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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dings/the-next-target-in-the-climate-change-debate-your-gas-stove-idUSKCN1VU18Q
WASHINGTON/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Dozens of cities in liberal-leaning states such as California, Washington, and Massachusetts are studying proposals to ban or limit the use of natural gas in commercial and residential buildings. The movement opens a new front in the fight against climate change that could affect everything from heating systems in skyscrapers to stoves in suburban homes.
Freaking amazing!

Hard to understand these people that live in a magical reality where they can wave wands and solve real problems. It is even harder to understand them getting into places of leadership where they can mandate impossible solutions.

Berkeley, California, in July became the first U.S. city to pass an ordinance banning gas systems in new buildings, and it may soon be followed by many others, according to interviews with local officials, activists and industry groups. Los Angeles and Seattle are among those considering laws that could drastically reduce natural gas consumption.
Makes me glad I don't live on the "Left" coast no more.
 
That is a new level stupidity. Especially for cities in northern states like New York and Minnesota considering we just had one of the coldest winters. No way we can heat all those home with electric heat when it gets down to -50 degrees. Even if we did electric heat cost 4 times as much as natural gas so we will all be broke.
 
There was a Democrat candidate a few years ago who actually wanted to ban the use of solar panels "because they drained the sun's energy too fast." This is for real. She thought that solar panels pulled power from the sun and she was worried that the sun would be prematurely drained of all power. The sad part is that some pundits attached this dumb woman's concern to AOC shortly after she got elected which was funny in its own way. They're out there and they breed too, Guys. Doesn't that just scare the holy water right out of you?
 
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Everyone knows electricity comes from the wall ...
I sometimes think that amount of thinking is beyond many. Things just work because they are supposed to and we want them to. If they don't it is because some big meany is stopping it.
 
I hope it passes in places like NYC and they cut their nose off to spite their faces. It will be a ban on "new" gas so it won't affect anything except the new building. Which will mean fewer new affordable buildings and higher housing prices.

Better yet would be a ban on using all fossil fuels for heat in any buildings and then shutting them off in the winter to freeze to death in their towers. What better way to put them out of our misery then to let them implement the impossible. They can put a solar rooftop on each high rise and heat the building with that. :rolleyes:
 
I could see a requirement for alternative energy such as solar for areas with abundant sunshine. I believe every new home should have solar panels. I don't believe the govt should force it on anyone.
Just set the propaganda machine in motion encouraging the use of solar panels.

They need to address nuclear waste before they worry about natural gas.
 
I always thought natural gas was a better choice, environmentally speaking. Guess I was wrong. I do know that heating with electric heat around my parts is very expensive. We use fuel oil and our costs are much less than my friends who have electrical everything. That is regardless of what fuel oil prices are; still cheaper.

I do remember a large power plant in Carlsbad when I lived in CA. They had a huge up-take of fuel. Where I rarely saw saw a tanker there, it kept increasing. So they were burning fuel oil to get electricity. I always wondered how good that was for the environment.

But now I see times where even some communities around here are trying to regulate wood heating which is still a big thing here in the winter for many people. So it's not only the west coast joining in the games.
 
If you use electricity to heat your house, the source that makes that much energy, you have to burn something.

I switched from fuel oil heat to gas in 2009, what a clean difference and so much more reliable.. did I say cheaper? My budget plan is $107/month, $1284 a year. Back then I was spending 2x that on oil.
 
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They also have decided they don't like windmills cause birds get killed flying into them & they have to build lines to carry the electricity. Also some varmints are displaced by the windmill tower & the transmission lines. They are never happy, they are just opposed to modern technology. If you don't believe that, ask one, that is if you can get them to look away from their smart phone for more than 2 seconds. Don't ask them as they're driving their electric car that is powered by unicorn rainbow farts, cause driving & texting is already distracting enough for those eco-warriors.

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... These people really haven't a single brain cell between their ears..
Which would be no problem if they were not in charge of things. But for some odd reason their numbers are growing and the numbers of people that can reason seem to be dwindling.

We don't even have a "B" Ark in construction to deal with them. :cool:
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dings/the-next-target-in-the-climate-change-debate-your-gas-stove-idUSKCN1VU18Q Freaking amazing!

Hard to understand these people that live in a magical reality where they can wave wands and solve real problems. It is even harder to understand them getting into places of leadership where they can mandate impossible solutions.

Makes me glad I don't live on the "Left" coast no more.
It's far more efficient to burn natural gas at a power plant, convert some of the heat to electricity, push that electricity over miles of wire, then convert it back into heat. :upsidedown:
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dings/the-next-target-in-the-climate-change-debate-your-gas-stove-idUSKCN1VU18Q Freaking amazing!

Hard to understand these people that live in a magical reality where they can wave wands and solve real problems. It is even harder to understand them getting into places of leadership where they can mandate impossible solutions.

Makes me glad I don't live on the "Left" coast no more.
Thought I was joking, about they want you dead. California moving to BAN gas cook stoves. Eventually they will have you backed into a cave in the dark, defenseless and gnawing on a bone. Fossil Fuels produce the food, and deliver the food, fossil fuels heat and cool your homes. Fossil fuels feed BILLIONS of people. Without fossil fuels Billions will die off. The Global Warming Fraud will kill more than all Communists and NAZI's In history when it takes hold completely. The Great Die Off is Coming and Dummies are supporting and voting for it everyday.
 
UPSIDE of the EXTREMOPHILES who want to ban Natgas..
There will be a surplus of it available for those who do use it and that should make it cheaper to burn.

There are no natural gas lines available where I live.. which is interesting because there is a BIG natgas pipeline running underground now 5 miles away from my... but no one within 20 miles gets to tap it.
It all comes down from the north to fuel the southern part of Michigan.

Here heat sources are
wood..regular firewood and pellet stoves
fuel oil
propane
electricity

Solar is a nonstarter because in northern Mich, the winters consist of about 80% of the days being heavy overcast. Seriously, you have better odds with a slot machine then seeing the sun in winter on any given day.
 
It's far more efficient to burn natural gas at a power plant, convert some of the heat to electricity, push that electricity over miles of wire, then convert it back into heat. :upsidedown:
Glad you had the upsidedown emoji ... :D:

My natural gas furnace is 94% efficient. Gas fueled power plants are less than 40% efficient at turning heat into electricity. 60% of its energy is lost in turning it back into heat.

How does it possibly make sense to ban natural gas that actually does what it does best. Such as making heat.
 
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How does it possibly make sense to ban natural gas that actually does what it does best. Such as making heat.
It sorta makes sense (in a bizzaro magical reality) if the goal is to eliminate all bad environmental effects from drilling, refining, piping/transportation and eventual burning of nat gas. Though that kind of sense is entirely missing the big picture. Not to mention the environmental pure alternatives do not exist to replace it.

Stop global warming! Eliminate mankind.
 
If they outlaw natural gas, the big fat methane-producing cows of The View will have to move out of America, so there is an upside to it.

I know this is not specifically about power plants, but the same things apply, and it's all part of the same big lies about climate change. I spent 30 years working on power plants (coal, nuclear, and sometimes natgas), and much of that time I was working on air cleaning systems for coal plants. Coal is efficient, and it can produce clean electricity. Everyone who knows the subject knows that. The war on coal is nothing but an attempt to make America poor and backward like the third world, because poor backward people are easier to control.

Coal plants are filthy on the inside, but the air quality control systems (AQCS) keep the filth inside. Gas fired power plants are really clean, even inside the furnace, based on what little experience I have working on them. No sane person would oppose that fuel source, unless their purpose is something other than their stated purpose. And the same thing should apply to any use of natural gas. If it polluted the air, we would not be using it to heat our homes and cook with.

Electricity is fine for heating as long as it doesn't get too cold out. I want to see how the Northeastern liberals like it when they have to use it during one of their cold winters. It's probably fine for CA though.

And here's another important point. From the time our immigration laws were changed by traitors in 1965 our population grew by roughly 100 million, with most of that growth coming from third world poor streaming in. We had stabilized our population growth. Since Americans use more power and resources than third world poor, this massive expansion greatly increased our so-called carbon footprint. And the same liberal cult telling us we have to lower our standard of living to supposedly reduce our footprint is the reason for that expansion in the size of it.
 
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