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Discussion starter · #61 · (Edited)
Making more Jerky today..... new recipe.

I trimmed a 5.2lb Round Roast and sliced it 1/4" (I like it thicker and chewier, rather than brittle dry, but since thicker I will have to dry for 5-6 hours rather than the recommended 4 hours.) I did freeze the roast for a couple of hours before trimming the fat and slicing.

Two baggies were filled, each with 2lbs, 6oz of meat.

With three cups of distilled water, I poured in half a bottle of Dale's, added garlic and onion powder, more smoked Paprika than last time and a little Cayenne Pepper... and added more salt to for a stronger brine, since it was so diluted. Half was poured in each baggie.

The first baggie marinaded for 2 hours. (The second will marinade for 24 hours and I will dry tomorrow, because my little dehydrator will only handle 2-3 lbs of meat at a time. Plus I want to compare short to long marinades.)

On two trays I sprinkled course black pepper and the other two trays without pepper.

PS. As an experience, since I had a single empty tray, I thin sliced Pepperoni and we shall see what happens with that.


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Discussion starter · #62 ·
Back when I was a kid and lived in the John Day Valley of Oregon, there was a Turkey Farm in Prairie City. In the fall, they would sell Turkey Jerky. My older brother, 20 years old at the time, was addicted and he would buy two bags a week. Back then it was outrageous at a price of $5 a lb (1978), but I remember it being just spectacular.

Has anyone played around with the notion of making Chicken Jerky? Boneless, skinless Chicken breasts are half the price of Beef.

Or what about Pork Loin Jerky? A Pork Loin is super lean and dirt cheap, comparatively.


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You’re doing the calculation wrong. You’re paying $5 a lb for the raw meat….but by the time you process it, you lose a large part of that weight. Lose half the weight, you double your price per pound. Plus you’ve used spices and ingredients and power or pellets or fuel that aren’t free. 😉

Not that I’d buy any either, I’m making it every time.😁

Ok... here's the real deal... with my batch of 2 lbs 6 oz.

After 6 hours of drying, the Jerky weighed 1lb, 3 oz.

I paid $4.68 lb for a 5.24lb roast, $24.52 total.

After trimming the 8 oz of fat, the price per lb was $5.16 per lb, and I had 4 lbs and 12 oz.

After drying half of the meat, 2 lbs and 6 oz., the weight was 1lb 3 oz.. 50% yield.

So the price of my jerky per pound is $10.32 per pound, plus the cost of marinade and spices.

Does that sound right? Is my Math correct?

$10 per pound, probably $11 per lb with spices..... beats the heck out of $30 per pound in a store.

Now... If I had scored a kill on a whitetail or Axis ... the meat would be free, minus labor.

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Discussion starter · #65 ·
By the way.. the Pepperoni slices turned out awesome... They were very fatty and had to be padded in paper towels, but I froze them and they should be great.

The wife, who hates jerky... loved the Circ's..... Circ's is what I am calling them now and the next batch will be peppered summer sausage.
 
Discussion starter · #66 ·
Update this morning...

The Pepperoni's this morning were nasty... They tasted like rancid fat. Won't do that again. Coming hot out of the drier was when they tasted good.

The first batch of jerky that finished yesterday and marinaded for 2 hours is just too bland. We will see what today batch tastes like... but I may have the marinade too diluted.

But as I told my brother.... this is a science experiment, until we land on the marinade recipes that we love. And while I prefer a little thicker jerky, this batch may be a little too thick. I probably need to keep them closer to 1/4".

Second batch went in this morning. With the slices more like 1/4" to 1/3" thick, I will definitely have to dry for at least 6 hours.

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The first batch of jerky that finished yesterday and marinaded for 2 hours is just too bland. We will see what today batch tastes like... but I may have the marinade too diluted.
So what I do is when I'm mixing my marinade, which varies some as I just add until it tastes good.

I put in salt and flavors until it tastes way too salty. Then I know it is just right.
Has worked for me, your mileage my vary.

PS
I brine my meat for 2 days. One days is OK if you are in a hurry, but isn't quite as soaked in.
 
Discussion starter · #68 ·
So what I do is when I'm mixing my marinade, which varies some as I just add until it tastes good.

I put in salt and flavors until it tastes way too salty. Then I know it is just right.
Has worked for me, your mileage my vary.

PS
I brine my meat for 2 days. One days is OK if you are in a hurry, but isn't quite as soaked in.
I did the exact same thing using the taste test and then add more salt.

The second batch from this round of jerky is really good. The difference between two hours of marinade and 24 hours is significant.

Maybe next time I will brine for 2 days like you suggest.

But I think this recipe is my favorite so far. Dale's is just really good stuff.
 
What temperature do you run your smoker at? How long does the meat sit in smoker for?
Sorry for not responding earlier, I have been away from any internet service. I use a Green Egg smoker which is a traditional wood fired smoker. I like to set the temperature right around 160F. There isn't an exact length of time because each cut of meat is a bit different. Generally what I look for is I will lift up a piece and bend it. When the fibers in the grain of the meat just begin to slightly break apart but the meat is still pliable I pull it off. I lightly pat the meat with a towel to pick up any residual liquified fat to prevent it from going rancid over time. Generally speaking each batch takes right around two hours.
 
Sorry for not responding earlier, I have been away from any internet service. I use a Green Egg smoker which is a traditional wood fired smoker. I like to set the temperature right around 160F. There isn't an exact length of time because each cut of meat is a bit different. Generally what I look for is I will lift up a piece and bend it. When the fibers in the grain of the meat just begin to slightly break apart but the meat is still pliable I pull it off. I lightly pat the meat with a towel to pick up any residual liquified fat to prevent it from going rancid over time. Generally speaking each batch takes right around two hours.
Thank You for the information.
 
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OK. After much discussion and emails amongst the relatives and translation of her / their ingredient amounts. Here is the Rou Gan Jerky:

There are a couple of ways to make this.
-The Chinese way, which requires Chinese cooking equipment & ingredients
-The Americanized way which utilizes American cooking equipment & substitute ingredients, if not available in your area.

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Chinese Method:
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2# Pork shoulder with lots of fat
1 Tbs Rice Wine
2Tbs Soy Sauce
1 Tbs Fish Sauce
1 Tbs Sesame Oil
1/2 Tsp of 5 Spice powder
1/2 Tsp Ground Pepper or to taste
2 Tbs Sugar
2Tbs+ Honey / 1-2 Tsp Water melted together
Parchment paper

-Mince pork shoulder meat
-Mix with all ingredients --except the honey-- until "gooey"
-Cover and marinate for 24 hours (or next day)

-Cut parchment paper into appx 9" squares
-Press meat into 8" square on parchment paper
-Put saran wrap on top
-Roll out to about 1/8" --Important, must stay in one solid piece
-Trim excess to form 8" square
-Should make about 3-4 ...9" squares

(This step requires the Sun Gods to cooperate)
-set in sun at high noon for an hour+
-Turn over and leave in sun for another hour+
If Sun Gods are angry, Chinese Bamboo steamer for 10 minutes (not as good)
-pat dry
-Cut into 4 pieces
-brush with honey mixture on each side
-grill on charcoal grill for appx 3-5 minutes per side until done
-edges will start to char it is done
-use caution as honey will burn easily
-Let sit until cool and eat
(Many people in China do not have ovens, thus the sun/steaming/grilling)

-Seal leftovers and keep @ room temp lasts about 3 days
or
-Freeze
She says refrigerated makes them less flavorful,
letting it sit for a day before eating(torture), it tastes better also


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OK if you made it this far
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American Method:
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
(Uses same ingredients or you can substitute with 2# ground pork)
2# Pork shoulder steak with lots of fat (20%)
1 Tbs Rice Wine (Can use any Cooking wine)
2Tbs Soy Sauce
1 Tbs Fish Sauce (Add Soy Sauce if no Fish Sauce is available)
1 Tbs Sesame Oil (Use Olive oil or Sunflower oil)
1/2 Tsp of 5 Spice powder (Leave out or use All-Spice or Shrachi Sauce)
1/2 Tsp Ground Pepper or to taste
2 Tbs Sugar
2Tbs+ Honey / 1-2Tsp Water melted together
Parchment paper


-Ground pork or Mince pork shoulder meat
-Mix with all ingredients --except the honey-- until "gooey"
-Cover and marinate for 24 hours (or next day)

-Cut parchment paper into appx 9" squares
-Press meat into 8" square on parchment paper
-Put saran wrap on top
-Roll to about 1/8" --Important, must stay in one solid piece
-Trim excess to form 8" square
-Should make about 3-5 ...9" squares

-Place in 200-225 degree oven for 6-8 minutes
-Flip meat, bake for another 6-8 minutes
-Should feel slightly dry to the touch
-Let cool
-Cut into 4 pieces

Final step, you can grill outside or finish in oven
-Turn up oven to 425 degrees or grill on high
-Coat sides with honey
-Place on grill or oven rack over pan to catch drippings
-can use drippings to mix with the honey glaze
-If using oven for appx 5 minutes --watch carefully for burning!
- Flip, place in oven for 5 minutes --be careful of burning
-When edges start to char, it is done

Seal in bags @room temp or freeze.

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This stuff is expensive, appx $20 a pound in China, ready made.
It is usually eaten or given as Gifts for Chinese New Year, which starts Feb 10 this year.

Please let me know of any typos.
I think I have converted the amount/temps to Imperial correctly
if something looks weird please let me know and I'll edit it out.
 
You’re doing the calculation wrong. You’re paying $5 a lb for the raw meat….but by the time you process it, you lose a large part of that weight. Lose half the weight, you double your price per pound. Plus you’ve used spices and ingredients and power or pellets or fuel that aren’t free. 😉

Not that I’d buy any either, I’m making it every time.😁
I made some more tonite. Used the Wal-Mart package which is ok (Hickory Flavor) but I like the marinade better.

Anyway, I started with 13.1 ounces of raw beef, and ended with 4 ounces. That's about a <calculator keys tapping...> 30 percent yield.

So, $5/pound for raw meat is $5 for 4.8 ounces of jerky, by my process and calculations.

Mine is 1/8" to start. I'm anxious to try 3/16" or maybe 1/4".
 
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OK. After much discussion and emails amongst the relatives and translation of her / their ingredient amounts. Here is the Rou Gan Jerky:

There are a couple of ways to make this.
-The Chinese way, which requires Chinese cooking equipment & ingredients
-The Americanized way which utilizes American cooking equipment & substitute ingredients, if not available in your area.

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Chinese Method:
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
2# Pork shoulder with lots of fat
1 Tbs Rice Wine
2Tbs Soy Sauce
1 Tbs Fish Sauce
1 Tbs Sesame Oil
1/2 Tsp of 5 Spice powder
1/2 Tsp Ground Pepper or to taste
2 Tbs Sugar
2Tbs+ Honey / 1-2 Tsp Water melted together
Parchment paper

-Mince pork shoulder meat
-Mix with all ingredients --except the honey-- until "gooey"
-Cover and marinate for 24 hours (or next day)

-Cut parchment paper into appx 9" squares
-Press meat into 8" square on parchment paper
-Put saran wrap on top
-Roll out to about 1/8" --Important, must stay in one solid piece
-Trim excess to form 8" square
-Should make about 3-4 ...9" squares

(This step requires the Sun Gods to cooperate)
-set in sun at high noon for an hour+
-Turn over and leave in sun for another hour+
If Sun Gods are angry, Chinese Bamboo steamer for 10 minutes (not as good)
-pat dry
-Cut into 4 pieces
-brush with honey mixture on each side
-grill on charcoal grill for appx 3-5 minutes per side until done
-edges will start to char it is done
-use caution as honey will burn easily
-Let sit until cool and eat
(Many people in China do not have ovens, thus the sun/steaming/grilling)

-Seal leftovers and keep @ room temp lasts about 3 days
or
-Freeze
She says refrigerated makes them less flavorful,
letting it sit for a day before eating(torture), it tastes better also


---------------------------
OK if you made it this far
---------------------------


:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
American Method:
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
(Uses same ingredients or you can substitute with 2# ground pork)
2# Pork shoulder steak with lots of fat (20%)
1 Tbs Rice Wine (Can use any Cooking wine)
2Tbs Soy Sauce
1 Tbs Fish Sauce (Add Soy Sauce if no Fish Sauce is available)
1 Tbs Sesame Oil (Use Olive oil or Sunflower oil)
1/2 Tsp of 5 Spice powder (Leave out or use All-Spice or Shrachi Sauce)
1/2 Tsp Ground Pepper or to taste
2 Tbs Sugar
2Tbs+ Honey / 1-2Tsp Water melted together
Parchment paper


-Ground pork or Mince pork shoulder meat
-Mix with all ingredients --except the honey-- until "gooey"
-Cover and marinate for 24 hours (or next day)

-Cut parchment paper into appx 9" squares
-Press meat into 8" square on parchment paper
-Put saran wrap on top
-Roll to about 1/8" --Important, must stay in one solid piece
-Trim excess to form 8" square
-Should make about 3-5 ...9" squares

-Place in 200-225 degree oven for 6-8 minutes
-Flip meat, bake for another 6-8 minutes
-Should feel slightly dry to the touch
-Let cool
-Cut into 4 pieces

Final step, you can grill outside or finish in oven
-Turn up oven to 425 degrees or grill on high
-Coat sides with honey
-Place on grill or oven rack over pan to catch drippings
-can use drippings to mix with the honey glaze
-If using oven for appx 5 minutes --watch carefully for burning!
- Flip, place in oven for 5 minutes --be careful of burning
-When edges start to char, it is done

Seal in bags @room temp or freeze.

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

This stuff is expensive, appx $20 a pound in China, ready made.
It is usually eaten or given as Gifts for Chinese New Year, which starts Feb 10 this year.

Please let me know of any typos.
I think I have converted the amount/temps to Imperial correctly
if something looks weird please let me know and I'll edit it out.

I will try this... as I have Pork Loins ready to go....


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Jerky must be lean to not go rancid FWIW
 
My question and curiosity are.... What is your favorite Jerky Recipe?


Daughter and SIL gave me a Dehydrator for Christmas, so Jerky was the first order of business.

I sliced a Flank Steak thin and then marinaded for about 30 minutes before drying.

This is the marinade recipe I used.

2 Cups Soy Sauce
2 Tbl Spoons of Worcestershire Sauce
1 tsp of Garlic Powder
1 tsp of Onion Powder
1 tsp of Smoked Paprika

This little Dehydrator did a great job on the meat slices that were correctly cut at 1/8" thick and finished the job in 4 hours at 165 degrees. I did have some 1/4" slices and they took an extra 2 hours.
I use this plus 3 Tbl spn of honey and 2 tbl spns of ground black pepper or red pepper flakes
 
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