it used to be that you didn't even put a clearance on a resume, and I realize that now its more common. Things are changing I guess. I wouldn't do it but I'm just an average Joe idiot, who really knows?
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Did you follow the lnk? I think it was an USDA site, but still applicable in general.
No, they would need the warrant to obtain the logs from the ISP to get my IP to see if they can track that to my front door.
Had you worded it that way from the get go, you would not have recieved the sarcastic reply. I would have said "Good point" and let it go. However, I need more patience and I need it right now.
:Yeah I would not recommend it on a resume either. usually now they have applications asking if there is any reason you would not be able to obtain one if needed and as long as you answer "no" you make it to the next round.
I have heard of bogus websites posting fake jobs requiring certain levels of clearance. I guess they are making a list of interesting targets.
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No I didn't so thanks for quoting your reference, which is under this subheading:
"Persons approved for access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) and selected Special Access Programs (SAPs) have additional reporting requirements as discussed in Reporting Foreign Contacts."
If what they're saying about his clearance is true, he did not have SCI/SAP.
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Maybe you should consider creating a different thread and let this one go back to the original subject?
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Carry it some other place crypto queens
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Shooters momma says she is so so very sorry.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...0556773-navy-yard-gunmans-mother-says-she-is-heartbroken-and-sorry-for-families
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Shooters momma says she is so so very sorry.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...0556773-navy-yard-gunmans-mother-says-she-is-heartbroken-and-sorry-for-families
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Funny you should say this. While I was at the range today, trying out a new handgun, there was a couple next to me, struggling to get round on the paper. They came in when I did and she was definitely the one in charge. They were in the stall next to me and she let off a string with a full sized pistol (.40 from the brass that was flying around) and she was only able to get three rounds on the paper and none were in the silhouette. He was a little better but not great.
He began watching me and then seemed to be improving slowly. I had an internal debate as to if I should invite him over and give him some pointers but finally rejected the idea as I wanted nothing to do with his lady friend, who seemed unstable.
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