https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...tics/trump-to-make-announcement-on-partial-government-shutdown-from-rose-garden
Trump plans on working with Democrats.
All those poor federal workers can feed their families now and buy toilet paper again...
Trump Caves, Chuck laughs...
Israel Putnam
Trump plans on working with Democrats.
All those poor federal workers can feed their families now and buy toilet paper again...
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So this is nothing?
Nothing happened now?
You sound like those climate alarmists claiming the sky will fall in 35 years.
Putting off your “reaction” until a later date is a cop out.
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I honestly think it’s not that most people want illegals here it’s just that it doesn’t affect them one way or the other so they are indifferent.
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Israel Putnam, so you want to get your panties in a bunch and say this is going to happen or that is going to happen and this is what I am going to do. I say you are wasting your breath and your time worrying about something that you have no control over. I say your time is better spent getting ready for the unknown and making plans to act accordingly instead of saying this guy failed and these guys won. If you make a solid plan of your own actions then it doesn't matter when the proverbial shtf happens, you will be prepared. But if it never happens then all that much better. Face it, You have no control whatsoever over DC and you never will, all you can do is expect the worst (and prepare) and hope for the best. So no, it is not a cop-out, it just seems like to me you are someone who thrives on controversy, and I am not about all of that.
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So why’d you even bother commenting let alone reading the thread?
Why do you care about anything?
Why even bother voting.
Let’s all just bury our heads in the sand and not worry about a single darn thing...
It’s called conversation.
It’s called having an opinion.
Too bad you don’t understand how it works.
Trump banned bumpstocks and people are making the same excuse for him as you are doing for this:
Oh well, nothing we can do, let’s wait for SCOTUS to fix it...
Red Flag laws:
Oh well, he has a plan, we should wait and see what grand scheme he really has in store for the Dems...
Obozo drew his line in the sand with Assad and when Assad stepped right over it we called him out for it.
When Obozo tried having the ATF ban SS109 ammo we make a stink and it didn’t happen.
But Trump is a Republican so gosh darn it we just need to sit on our hands and shut the hell up.
I guess I’m just one of the few people who don’t think Trump can do no wrong or who never fails.
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Israel, I never said Trump can do no wrong, what I said is that I am not going to give myself a heart attack over it. I have a solid plan in place should all hell break loose and I am extremely comfortable with that plan (I also have a back up and a back up for my backup) What I am saying is that so many on here and other places want to have a call to arms (i,e, we need to do this or we need to do that) when in fact nobody really knows what we need to do because none of us on this board have an inside view on what is really going on. I talked with a friend of mine who told me if scenario played out he was ready to go to war and I told him that he would just be another statistic on the 6 o'clock news for the Dems as to why Americans should not have guns and in the end what would it accomplish? it would get him killed and normal people would become targets for gun grabbers. And let's face reality, 99% of all the arm chair commandos in this country would go pee pee in their bdu's at the first shot. So there is a lot of banter about what needs to be done and nothing gets done. As far as Trump goes, as far back as I can remember, he is the first person that actually tried to live up to his campaign promises and I respect him for that but do I think he is the be all end all? No, in the end he is just one man and the left is an army. There is no such thing as Rambo so what can be done?
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That is a very real possibility on both of your points!
Two thoughts though:
1) Ideologs simply believe what they are told and parrot talking points. We know this is a fact.
2) Democracy = mob rule. Since we are not a democracy, what most people want may not be what's best, and the number that want should never be a factor.
If we as a nation want them, then simply provide the means for it to happen. Welcome them in, instead of making it a struggle through the wilderness. There is a way to do things right and that comes with a large number of positive, essential points.
However, for the record, I WANT THEM GONE. Deport them, turn them back immediately through a one way door in the fence and remove them from my town. I'm tired of the constant local robberies, the gangs, the way they clog the local hospital, and the additional $2000 school tax for illegals I'm required to pay. (this is over an above my normal property/school taxes)
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That is so stupid. Don't you know that the southwest belonged to Mexico at one point. So of course there is going to be a higher Hispanic population in those states. You probably need to use a better map to get your point across. Many were already here.Good to see that people still have hope.
What I see is a near continual loss of liberty on a state level basis and a leftist generated and facilitated non military invasion of our sovereign lands.
Article IV, Section 4: The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.
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Clearly they are pouring over the border, settling here and not leaving. That is an invasion, and it cannot be called anything else. Definition of invasion: entrance as if to take possession or overrun
I haven't read every reply here, so something like this may have already been said. I bet than in about three weeks the president will be signing a bill into law that gives him a small part of the money for the wall. In return, there will be a ton of things that the dems. want in it. It would not surprise me one bit if there are not some SERIOUS gun laws in the bill, like an "assault' gun ban, outlawing private firearm sales, magazine limits, etc. I'm afraid that if he gets his money for the wall, Trump will turn on gun owners in a heartbeat. I hope I'm wrong, guess we will see.
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It’s been mentioned and there are others who have the same gut feeling based on Trumps prior words and actions.
The funny thing is that many gunowners would make excuses for him saying it’s just a 4D chess move to actually strengthen the position of gun owners even if he called for door to door confiscation and public hangings of those who didn’t comply.
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Pres. Trump says border negotiations with Dems to start immediately https://www.oann.com/pres-trump-says-border-negotiations-with-dems-to-start-immediately/
And...
Pres. Trump says 8k person caravan coming to border, calls for wall https://www.oann.com/pres-trump-says-8k-person-caravan-coming-to-border-calls-for-wall/
And...
Pres. Trump says 8k person caravan coming to border, calls for wall https://www.oann.com/pres-trump-says-8k-person-caravan-coming-to-border-calls-for-wall/
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Funny the Dems have an opportunity here. I wonder if they see it. If not...More free consultation lol. Hijack the fight. Hijack the agreement. Bring forth high tech solution while still giving funds for a barrier in the composition of the existing steel fencing already in place. Add in 360 surveillance, radar, video cameras, additional virtual fencing, and military tools to seal off the nation. Minimize by highlighting the simplicity of cave man thinking facilitated by a cave man himself trump with his concrete wall that will start deteriorating in a couple of years. Add in protections for Daca and Tps. It's a win win. Highlight the simple mind that we have in office. Steal the argument Nancy Duh! You just have to get ahead of it before Trump tries to take credit. Make him the opposition when he tries to go against your ideas because their your proposals.
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Yeah, he hasn't even renegotiated really bad trade deals nor pulled us out of any Middle Eastern ****holes nor appointed lots of conservative judges nor even driven the proverbial dagger through the heart of Obamacare.
Oh, wait, yes he has.
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All of this assumes that they WANT to secure the border, which they don't. They need the anchor babies and illegals to cement their socialist takeover. Not enough Americans will vote for them.
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They already started the narrative as evident by the videos being broadcasted by right wing media. They care more about power than anything. Trump took a good portion of the white working class from them. It might be of interest to get it back. The notion that they care more about unsecured borders than power is shortsighted. Trump hasn't exactly come through. Obama and bush built more wall than he has after all. See its not the notion of securing the border that the liberal base is against. Its the symbolizing of it that got them riled up. Take away the symbolization which only Pelosi can do and then you reveal rational minds at least with that issue. In essence kill the symbolization behind it. Only Nancy can do that. Take away the only power he has left.........
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Anyone claiming “there’s a strategy here” is part of the problem. Oh, is this more 4D chess? Enough making excuses for the guy. He isn’t a god. He has caved and compromised so many times now after endless tough talk, he’s lost almost all credibility.
Not sure how many times I can reiterate this without turning blue. He had a Republican supermajority and only got tax cuts done.
Trump’s mistake is thinking he can work with or make compromise with the Democrats. He and fellow Republicans think if they just play nice, they can get things done.
No. Do what the Democrats do and ram it through with or without their approval. It’s what they did with Obamacare and a dozen other laws. And they laughed at Republicans for thinking the Democrats ever wanted their approval.
It is Trump’s major weakness. He wants everyone to like him. He doesn’t understand that if he compromises the Dems will still always hate him. The Democrats only crave raw political power. Nothing else matters.
Not sure how many times I can reiterate this without turning blue. He had a Republican supermajority and only got tax cuts done.
Trump’s mistake is thinking he can work with or make compromise with the Democrats. He and fellow Republicans think if they just play nice, they can get things done.
No. Do what the Democrats do and ram it through with or without their approval. It’s what they did with Obamacare and a dozen other laws. And they laughed at Republicans for thinking the Democrats ever wanted their approval.
It is Trump’s major weakness. He wants everyone to like him. He doesn’t understand that if he compromises the Dems will still always hate him. The Democrats only crave raw political power. Nothing else matters.
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A few on this thread must have missed the narrative in the News. Chuck says that Trump closed the government and is holding the DACA infants hostage. Chuck won't negotiate with a Terrorist like Trump until he opens the Government.
So...… President Trump is opening the Government for 3 weeks so that Chuck can be proven to lie and not be worth negotiating with. Or.... maybe the Democrats will negotiate in the next 3 weeks, I don't know.
President Trump needs to prove the Democrats are not reasonable before he calls a state of emergency and builds a wall from Defense funds.
That's the Narrative. Its not over, as much as the never Trumpers want to tell you it is.
Will Trump have the Balls to call a state of Emergency and build the Wall?
Will Chuck and Nancy force him to do it in 3 weeks?
The only way you will find out is get your head out of your posterior and pay attention for a change.
Me? I will vote for a proven 2nd Amendment guy in the Republican Primaries, then vote for either Trump or him in the main election.:thumb:
So...… President Trump is opening the Government for 3 weeks so that Chuck can be proven to lie and not be worth negotiating with. Or.... maybe the Democrats will negotiate in the next 3 weeks, I don't know.
President Trump needs to prove the Democrats are not reasonable before he calls a state of emergency and builds a wall from Defense funds.
That's the Narrative. Its not over, as much as the never Trumpers want to tell you it is.
Will Trump have the Balls to call a state of Emergency and build the Wall?
Will Chuck and Nancy force him to do it in 3 weeks?
The only way you will find out is get your head out of your posterior and pay attention for a change.
Me? I will vote for a proven 2nd Amendment guy in the Republican Primaries, then vote for either Trump or him in the main election.:thumb:
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You know i have been going back and forth on this one. I ask myself if Trump is willing to shut it down again and replay this? From what I understand there was enough republicans signaling that they were going to bail on him that made the pressure too much to bare. The national emergency is where I think Nancy is dying for Donald too go. My gut is telling me that he really does not want to do this because of the potential implications, abuse of power, and potential immediate injunction by the courts that would halt anything. I think Trump has put himself in a corner. I am not buying the 3d chess moves everyone keeps on trying to spin. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but the one thing I am certain of is that with every moment of posturing on the wall that comes to fruition his position becomes weaker and weaker. That should be alarming to folks. This fight really should have taken place last year when he was negotiating from a position of strength. This is not 3D chess. It's weakness.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but I really don't think Trump cares if someone likes him or not, outside of his family at least. He may not want people to hate him, but he wants the power to do things his way also. Look at his attempted use of eminent domain in the past and how he has tried to use it to his advantage and the #*^# with what the owners of the property owners and others think. That doesn't fit in with someone who wants to be liked.
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Was reading an article that basically said with all the focus on the wall Trump is losing time he could be spending pushing other parts of his platform (drug prices, infrastructure, etc). Especially if he never gets his wall money.
Of course the wall is his centerpiece campaign promise and being something physical it would be a real monument of his presidency if it were to be built as he envisioned. So it makes sense that he'd focus so heavily on it. I know judges are getting nominated in the background though so that's good.
But you only get so many months as presidency....they're a very valuable commodity.
Of course the wall is his centerpiece campaign promise and being something physical it would be a real monument of his presidency if it were to be built as he envisioned. So it makes sense that he'd focus so heavily on it. I know judges are getting nominated in the background though so that's good.
But you only get so many months as presidency....they're a very valuable commodity.
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If you are right, and Trump caved, it must mean he has had enough.
We will find out when he starts campaigning for Pence to win in 2020.
Because if he has caved, after his disappointing concessions on the 2A
I don't care how good the Economy is, he is a one term President.
Sheeple care more about what Trump says, than if we have low unemployment,
high Growth, and a healthy Stock Market. This is the type
of stock Market where a person can make a lot of money just riding the Waves.
Personally, I have not made up my mind if I would rather have Trump, Pence, or try
for Cruz in 2020.
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