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#23 ·
Kevin3 said:
Holy **** mates! I'm get confused reading so much information on these weapons and a lot of the times the info counters each other.

Today or in the next month or two I want to buy an AK.

The last question I have is I want an AK 47 I "think" there are AK74s, SKS, a lot of different AKs out there. Like I said, looking for a very durable, reliable, accurate up to 300m rifle.
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I went through the process several years ago and my research led me to the Chicom MAK 90, great rifles for the money.
I sold my MAKs when the AWB expired and replaced them with a single pre-ban Norinco type 56S, this one is a keeper.

 
#24 ·
If you aren't looking to spend alot of money. I think Polish Ak's have the best quality and accuracy. Then the romanian one's after that. Just make sure you get a chrome lined barrel, hammer forged is prefferred. Try atlanticfirearms.com
 
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Kevin3 said:
What if I am looking to spend around 2500? What is the best AK i can get for that? Reliable/Accurate/ All the bells and whistles
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If you have $2500 to spend, I'd be looking at Kreb's and Rifle Dynamic's, period. Or, possibly even better, buy an Arsenal and spend the remaining money on several cases of ammo and a bunch of magazines. :thumb:
 
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*Paladin* said:
If you have $2500 to spend, I'd be looking at Kreb's and Rifle Dynamic's, period. Or, possibly even better, buy an Arsenal and spend the remaining money on several cases of ammo and a bunch of magazines. :thumb:
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Are Arsenals good?

Rifle Dynamic's vs Kreb's? Krebs Sells rifles where it looks like RD wants you to buy your own and they will upgrade it.. Is this true?
 
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unless you are super rich, i wouldnt go buy the "best" ak out there.you might find you dont like it.it is better to crawl before you walk.i have seen this many times over "learn iron sights first,it is the most important", seems logical.the main complaint against AK platforms is the iron sights.then your still in debate with the calibers,try out some saigas.they make all the main calibers in AK form,including 308.and they are cheap,you can buy the main 4 main calibers(7.62,223,5.45,308) in converted saigas for around 2500$ @ centerfiresystems.com(i added the 150$ average cost of converting).
 
#30 ·
Kevin3 said:
Holy **** mates! I'm get confused reading so much information on these weapons and a lot of the times the info counters each other.

Today or in the next month or two I want to buy an AK.
Can someone set me up with a list of brands of AKs from top to bottom? Idc about price. I'm looking for a badass tough hard hitting combat rifle.
Along with the list of brand please tell me why they are better or a top tier.
If I'm stupid and there is already this somewhere please send the URL.

The last question I have is I want an AK 47 I "think" there are AK74s, SKS, a lot of different AKs out there. Like I said, looking for a very durable, reliable, accurate up to 300m rifle.
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if you want a hard hitting round and accurate out to 300 meters, Go with a 308.

I've had AK's before and they aren't that great when it comes to accuracy.

if your in a fire fight out at 300 yards and they go prone I think it is pretty save to say you aren't going to hit them ( unless your hickok45)

IMO The AK is made to be a full auto weapon. it is almost like a "shotgun rifle"
 
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Kevin3 said:
Are Arsenals good?

Rifle Dynamic's vs Kreb's? Krebs Sells rifles where it looks like RD wants you to buy your own and they will upgrade it.. Is this true?
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Arsenal's are great! They are Russian made at Izhmash (the same factory that builds the AK74 for the Russian military). They come into the US as Saiga's, and then are legally converted to full AK splendor by Arsenal in Las Vegas. I own an Arsenal SGL31 (AK74) and it's the absolute best AK I've owned. It is nearly as accurate as my M4gery.

RDs is known for customizing customer rifles, but I believe you can get complete rifles from them as well. I'd call them and ask the question. :thumb:

EDIT: Well, you may be right. Maybe they do just do improvements on existing rifles. I'm going to the gunshow in Vegas this afternoon. Hopefully RD will have some reps there and I can ask them... :thumb:
 
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FYI when people say AKs are not accurate they mean your not going to shoot 1.5-2" groups at 50 yards. You will be shooting 4"-6" groups......... Who cares folks! Honestly an AK is a assault weapon. Built for human size targets! Your not going to be shooting a mouse with it. Sorry just sick of hearing about ak accuracy.
 
#33 ·
tonyt said:
FYI when people say AKs are not accurate they mean your not going to shoot 1.5-2" groups at 50 yards. You will be shooting 4"-6" groups......... Who cares folks! Honestly an AK is a assault weapon. Built for human size targets! Your not going to be shooting a mouse with it. Sorry just sick of hearing about ak accuracy.
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I care. Because your 4"-6" groups at 100 yds means 8"-12" groups at 200 yds, and at 300 yds you're now talking a group size of 1.5 to 2 FEET. Now we're talking about serious likelihood of completely missing a "human size target", especially when you include human error.

This is why when I buy AKs, I prefer to buy quality AKs that are fairly accurate. My SGL31, for example, will hold 2"-3" groups at 100 yds (prone supported position). This means I will still be effective out to at least 300 yds.

THAT'S why I care. :thumb:
 
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*Paladin* said:
I care. Because your 4"-6" groups at 100 yds means 8"-12" groups at 200 yds, and at 300 yds you're now talking a group size of 1.5 to 2 FEET. Now we're talking about serious likelihood of completely missing a "human size target", especially when you include human error.

This is why when I buy AKs, I prefer to buy quality AKs that are fairly accurate. My SGL31, for example, will hold 2"-3" groups at 100 yds (prone supported position). This means I will still be effective out to at least 300 yds.

THAT'S why I care. :thumb:
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Well in a " real life situation" you shouldn't be shooting at some one that far away. You should be avoiding fire fights. Your not a solider, and your not Rambo. If some one is 300 yards from you and you think they could be a threat. Leave the area. The key to survival is to stay low. Not get into fire fights unless there's no other choice. Soooo like I said accuracy of a AK is a problem at all. I mean bullets will be shot back at you. Save your ammo and the risk of loved ones.

I mean honestly..........:rolleyes:
 
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*Paladin* said:
As donald150 said, the AK47 is a 7.62x39mm rifle and an AK74 is a 5.45x39mm rifle. The AK74 is a direct result of the Soviets observations in Vietnam. They say the value in a smaller, lighter round of ammunition. So, in 1974 they transitioned to the AK74.

I much prefer the AK74 to the 47. I've shot both of them on auto (military training) and the difference between them is substantial. the 74 had very little muzzle rise as opposed to the 47. The 47 was all over the place. Obviously, with a semi-only civilian rifle, the muzzle rise difference isn't as noticeable, but there IS a difference.

In the accuracy department, I have NEVER shot a 47 that was as accurate as my Arsenal SGL31 (AK74). My 74 is almost as accurate as my ARs. Performance-wise, the 5.45 is in the same ballpark as 5.56mm NATO.

The best AKs you'll get, in my opinion, are Chinese, Russian, Bulgarian, Yugoslav and Hungarian. I have run across some questionable Romanian rifles and while the quality of the Polish rifles is good, the Polish Tantal's sold by Century had key-holing issues early on. My understanding is that this has since been resolved.

I like the Arsenal line of rifles, and if you have more money to spend there is Rifle Dynamics and Kreb's lines of custom AKs as well. Arsenal, Kreb's and RD's are all "top tier" rifles. Don't overlook the Norinco/Polytech rifles that were imported into the states in the 80's and early 90's. They are great rifles as well.
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I think this covered it.I would only add that the Romanian SAR1 is a fine AK.A good base rifle to tune up the way you like,it would need some work Like FCG etc.
 
#37 ·
Does anyone know the difference between the AK74s made in the Russian Izmash Arsenal vs. Vyatskie Polyany Machine Building Plant (a.k.a. "MOLOT")?

I want to get an Ak74 made in Russia, obviously converted in the USA, but I'd like to know the difference. Or if I should just stay away from them period.
 
#38 ·
tonyt said:
Well in a " real life situation" you shouldn't be shooting at some one that far away. You should be avoiding fire fights. Your not a solider, and your not Rambo. If some one is 300 yards from you and you think they could be a threat. Leave the area. The key to survival is to stay low. Not get into fire fights unless there's no other choice. Soooo like I said accuracy of a AK is a problem at all. I mean bullets will be shot back at you. Save your ammo and the risk of loved ones.

I mean honestly..........:rolleyes:
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So you're saying just because avoidance is a sound tactic that accuracy is unimportant?

I mean, honestly.........:rolleyes:

Oh, and no, I'm not Rambo, but you know nothing about me, or my BOL, my family, etc. So pizz off.
 
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No I'm saying a 300 yard shot to a human is just ridicules. You shouldn't be shooting anyone unless there's no other option. And 300 yards away, there's other options. And a AK is an assault weapon. So you wouldn't be shooting a animal with it. You should be using a 22lr and shooting small animals so you don't waste any food. I don't know you or your family or your bug out location. But if you shooting at anyone 300 yards away you better re think what's best. I'm not trying to be offensive at all. But every firearm has its purpose. Accuracy is very important. Ak is accurate just not as a ar15. It's accurate for what it was built for, human size targets. And if you never shot a firearm while your being shot back at, your accuracy goes away anyway with all your adrenaline and the fact your moving around not shooting steadily controlling your breathing.

So no I'm not trying to offend you or anyone. But if I had to make that far of a shot by any means of would grab one of my 308 bolt actions. Not be using my ak or ar.
 
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You will be using whatever you have on you, very few senarios where u can go "grab" the ideal gun.

On Rifle Dynamics last I heard they gave all options (upgrade your on to pre-selected in- shop builds)



IMHO fighting rifles are light as possible while retaining strength/ function with excellent C.O.B
Minimum # of accessories to do job.
 
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