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This will seem cold, but under no circumstances do you let the prisoners go free. Or else you just unleashed a huge, violent and capable mob that will be willing to do anything to everyone in the surrounding areas. Lock the place down tight and walk away.
 
If I worked in a prison and it were up to me and help was never coming? I would take the time to go through all the inmate files and set free any of them that were in for drunk driving, tax evasion, drug use, etc. Anyone that was violent or a sexual predator would get one behind the ear. I would not let them go, nor would I leave them to die slowly of starvation. It's one of those hard choices everyone always talks about here.

This is of course in a total EOTWAWKI situation, not a blizzard.
 
I hope you LEO, Firefighters and medical types don't mind me chiming in but the military does not cut and run when the shtf. If they did, this would be desertion. As was mentioned you took an oath to protect and serve and uphold the law. You would be contributing to the total chaos that would engulf your communities. This is just my two cents. I was in the military and I took an oath to protect our country. When it was time to saddle up the family took a back seat no matter what. God, country, the corps and then family. Semper Fi.
 
I hope you LEO, Firefighters and medical types don't mind me chiming in but the military does not cut and run when the shtf. If they did, this would be desertion. As was mentioned you took an oath to protect and serve and uphold the law. You would be contributing to the total chaos that would engulf your communities. This is just my two cents. I was in the military and I took an oath to protect our country. When it was time to saddle up the family took a back seat no matter what. God, country, the corps and then family. Semper Fi.
Last time I checked our military wasn't preparing to take down the Federal Reserve, so that whole protect from enemies both foreign and domestic thing must not hold up to well by todays standards. I have a feeling it is going to be the old farts who are going to have to kick the can.
 
I hope you LEO, Firefighters and medical types don't mind me chiming in but the military does not cut and run when the shtf. If they did, this would be desertion. As was mentioned you took an oath to protect and serve and uphold the law. You would be contributing to the total chaos that would engulf your communities. This is just my two cents. I was in the military and I took an oath to protect our country. When it was time to saddle up the family took a back seat no matter what. God, country, the corps and then family. Semper Fi.
You dont have to remind me of my commitments there bucko. I and my family know all to well the sacrifices we have made so I can serve. I live a third of my life away from my wife and children. I also understand the military mans way of life. My father, father-in-law, both grandfathers and all my uncles all served in every campaign from WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, Panama, and the first Gulf War.

As I said earlier, bug the family out to safety, then bug back in to do the job that I have the obligation, and priveledge to do. I dont always put my family first, but when that catastrophic event that we all hope doesnt happen does, I sure as crap wont put them last.
 
I hope you LEO, Firefighters and medical types don't mind me chiming in but the military does not cut and run when the shtf. If they did, this would be desertion. As was mentioned you took an oath to protect and serve and uphold the law. You would be contributing to the total chaos that would engulf your communities. This is just my two cents. I was in the military and I took an oath to protect our country. When it was time to saddle up the family took a back seat no matter what. God, country, the corps and then family. Semper Fi.
I have news for you pal. The police and military have families also. If it all comes apart and nobody in this country is safe anymore, they are not going to let their families die in order to protect yours. I hope you have the means to take care of that yourself. They will sacrifice, suffer and fight for you, but at the end of the day, it's probably going to be every man for himself. Don't fool yourself.
 
When do public servants bug out? I'm kinda of the opinion that... you don't. As a military member, I don't have bug out plans and all that. I'm grabbing my **** and going to work. I expect you to do the same.

If you can't hack it, that's well and fine, but save your employer the grief and quit now, and don't let that "sheepdog" crap come out of your mouth. I consider it a loyalty issue, both to your agency and the people you serve.

Start grooming your family to use initiative and independence, so you don't HAVE to drop everything you're sworn to do and babysit them.
 
As a LEO. I have approached this this question with major thought on it. After many years of pondering I have come up with this.

1 - My jurisdiction is small and rural. It is most likely a place where many may Bug Out to. That being said, barring a massive natural disaster in my specific area. I plan on Bugging in and continuing my chosen profession.

2- as I enforce the law I must follow it as well, or I fail to have the moral fortitude, and public trust to enforce the law. The law here states that I may not quit my post while on duty ( thats why it is a duty ) however after shift I may quit. Even if It was a natural disaster in my area I would probably send my wife a kids to the BOL, Finish shift, and then resign to take care of my own.

This would have to be quite the disaster to make this happen. As I said above In most TEOTWAWKI scenarios I will bug in and continue to keep the peace in my community. whatever that may require.

by the way you LEO's, Para-Meds, and Hose monkey's know what I mean when I say, "SHTF? Ok, done that before."

I have thought about some scenarios that would drive me from my job. I'm a beat cop in a patrol car. The main one that I have been thinking about lately is the Los Zetas drug cartel along the southern Texas border. They are killing cops in Mexico like they were flys to be swatted. Granted, most are corrupt, but a lot are not.

I am not going to take a bullet for anybody. If they start killing Texas cops like they are in Mexico, i see a mass of cops quitting there jobs. The same thing is happening in Mexico. Just last week all the police in Tamalupis, a city of 1 millions people, all the city cops quit. There was a cartel attack on their police station. The cops there only make 8 dollars a day. Would you stay?

Yes, this is a dangerous job, but if you look at the stats, only 75 police officers are murdered out of 1.2 million cops a year in the united states.
Check out www.ODMP.org

As far as an invasion, not only will i quit, but i will burn down the police station so that there is no record that i was ever a cop there.

All other disasters I will likely stick it out, until the paycheck is worthless.
 
When do public servants bug out? I'm kinda of the opinion that... you don't. As a military member, I don't have bug out plans and all that. I'm grabbing my **** and going to work. I expect you to do the same.

If you can't hack it, that's well and fine, but save your employer the grief and quit now, and don't let that "sheepdog" crap come out of your mouth. I consider it a loyalty issue, both to your agency and the people you serve.

Start grooming your family to use initiative and independence, so you don't HAVE to drop everything you're sworn to do and babysit them.
So, by getting my wife, my 5 year old and my 2 year old to safety means I am disloyal? Sorry, but you can take that and stick it. Again, bug the family out, as a father/husband/leader of the house thats my first responsibility. As a Fire Captain/Paramedic, bug back in to take care of bidness.

I am glad you have served your country and I salute you for that, but I am not in the military, when the fecal matter hits the spinning blades, my family comes first, then I will bug back in and take care of yours that you left.
 
Well seems that some of you LEO are in the wrong business. I read some good comments here but on the other side maybe some of you should be looking for employment elsewhere. You took the oath to protect and serve. Do not come crashing down on me, I am just adding my two cents for what it’s worth and that may not be much. I have spent months away from my family and if they ever needed anything the wife new what to do. I here about this order of fraternity within the LEO community and I can respect it. We had the same thing in the military but if you cut and run, try not to run to fast that the yellow line on your back keeps sticking. Some of you folks with your comments bring respect to your profession others; well you know how I feel.
 
I have thought about some scenarios that would drive me from my job. I'm a beat cop in a patrol car. The main one that I have been thinking about lately is the Los Zetas drug cartel along the southern Texas border. They are killing cops in Mexico like they were flys to be swatted. Granted, most are corrupt, but a lot are not.

I am not going to take a bullet for anybody. If they start killing Texas cops like they are in Mexico, i see a mass of cops quitting there jobs. The same thing is happening in Mexico. Just last week all the police in Tamalupis, a city of 1 millions people, all the city cops quit. There was a cartel attack on their police station. The cops there only make 8 dollars a day. Would you stay?

Yes, this is a dangerous job, but if you look at the stats, only 75 police officers are murdered out of 1.2 million cops a year in the united states.
Check out www.ODMP.org

As far as an invasion, not only will i quit, but i will burn down the police station so that there is no record that i was ever a cop there.

All other disasters I will likely stick it out, until the paycheck is worthless.
Get out of law enforcement! "you wont take a bullet for anybody?" what did you sign up for? Why do you carry a firearm? You get paid for those risks!. Its called inherit risks of the job...and it is actually illegal for you to refuse work on the grounds of danger. What did you think it was?...go work at walmart
 
Well seems that some of you LEO are in the wrong business. I read some good comments here but on the other side maybe some of you should be looking for employment elsewhere. You took the oath to protect and serve. Do not come crashing down on me, I am just adding my two cents for what it’s worth and that may not be much. I have spent months away from my family and if they ever needed anything the wife new what to do. I here about this order of fraternity within the LEO community and I can respect it. We had the same thing in the military but if you cut and run, try not to run to fast that the yellow line on your back keeps sticking. Some of you folks with your comments bring respect to your profession others; well you know how I feel.
I'm getting the impression you took an oath so what are you doing currently as our country is going down the drain? Leadership by example or armchair quarterback, I would just like to know?
 
I’m not in any of the listed professions, my kids are in the military so that gives me a little understanding but that is it. However looking at it from a logical point of view we can only expect so much. I figure all these people put their lives on the line every day so we only have the right to expect so much for the pay they receive. A police officer here in my small town would receive backup and gratitude from his community. Another in a big city or along the Mexican border is in an entirely different situation. There is just such a gap in how the job plays out. How can we judge a first responder on the boarder for wanting to protect their family when the government has been tying their hands for years? If the government doesn’t care enough to help them and we the people don’t care enough to force the government to care why should the police there risk their families in a SHTF situation for us?

Thanks to all the first responders and military for all you do while the rest of us sit back and play Monday morning quarterback. God bless you all.
 
Katrina was a peek at the reality of when things go really bad.

Some people were upset that LEO's left to take care of their families.

I'm not in that camp.

Survival instincts will usually always kick in, no matter what your profession.

Nothing wrong with taking care of self, family and friends.

Tough call but you do what you have to do.
 
Well seems that some of you LEO are in the wrong business. I read some good comments here but on the other side maybe some of you should be looking for employment elsewhere. You took the oath to protect and serve. Do not come crashing down on me, I am just adding my two cents for what it’s worth and that may not be much. I have spent months away from my family and if they ever needed anything the wife new what to do. I here about this order of fraternity within the LEO community and I can respect it. We had the same thing in the military but if you cut and run, try not to run to fast that the yellow line on your back keeps sticking. Some of you folks with your comments bring respect to your profession others; well you know how I feel.
sf45acp, you sound like your (don't take this as a personal shot) brainwashed. There comes a time in a Man's life when you have to evaluate your personal life and the world that you live in, sorta like Smedley Darlington Butler did. He was retired at rank of Major General. Here is my favorite quote from Mr. Butler:

"I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force--the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was part of a racket all the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service."
Smedley D. Butler (1881-1940)

The only thing i do not agree with in the above quote is where he says: he was a "Muscle man for capatilist" although he was a "Muscle man" it was not for Capitalism, it was for racketeers.

So, there is an inherent diffrence between Military and Civilian Law Enforcement. It's time the Military (especially the Corps) learn this diffrence.

So, you would go awol on your familiy to protect politicians and there Racket?
Have you looked at Obama's criminal associates? There real winners, there communist, Eugenisis, radical domestic terrorist etc.Now, Bush, Clinton Etc. are no diffrent, there just taking orders from there masters and in essence so are you.

Now you don't have to be a DELTA (Detective) person to figure out the cause and effect of the missions you may or may not be serving, but here are a few.

Iraqi war: oil pipelines

Afghanistan: largest known mineral deposit on earth, Opium and another MAJOR oil pipeline.

Christmas day shoe bomber: naked body scanners at all airports, check out who has stock in this naked body scanner company.

H1N1 vaccine: Rumsfeld was a major share holder in the company that produced this shot.

For every fighting reason there is usually a money racket behind it.....Sorry, but it is the truth. The United States has had very little to no good reason to have our military involved in fighting for our freedooms. In fact another reason we fight wars is because of the global bankers love financing war, it's called the military industrial complex and it is a gold mine for the bankers, Major General Butler spoke of this alot.
Now, i am not suggesting a bunch of cave dwellers would not love to kill Americans, because we know they would, our Government just uses there services for there agenda.

So, for your sake, get out of the robot mentality and think while you can.

Before you spout off at the mouth i hope you take the time to educate yourself on the matters at hand.

check out the Federal Reserve act of 1913 and the gold standard act of 1971.

Thomas Jefferson said it the best in this quote:

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson,
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

I was once like you and understand where your coming from, i just realized that there was more to what we were told and i was thankful a Marine actually opened my eyes years ago with this truth.
 
I hope you LEO, Firefighters and medical types don't mind me chiming in but the military does not cut and run when the shtf. If they did, this would be desertion. As was mentioned you took an oath to protect and serve and uphold the law. You would be contributing to the total chaos that would engulf your communities. This is just my two cents. I was in the military and I took an oath to protect our country. When it was time to saddle up the family took a back seat no matter what. God, country, the corps and then family. Semper Fi.

As a soon to be LEO (starting january), I want to say that we don't have the resources the military has. We don't have huge reserves of fuel, food, vehicles etc. We also don't have bases, bunkers, or other police that can protect our families either.

But if you read my previous post you would see that my family would bug out ahead of me until I was released from duty then I would join them.
 
When do public servants bug out? I'm kinda of the opinion that... you don't. As a military member, I don't have bug out plans and all that. I'm grabbing my **** and going to work. I expect you to do the same.
Never bug out? I call bull****. There is a time for everything. If the situation is uncontrollable we may be released from duty. If so, then I am joining my family if there is nothing I can do.

If you can't hack it, that's well and fine, but save your employer the grief and quit now, and don't let that "sheepdog" crap come out of your mouth. I consider it a loyalty issue, both to your agency and the people you serve.
A little hostile aren't you?
 
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