.223 vs .308

wtr100 · Jul 31, 2012

how many angles can dance on the head of a pin?

my thoughts in psedocode no less

If ( going to / would you like to ba able to hunt deer size game with it)
then set answer = .308
else set answer = .223
end if

IdahoHeat · Jul 31, 2012

wtr100 said:
how many angles can dance on the head of a pin?

my thoughts in psedocode no less

If ( going to / would you like to ba able to hunt deer size game with it)
then set answer = .308
else set answer = .223
end if

thats a really good point to take into consideration.. i havent thought about it all that much... but it might be necessary at some point for me to start taking down game as my primary source of rations.. at the same time though it would be nice to have something a little more lightweight. making it a little more versatile or portable for me.. in the end (or whatever happens ) , i dont want to take more with me than I need to , I dont think anyone does..

mefunkymxw · Jul 31, 2012

wtr100 said:
how many angles can dance on the head of a pin?

my thoughts in psedocode no less

If ( going to / would you like to ba able to hunt deer size game with it)
then set answer = .308
else set answer = .223
end if

oh boy... although i agree with you, you are going to draw the ire of folks who have taken whitetail with .223 and will swear by it... personally my deer rifles are a .50 caliber smokestick (remington genesis) and a 7mm rem mag bolt action (remington 700 adl)... if i were to go old school i would take my kar98 in 8mm mauser...

regardless, some people will staunchly argue that .223 is sufficient for deer especially when topped with certain bullets... i dont believe them, but just expect some flak on these boards on that assertion

falloutmike · Jul 31, 2012

Yea, don't believe a .223 is sufficient for deer. The hundreds that are taken each year with the round are make believe. The favorite caliber for poachers and spotlighters has always been either a .22lr or a .22mag. I guess they are more powerful than a .223.

mefunkymxw · Jul 31, 2012

falloutmike said:
Yea, don't believe a .223 is sufficient for deer. The hundreds that are taken each year with the round are make believe. The favorite caliber for poachers and spotlighters has always been either a .22lr or a .22mag. I guess they are more powerful than a .223.

and the millions taken each year with more powerful centerfire rounds (.243 and above) must be legend as well

ryan6864 · Jul 31, 2012

The 223/556 was brought about because the military feels that more rounds are better. Now this maybe true if you have a military sending 10,000s of rounds down range but id rather go with the 308 myself.

ryan6864 · Jul 31, 2012

falloutmike said:
Yea, don't believe a .223 is sufficient for deer. The hundreds that are taken each year with the round are make believe. The favorite caliber for poachers and spotlighters has always been either a .22lr or a .22mag. I guess they are more powerful than a .223.

MonsterMash · Jul 31, 2012

I like both....although my. 308 is meant to reach out and touch someone. Think of a defense grid if you will. Beyond 300 yards is 308 territory. Hopefully I can dissuade any baddies from coming closer with precision fire. 300 yards and in, its a little more serious and I'll be ****ing lead from an M4gery. If that doesn't work, and they keep coming....I want maximum damage at minimum distance. It would be a 12ga at that point.

Distance is your friend and would be a good time to identify and eliminate any leadership you can pinpoint. But don't restrict yourself to one platform or caliber. Sometimes you need a hammer. Sometimes you need a wrench.

BoycottTheDay · Jul 31, 2012

My vote is for both!

ReconCorpsman · Jul 31, 2012

ryan6864 said:

Sarcasm. :thumb:

falloutmike · Jul 31, 2012

No funky guy. .308 is quite a bit more powerful. No one is arguing that. But you stated you do not believe the. 223 is adequate for deer. You are without a doubt wrong regardless what you believe. Ryan, I stated that in jest bc hundreds of deer are killed each year with a .22lr or. 22mag yet the funky guy doesn't even believe a .223 will do the job.

Baddogg5 · Jul 31, 2012

I see the old 5.56 vs 7.62 debate is still going on......whatever you pick stock up on ammo

IdahoHeat · Jul 31, 2012

Baddogg5 said:
I see the old 5.56 vs 7.62 debate is still going on......whatever you pick stock up on ammo

atm im leaning more towards a .223 round... i went out and got to shoot my friends 308 the other day , and ive gotta say... thats a wonderful piece of engineering.. i dont think either way im gonna be dissatisfied , im also thinking about how much ammo ill be able to carry in my go bag and other details like that

wtr100 · Jul 31, 2012

besides 30-06 in the form of the M1 Garand is most betterester than either anywayz

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on the practical side - how many folks here have the ability to make a shot past 100 yards anywho?

(duck and cover drill)

MIL-DOT · Jul 31, 2012

The OP didn't say, but I'll assume the intended purpose is for all-around home defense and potential SHTF uses. If so, the .223/5.56 is the most practical for numerous reasons. Yeah,yeah, I know, the .308 packs more punch and has greater range, but for likely,realistic applications for a regular joe in the United States, the .223 is closer to being ideal.

wtr100 · Jul 31, 2012

MIL-DOT said:
The OP didn't say, but I'll assume the intended purpose is for all-around home defense and potential SHTF uses. If so, the .223/5.56 is the most practical for numerous reasons. Yeah,yeah, I know, the .308 packs more punch and has greater range, but for likely,realistic applications for a regular joe in the United States, the .223 is closer to being ideal.

what he said

IdahoHeat · Jul 31, 2012

wtr100 said:
besides 30-06 in the form of the M1 Garand is most betterester than either anywayz

:

on the practical side - how many folks here have the ability to make a shot past 100 yards anywho?

(duck and cover drill)

i would hope most... one of the best shots i've ever made was @ 600 yards with a .270 weatherby(bullseye shot) , i can consistently make 100 yard shots... i would hope most everyone else here can too so i dont have to start feeling bad for people, does anyone know the max effective range for a 223 round ? someone already stated here that 900 yards or so is max effective range for the .308

wtr100 · Jul 31, 2012

IdahoHeat said:
i would hope most... one of the best shots i've ever made for @ 600 yards with a .270 weatherby , i can consistently make 100 yard shots... i would hope most everyone else here can too so i dont have to start feeling bad for people, does anyone know the max effective range for a 223 round ? someone already stated here that 900 yards or so is max effective range for the .308

we shoot .223 at 600 yards in service rifle - it works better with 75 + 80 grain bullets but it is possible with other bullets if the wind isn't too bad - granted the bull on the MR-1 is like 3' across

Dutchmano1 · Jul 31, 2012

.308. It's got better range, is more lethal, and has better penetration at all ranges.

falloutmike · Aug 1, 2012

.223 max effective range is 600 yards.
.308 max effective range is 800 yards.

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