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#182 ·
Mad Man

[If this madman does launch a nuke and the missile carrying it malfunctions, as so many of his missiles have, and that bomb explodes a couple of thousand feet in the air the North Koreans will be history.
 
#183 ·
Estero bloke said:
Will we be at war with the norks by end of year?
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Estero bloke said:
Will we be at war with china/russia/ norks at end of year?
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vfo said:
[If this madman does launch a nuke and the missile carrying it malfunctions, as so many of his missiles have, and that bomb explodes a couple of thousand feet in the air the North Koreans will be history.
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All you have to know is 3 things

1. His missiles may or may not work

2. His nukes may or may not go nuclear

This is the important one:

3. Ours work, quite well
 
#185 ·
So, when I was in the Army way back when, I was stationed in South Korea. Even then, North Korea would hem and haw and posture. I would like to make a few quick points.

1: North Korea reacts with threats to an annual joint training operation the US military and Korean military conduct together. It's a week long drill where both militaries train as though they were responding to a genuine threat from the North. It's just par for the course.

2: North Korean leaders know they would be crushed in a military conflict, and would lose what little allied support they do have. They're so isolated, if they were to lose support from their few allies, they would not be able to survive. Sadly, being so isolated also makes it easy to oppress their own citizens. It's in the spirit of oppression and total rule over the population that North Korea makes their threats and even more sadly, it's effective.

3: Just having a successful ICBM launch does NOT mean they suddenly have the ability to deliver a nuclear payload to the US mainland. Unless I am mistaken, they haven't even been able to develop a nuclear warhead that is small enough to be fixed to an ICBM. Not to mention, one successful test means little. I can think of another world famous group that has had many successful launches and still experiences failures. You might have heard of them... NASA.

4: North Koreans have tiny balls.

The only reason I'd seriously worry about the US getting into a military conflict with North Korea is because of our rather unpredictable current commander-in-chief. Don't misunderstand me, I voted for him and am happy with... I'll say most of what's happened since he took office. But it's his take-no-prisoners, take-no-crap mentality that earned my vote, that makes me think he might put a few too many p.s.i. on the launch button he's fingering without considering the consequences completely.
 
#187 ·
ManyFeathers said:
All you have to know is 3 things

1. His missiles may or may not work

2. His nukes may or may not go nuclear

This is the important one:

3. Ours work, quite well
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I like what you said, and I agree. Mostly. As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day, we need to be aware this fat little queer (thanks estero, will be using that from now on) only needs to get lucky once to do damage.
 
#188 ·
We had better develop defensive measures against the Nork's nukes.

There is nothing trustworthy about them. Furthermore they ally themselves with other global bad actors. To assume it's simply us against them is foolish.
 
#189 ·
VagabondPrepWI said:
So, when I was in the Army way back when, I was stationed in South Korea. Even then, North Korea would hem and haw and posture. I would like to make a few quick points.

1: North Korea reacts with threats to an annual joint training operation the US military and Korean military conduct together. It's a week long drill where both militaries train as though they were responding to a genuine threat from the North. It's just par for the course.

2: North Korean leaders know they would be crushed in a military conflict, and would lose what little allied support they do have. They're so isolated, if they were to lose support from their few allies, they would not be able to survive. Sadly, being so isolated also makes it easy to oppress their own citizens. It's in the spirit of oppression and total rule over the population that North Korea makes their threats and even more sadly, it's effective.

3: Just having a successful ICBM launch does NOT mean they suddenly have the ability to deliver a nuclear payload to the US mainland. Unless I am mistaken, they haven't even been able to develop a nuclear warhead that is small enough to be fixed to an ICBM. Not to mention, one successful test means little. I can think of another world famous group that has had many successful launches and still experiences failures. You might have heard of them... NASA.

4: North Koreans have tiny balls.

The only reason I'd seriously worry about the US getting into a military conflict with North Korea is because of our rather unpredictable current commander-in-chief. Don't misunderstand me, I voted for him and am happy with... I'll say most of what's happened since he took office. But it's his take-no-prisoners, take-no-crap mentality that earned my vote, that makes me think he might put a few too many p.s.i. on the launch button he's fingering without considering the consequences completely.
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I am a Trump voter/supporter also, but I do believe that he will listen to his Military people before he makes any decisions, or takes any action.
 
#190 ·
cujet said:
We had better develop defensive measures against the Nork's nukes.
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You mean different defensive measures than the ones we already have had in place for the Russians, for decades?

I say we do a massive air drop on North Korea.

Massive amounts of food on little parachutes, like the Candy Bomber in Berlin, with messages that more food is waiting just across the border. If they vote with their feet like the East Germans did, it will be over in a few months, and North Korea will be a bunch of ghost towns.:rolleyes:
 
#191 ·
There are other countries with nukes supporting NK. That is a major concern.

It wouldn't take much to set off citizens into a food buying frenzy. Even those far way from trouble will finally decide to prep. Think about hurricane warnings and the stores shelves are stripped.

A nuke anywhere in the world caused by NK would trigger many things here.
 
#192 ·
I am not comforted by the fact that as much as I like him, we have a President that by his remarks, seems to have just realized we have boomer subs.

Nuclear triad, gee that's neat.
We just sent an armada to N Korea. and there is this submarine I just found out about. very powerful. Believe you me. :)

welcome to 1950s nuclear doctrine understanding.
 
#193 ·
NK might not have the know how to put a nuke warhead on a missile yet but they will sooner or later .

Kim might not be crazy enough to attack us or an ally but he will certainly use his nukes for intimidation and blackmail .

Meanwhile , with all the missile tests and failures it's possible 1 of those missiles could go off course and hit an unintended target . If that happens all bets are off .
 
#194 ·
If it was up to me, I would not do anything about that little jerk but ignore him, until he really does kill people . Then, I would turn NK into a crater. It would be justified. If the U.S. attacks him BEFORE he actually does anything but shoot missiles into the ocean, it will just be another long dragged out war like Afghanistan or Iraq. The U.S. should definitely wait until he does attack. What's the worst that can happen? He nukes LA, or NYC, or DC. Not a great loss imo but a great justification to destroy NK completely.
 
#196 ·
sonya1 said:
If it was up to me, I would not do anything about that little jerk but ignore him, until he really does kill people . Then, I would turn NK into a crater. It would be justified. If the U.S. attacks him BEFORE he actually does anything but shoot missiles into the ocean, it will just be another long dragged out war like Afghanistan or Iraq. The U.S. should definitely wait until he does attack. What's the worst that can happen? He nukes LA, or NYC, or DC. Not a great loss imo but a great justification to destroy NK completely.
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Scorched earth politics. I like this guy! Edit: can we send tidings of good cheer to the whole of the Middle East region of Earth while we're at it!
 
#197 ·
Woodswalker said:
NK might not have the know how to put a nuke warhead on a missile yet but they will sooner or later .

Kim might not be crazy enough to attack us or an ally but he will certainly use his nukes for intimidation and blackmail .

Meanwhile , with all the missile tests and failures it's possible 1 of those missiles could go off course and hit an unintended target . If that happens all bets are off .
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You're definitely not wrong. It's a soup sandwich to be sure.
 
#198 ·
ajole said:
You mean different defensive measures than the ones we already have had in place for the Russians, for decades?

I say we do a massive air drop on North Korea.

Massive amounts of food on little parachutes, like the Candy Bomber in Berlin, with messages that more food is waiting just across the border. If they vote with their feet like the East Germans did, it will be over in a few months, and North Korea will be a bunch of ghost towns.:rolleyes:
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That would just create another group of people that don't want to work and that we will feed forever. The US sends money all over the world in foriegn aid and the world hates us worse than before. We need to keep that money here, build up our infrastructure with American citizens doing that work. The fact that we are not doing it shows that the powers that be want a one world government. Taking citizens firearms is imperative to these plans.
 
#199 ·
BASS said:
There are other countries with nukes supporting NK. That is a major concern.
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No, it isn't. Those other countries aren't stupid or insane, if the Norks do something stupid, they won't overtly back them. They only support the North Koreans because they are a bargaining chip to use with us, and because they are easy cannon fodder if they want to test the waters at some point.

BASS said:
It wouldn't take much to set off citizens into a food buying frenzy. Even those far way from trouble will finally decide to prep. Think about hurricane warnings and the stores shelves are stripped.
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So...aren't you prepped yet?:confused:


BASS said:
A nuke anywhere in the world caused by NK would trigger many things here.
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You say that like its a bad thing.:cool:


Woodswalker said:
NK might not have the know how to put a nuke warhead on a missile yet but they will sooner or later .
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True. But can we stop with the weekly hand wringing and amateur analysis? The people that CAN do something about it are extremely aware of what's going on, and no one else can do crap about it, other than prep....which should be happening regardless of the Norks.;)

Woodswalker said:
Kim might not be crazy enough to attack us or an ally but he will certainly use his nukes for intimidation and blackmail .
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That's actually what he's been doing for his entire time in office. It's ALL bluster, the US has been feeding them and giving them sweetheart deals for a long time, in the name of humanitarian aid, but in reality, it's just negotiating with weakly armed terrorists, treating them like street hustlers that aren't worth the time to put in jail. At some point, soon, that has to stop, because the terrorist now believes the BS, and he's going to get a real weapon to feed that fantasy, without the real world knowledge of what it will mean to use it.


Woodswalker said:
Meanwhile , with all the missile tests and failures it's possible 1 of those missiles could go off course and hit an unintended target . If that happens all bets are off .
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That worries me, and possibly his allies as well. They keep trying to get him to stop, he keeps ignoring them, and they don't want to shatter his illusion of independence.

But it's possible that it's just lip service, they hope he will blunder in that way, so they can judge our response, and formulate plans for the future. Sacrificing him wouldn't hurt them at all in that case.
 
#200 ·
Estero bloke said:
Will we be at war with china/russia/ norks at end of year?
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This quote definitely applies to North Korea. The real question is, does it apply to the United States as well...

"In accordance to the principles of doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labor. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects, and its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society intact."

1984 The Movie

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