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#21 ·
Mr.Mayhem said:
Wait a minute. Youre saying you always wwalk around with a cane and your carry weapon, just in case you don't have your carry you could use the cane? Why wouldn't you just take the cane when you know you can't take your carry piece?

I've never heard of someone faking a cane so they can have an improvised weapon. Seems just as unnessocary as the guys who carry 2 guns 2spare mags for each, and 4 knives, 2 flashlights, a first aid kit, lock picks, all to the grocery store. I mean I'm all for concealed carrying and being prepared but there's a line in the sand, and to me, constantly being strapped up for war is way over the line!

Sorry for the rant!
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You haven't spent enough time on these boards, mate.

There are people here who walk around like the above every day, or so they delight in telling us.
They could of course just be keyboard heroes, trapped in their mom's basement...but I have a horrible feeling that there really are a whole bunch of people on this forum who are so insecure that they do indeed walk around with all that crap on a daily basis. :rolleyes:

A lot of guys carry a walking stick as a self-defence implement...it's the one perfectly legal item anyone can walk around with in public, pretty much anywhere in the world.
 
#22 ·
Fight or Flight?

Common sense advise like run away, avoid a fight, don't give others a reason, these are all great advise. Not always practical in reality.

It makes very little sense to turn my back on an attacker. What if he runs faster than me. He may know a short cut. I can't dodge things thrown at me.

Just 7 seconds of restricted breathing such as, a choke hold, you experiences a decrease in strength enough to fight back. When you run every muscle in your body will demand more oxygen and, your strength to fight back will decrease dramatically.

Every time you are involved in physical combat you risk losing. Regardless of your abilities. Maybe you can take down 3 attackers but, you can also slip in their blood and crack your skull open. Maybe you can Billy Jack the guy before he can stop it. Then he wakes up and you're still there, you can't run away with your injuries from not getting your 10 minute stretch in first. There is always a high risk of failure.

Things I've always focused on:
1. Do whatever it takes to impair attackers ability to attack.
2. Do it as fast as possible to minimize expending energy.
3. As soon as you can leave without immediate pursuit go.

Also, Anytime I carry a weapon of any sort of weapon I accept that I could be forced to defend myself from that weapon. The more dangerous the weapon the more dangerous I must be in defending that weapon.

In closing, I will treat any attempt to assault me as a threat on my life. Assault me with your fist your intent is to beat me to death. Pull a knife your intent is to cut me to death, Pull a gun your intent is to shoot me dead. What an attacker thinks his intent is does not matter to me.
 
#23 ·
BTW (beg to differ)

matotime said:
Common sense advise like run away, avoid a fight, don't give others a reason, these are all great advise. Not always practical in reality.

It makes very little sense to turn my back on an attacker. What if he runs faster than me. He may know a short cut. I can't dodge things thrown at me.

"BEING AWARE" will not get you into situations you may have to fight your way out of or escape. keep your peepers open.

Just 7 seconds of restricted breathing such as, a choke hold, you experiences a decrease in strength enough to fight back. When you run every muscle in your body will demand more oxygen and, your strength to fight back will decrease dramatically.

really now. me thinks you have plenty of time to put the hurt on someone with his hands busy trying to choke you out and now you within striking distance and did not have to fight to get there.

Every time you are involved in physical combat you risk losing. Regardless of your abilities. Maybe you can take down 3 attackers but, you can also slip in their blood and crack your skull open. Maybe you can Billy Jack the guy before he can stop it. Then he wakes up and you're still there, you can't run away with your injuries from not getting your 10 minute stretch in first. There is always a high risk of failure.

don't be there. it's a part of "BEING AWARE." don't stroll into dangerous situations.

Things I've always focused on:
1. Do whatever it takes to impair attackers ability to attack.
2. Do it as fast as possible to minimize expending energy.
3. As soon as you can leave without immediate pursuit go.

Also, Anytime I carry a weapon of any sort of weapon I accept that I could be forced to defend myself from that weapon. The more dangerous the weapon the more dangerous I must be in defending that weapon.

In closing, I will treat any attempt to assault me as a threat on my life. Assault me with your fist your intent is to beat me to death. Pull a knife your intent is to cut me to death, Pull a gun your intent is to shoot me dead. What an attacker thinks his intent is does not matter to me.
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do what you will. :eek:: be safe.
 
#25 ·
Btw beg to differ?

Being aware is common sense.

Not every assault happens in a dark alley you wouldn't walk down.

Curious as to how much actual hand to hand you've really done.

Real life attackers usually try to choke after their victim is at a disadvantage.

My example of 7 seconds of choking is to express how much oxygen deprivation effects muscles. Therefore, trying to running away could actually make you a better victim. You'll have to make the call to fit your situation.

Yes, in a few seconds a lot can happen. Don't assume you'll be the one top.

From the first scream to the less than 15 seconds it took me to open the gate and run down the hall, 4 of 5 inmates in a small room were dead. The only survivor was the one who pulled his mattress on top of himself.

Your comment makes it sound like you've never met anyone tougher than you. You'll have to trust me on this, they're out there. Ever grab a guy by the arm only to find muscles too big to grip? I have. We are not always going to be rested up and, ready to do our very best. Even our very best can fall far short of what's needed at that moment.

Just the other night nearby 2 people were assaulted in their own garage attached to their house. In a peaceful little town where everybody knows almost everybody else. I guess "don't be there", "don't stroll into dangerous situations". doesn't always work.

Real things happen to real people who are not blindly strolling around in dark places. Even out in the country where I live home invasions are happening in ever increasing levels.

If you live long enough in the real word, real life will come to you too.

I do not intend any of this to be insulting. I've been through a lot of stuff I wish I hadn't. Too much for all of it to be just dumb luck. You can consider my advise and opinions to be a silly joke. If any of it ever helps you then we can have that laugh together.

When you stop learning you start dying. Always be willing to learn.
 
#26 ·
had to jump in with a reply mainly cause I was surprised when I saw kuba in the "primitive" forum category... not arguing, just never occurred to me that it was primitive..which of course it is I guess...but I consider them a very contemporary part of personal defense...mainly because the industry has continued to develop product that serves the same combat techniques..
I have a pepper spray device on my keychain that is built with a replaceable cartridge inside an aluminum tube..looks about like a mini mag flashlight handle..affords me both spray and kuba striking options.
same with some oversized pen shaped items..made of solid materials capable of damage while not drawing attention..
my surefire defender light..same idea...nice beveled edges to help make some lasting impressions...
so..yeah...still a concept well worth training with...and no, nobody likes to get that close in a fight..but it sure happens..and happens fast..so plan on it..expect to get hurt..but intend to survive.
 
#27 · (Edited)
no offense taken.

matotime said:
Being aware is common sense.

Not every assault happens in a dark alley you wouldn't walk down.

Curious as to how much actual hand to hand you've really done.

Real life attackers usually try to choke after their victim is at a disadvantage.

My example of 7 seconds of choking is to express how much oxygen deprivation effects muscles. Therefore, trying to running away could actually make you a better victim. You'll have to make the call to fit your situation.

Yes, in a few seconds a lot can happen. Don't assume you'll be the one top.

From the first scream to the less than 15 seconds it took me to open the gate and run down the hall, 4 of 5 inmates in a small room were dead. The only survivor was the one who pulled his mattress on top of himself.

Your comment makes it sound like you've never met anyone tougher than you. You'll have to trust me on this, they're out there. Ever grab a guy by the arm only to find muscles too big to grip? I have. We are not always going to be rested up and, ready to do our very best. Even our very best can fall far short of what's needed at that moment.

Just the other night nearby 2 people were assaulted in their own garage attached to their house. In a peaceful little town where everybody knows almost everybody else. I guess "don't be there", "don't stroll into dangerous situations". doesn't always work.

Real things happen to real people who are not blindly strolling around in dark places. Even out in the country where I live home invasions are happening in ever increasing levels.

If you live long enough in the real word, real life will come to you too.

I do not intend any of this to be insulting. I've been through a lot of stuff I wish I hadn't. Too much for all of it to be just dumb luck. You can consider my advise and opinions to be a silly joke. If any of it ever helps you then we can have that laugh together.

When you stop learning you start dying. Always be willing to learn.
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iust saying. don't be where trouble will be. i have gotten older by avoiding the fight. not attacking directly unless it was with overwhelming odds and the initiative. if i have been taken by surprise, i have come out on top, thankfully and gratefully. one thing, i have learned is some people get caught with their plants down and must fight their way out of it to survive, more often than others. :) be safe.
 
#29 ·
Kubotans were all the rage with cops and security people years ago.

I don't know any that carry them now.

I did carry a home made one, cut from a piece of Privett branch, but mine had a point on one end and a knurled knob on the opposite end...and would really do some damage if I used it...but the baton has always been superior to the kubotan.

We still carry batons because they have proven to be useful in a variety of situations.
As most of us carry torches on our belts or in our vehicles if we had to use a kubotan like implement, then we'd use the torch.

You can carry a small maglite on your belt 24/7 and no one bats an eye.
Small maglite...kubotan...no difference. Except the maglite is 100% legal anywhere.

In truth when an altercation has erupted and I was in close proximity to the offender, I just used my hands and legs/feet to put him/her on the ground and keep them there.

Back to the walking stick...as good as a baton (if you buy/make a sturdy model) and perfectly legal anywhere in the world.
 
#30 ·
Hi Jaqhama

Styrofoam like whats used in take out container. You know the tray with flip up top. Repeatedly heated and folded it becomes very dense and hard enough to sharpen. It's very lightweight so even a rubber band will secure it to leg or arm. Pass through metal detector. Very dangerous. The reason those felons were fighting was taken to the grave. The surviving felon claims he woke up, rolled off bed, pulled mattress over himself. 1 fatal blow to throat. 1 fatal head injury. 2 bled out from stabs 2 neck. The neck is primary target. Planning or fearing a fight they often used multiple layers of clothing. A poor mane body armor.
Point of telling this is a lot can happen in mere seconds. People who think they don't need to carry protection or think it's silly or paranoid make the best victims. Complacency Andrea false sense of security is your worst enemy.
 
#32 ·
you my friend live in a dangerous world, if you think about it.

matotime said:
Styrofoam like whats used in take out container. You know the tray with flip up top. Repeatedly heated and folded it becomes very dense and hard enough to sharpen. It's very lightweight so even a rubber band will secure it to leg or arm. Pass through metal detector. Very dangerous. The reason those felons were fighting was taken to the grave. The surviving felon claims he woke up, rolled off bed, pulled mattress over himself. 1 fatal blow to throat. 1 fatal head injury. 2 bled out from stabs 2 neck. The neck is primary target. Planning or fearing a fight they often used multiple layers of clothing. A poor mane body armor.
Point of telling this is a lot can happen in mere seconds. People who think they don't need to carry protection or think it's silly or paranoid make the best victims. Complacency Andrea false sense of security is your worst enemy.
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you choose to be there. nobody forced you. you choose to be in that situation. you choose to be in a dangerous place.
the point i was trying to get across with the choking was not to panic. you have time to escape "if" you know what you are doing. how long can you swim underwater and how far? do you die from it? no. :) be safe.

PS. i do know a little about hand to hand. ;)
 
#33 ·
Ofurhang said:
Also, if anyone knows of another type of weapon that looks innocent, but is potent, please let me know (must be NYC legal). I have heard about walking sticks, but im not old enough to need one, and would look very strange carrying one. Im trying to avoid suspicion, so thats out. And so is the roll of pennies in a sock, because thats also obviously a weapon.
Thank you in advance!
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It is against prison regulations to walk into the yard with a tightly rolled newspaper secured by ordinary rubber bands. To learn why, roll one up and strike a wall with it thrusting style. It delivers an awful lot of force - especially if the user has good body mechanics.

As for fighting with Kubotans, Sais, swords, canes, nun chucks, etc., I have no idea how to do that. Brawling with any of these things if easy though. Fighting with these things takes a lot of practice (years) and a certain amount of natural athletic ability that some people simply do not have.

In the end, a lot of people have been killed or injured because they confused the ability to brawl with the ability to fight, and then got over confident. As for carrying illegal weapons of any kind, I simply would not do that - especially in New York.

Ps I do not mean to sound "preachy" . At the same time, I want to help you avoid bad decisions.
 
#35 ·
Jaqhama said:
Kubotans were all the rage with cops and security people years ago.

I don't know any that carry them now.

I did carry a home made one, cut from a piece of Privett branch, but mine had a point on one end and a knurled knob on the opposite end...and would really do some damage if I used it...but the baton has always been superior to the kubotan.

We still carry batons because they have proven to be useful in a variety of situations.
As most of us carry torches on our belts or in our vehicles if we had to use a kubotan like implement, then we'd use the torch.

You can carry a small maglite on your belt 24/7 and no one bats an eye.
Small maglite...kubotan...no difference. Except the maglite is 100% legal anywhere.

In truth when an altercation has erupted and I was in close proximity to the offender, I just used my hands and legs/feet to put him/her on the ground and keep them there.

Back to the walking stick...as good as a baton (if you buy/make a sturdy model) and perfectly legal anywhere in the world.
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With all innovations in the law enforcement/ security fields things either get smaller or they get totally reinvented . Like how the Asp replaced the straight stick or the side handle baton .The rage is now tactical pens . The reason is that it is a pen is something that is going to be carried with them regardless of what they are doing and it effectively bridges the gap between using an open hand and an asp . I have a tactical pen just cause it is cool to use when signing in and out at the range but I always have it on me . My advice is that if you get a tactical pen be sure it is smooth at the ends . The techniques I have learned when it comes to pain compliance requires additional pressure from your thumb to increase pain and stability .
 
#36 ·
Mr.Mayhem said:
Wait a minute. Youre saying you always wwalk around with a cane and your carry weapon, just in case you don't have your carry you could use the cane? Why wouldn't you just take the cane when you know you can't take your carry piece?

I've never heard of someone faking a cane so they can have an improvised weapon. Seems just as unnessocary as the guys who carry 2 guns 2spare mags for each, and 4 knives, 2 flashlights, a first aid kit, lock picks, all to the grocery store. I mean I'm all for concealed carrying and being prepared but there's a line in the sand, and to me, constantly being strapped up for war is way over the line!

Sorry for the rant!
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Is it really that difficult to understand why someone would choose to have lethal AND less lethal options? It males perfect sense to me. You're comparison is so ridiculous as to appear to be trolling.
 
#37 ·
Kubotan works great if you use it to maneuver people around to where you want them. If you use one to multiply your force, you can maneuver a guy right into a wall face first. That pretty much stops them cold just about all the time. If you use them to apply force to a wrist, thumb, finger or joint the pain can become awful. I saw one guy wet himself from the force of a kubotan being applied to his wrist. Once some people find out how effective a kubotan is, they almost become sadistic when they use them. So if you decide to use a kubotan please learn to have some discretion with it. Don't become a ruthless sadist on a power trip using one.
 
#38 ·
Kubatons are a force multiplier and you should learn the pressure points and arm bars for use with the kubaton. Using it to help with arm or wrist bars is a common practice. With the proper use of force and leverage they are a great back up weapon. If asked tell the police it's a window breaker or just carry a window breaker tool to use as a kubaton. You might consider seeing about a can of mace or a taser if you can carry them too. They are much better incapacitors and take only a little practice. Using a kubaton well will take a fair bit of practice. That being said, a kubaton to any vulnerable area (hands, fingers, joints like elbow, wrists, or shoulder blade) can be painful enough to incapacitate an attacker and an effective deterent.
 
#39 ·
a kubotan takes time to pull out and get in a right position in your hand, it is unlikely you would have time to even get it out and prepare it for a fight, i would recommend an asp if you want something that is close quarter, you defend against a knife fight and keep people away from a short distance with it, just my opinon
 
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