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07-14-2019 03:05 AM
dmas Cheap dahon folding bikes are faster than walking but slower than a mountain bike which in turn is slower than a cross bike or touring one. The one i had also had terrible band brakes that almost instantly faded out on a hill.
07-14-2019 02:11 AM
SoloLocoLobo
Montague folding bikes?

https://youtu.be/GwpxhakBbrQ
https://youtu.be/OXYo-Qc1Evw
Something like this is worth considering if you are only going to have 1 bike or maybe upgrading to a new bike? This was something I was considering and I have no opinion on these as I don't own one, but I like the idea of a folding bike for a BOV.
07-14-2019 01:37 AM
SoloLocoLobo
Why not a bike?

Out here where we are at it is a great choice for seasonal riding and exercise too. Very low profile and under the radar whether in cycling gear or civilian clothes as here you blend. Also with a large transient and homeless population the bike blends in or can with that group also further helping you be a more of greyman or persons.
I have a bike to ride for 100 plus miles or for serious rides like STP and a mtn bike and then a training bike, I also have a beater granny looking grocery getter for heading into down town or the slums! So that way I can select the bike as needed to be less noticed and it is fun to ride, for us anyways. The kids love it too and it is exercise.
07-01-2019 06:28 PM
Jim from 28DaysLater
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Originally Posted by Writer's Block View Post
You are no more vulnerable on a bike than any sort of motorcycle.

Just make sure that, even more than every day use, you make safety your number one concern. You need to wear gloves, a helmet, and any other protective gear you can. You need to ride at a consistent but not too fast pace. You need to keep in mind what things like wearing a pack will do on hills.

My mountain bike is decked out as a possible BOV.
If you HAD to pass through an area, for some reason, where a lot of potential enemies were standing around-- if the place was thick with them-- then it would make sense to not be on the bike.

As an intermediate measure, you could walk the bike. If the place was so thick with people / they looked so dangerous that even walking the bike seemed not good enough, then you could stash it. At least the bugout / get-home bike might have benefited you a lot, up to that point.
07-01-2019 06:15 PM
Jim from 28DaysLater
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Originally Posted by dyingslower View Post
I'm sorry, but IMO, this is a recipe for trouble.

Don't wanna walk at your age? Okay, how about taking a tumble off of a bike at your age? And before you think about how careful and steady you are, remember, the WHOLE IDEA hinges on the assumption that people will leave you alone to ride where and as you please.

You are totally vulnerable on a bike. Totally. Unlike a car, it takes both hands and both feet in constant use. A guy with a stick takes you down. A guy that simply grabs your arm takes you down. A guy with a bat takes you down, takes your bike, and you don't get up. Oh sure, you can be vulnerable in a car or on foot, but the former is not vulnerable to sticks and bats and the latter is not a target in the first place.

IMO, it makes taking a rough walk look easy.

Hiking to your BOL might require a day or two of recuperation, but riding a bike to your BOL might be something you never recover from. Just sayin....


DS
It's important to think about all this stuff, but it doesn't really add up to a reason to dismiss a bike. Too clever by half.

Militaries have used bikes--- one of the first German offensives in WWII was a LOT of guys using bikes in Denmark. They were successful. Also, police use bikes sometimes. It's not anything that cutting-edge anymore.

You can get around a LOT faster and easier on a bike than when walking. That's often a tactical technique--- if you can get through an area more quickly, all else being equal, it gives the enemy less chance to detect you. Lives could definitely be saved during the get-home situation because the potential victims just weren't around long enough for the badguys to show up and see them.

There are people training commandos to do J-turns to escape angry mobs, just in case you end up in just the right, narrow kind of situation when you need it... If the spec warfare community knows that's the right thing to spend time and money teaching to people to do with a car, then it certainly seems that bikes could be useful for that. Imagine having to flee a mob of zombies during the get-home situation. You definitely might be able to escape them on a bicycle, at times when they would have caught you on foot.

A bike doesn't have all the advantages of being on foot, but it has its advantages. People with bikes have definitely made some progress beyond the caveman.
04-07-2017 08:41 AM
survivedall
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Originally Posted by BAD WOLF View Post
I couldn't agree with you more that bikes are underrated in America apparently most survivalist haven't heard of the Ho Chi Minh Trail we could set up the same type of system after an EMP to move food and supplies
Probably one of the best ever examples of what can be achieved given that in some cases each bike was reputed to be carrying/wheeling upwards of 200-300 pounds in weight
04-06-2017 03:58 PM
BAD WOLF
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Originally Posted by xaunloc View Post
Bikes are greatly underrated and ignored as transportation in the US -- unlike nearly the entire rest of the world.

I don't know what "at my age" means for walking or biking - because people vary greatly in their ability and willingness to do either - but I will mention that cycling is a skill -- and the notion that once you learn you never forget is really nonsense. Cycling is perishable both as a skill and as an ability; both aspects require frequent practice.

Another factor is that the bike needs to be properly fitted to you (NOT vice versa!), properly adjusted, and well maintained. It is possible that you found a great bike on Craig's List, that you made sure it fitted you well, and that you have inspected, adjusted, and maintained the bike thoroughly since buying it -- but statistically I would doubt all of those things.

A good BO/GH bike does not need to cost a thousand dollars, you actually CAN find one on Craig's List or at WallyWorld, although the selection is certainly better at a decent bike shop.

Depending on the terrain, a "cruiser" may be a better choice than an "mountain bike" - and a hybrid might be better that either. One thing I would highly recommend would be choosing a bike with disk brakes instead of rim brakes. Disk brakes used to be rare on entry level bikes, but they are becoming more common. The biggest advantage is that disk brakes work even when wet (albeit not quite as well) but traditional rim brakes are nearly useless when wet -- plus the rim brakes will get wet simply from passing through a puddle while disk brakes generally only get wet in significant rain (or trying to cross a stream more than a foot deep).

Lighter weight is touted as a great benefit of more expensive bikes -- but lighter weight is not likely to be much of a benefit to you unless your situation is almost entirely on pavement and requires a lot of uphill climbing or carrying your bike over obstacles.
I couldn't agree with you more that bikes are underrated in America apparently most survivalist haven't heard of the Ho Chi Minh Trail we could set up the same type of system after an EMP to move food and supplies
03-10-2017 01:12 AM
kl0an I was pondering the idea of using one of those tire rubbing generstors to charge a cellaphone or my 2 meter handlheld while trying to get home or to my bugout location. I was wondering what current it had, output etc.. SO I googled it and found this little gem.. A DIY bike generator converter for charging I Phone or androids depending on what cable you put on the end.

I would think I could even make one twith the proper end to charge my 2 meter low power 2 meter handheld as well.. Time to find my wire snips and fire up the soldering iron..

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/charge-...one-ride-bike/

Scroll down that page until you find the DIY Pedal Power Phone Charger video. Pretty east to build even for the not so electrical engineering inclined amongst us..
03-09-2017 12:19 PM
kmussack When working at the office I'm 12-miles from home. If for some reason my truck is disabled or I am otherwise unable to use, it my secondary get-home plans includes my paratrooper bike;


This bike folds for convenient transport under the cover of my truck bed.


With this bike I can get home in a couple of hours with minimal effort. This compares favorably against a 5-hour blistering hike.
03-09-2017 10:42 AM
InOmaha Just look at WWII. Multiple armies used bicycles; the Germans, Americans, Japanese, British, Dutch, etc.

Heck the British even jumped out of planes with them.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mili...ding-bicycles/

Beats walking. And if you have 4 or 5 in your group with weapons showing, most people would leave you alone.

03-08-2017 11:08 PM
Heal My work was 70 miles away and was right over to San Andreas fault in plamdale CA. and I keep a folding bike in my truck. I use to tell my wife if the fault goes It may take a few days but I will be home.
03-08-2017 04:51 PM
InOmaha If I walk unloaded, it's 3 mph. I can run 6 mph. I can bike an average of 16 mph. With 20-25 mph peaks and faster downhill (unlike walking you only need to work uphill).

I can only run for 6 miles and I start slowing down to walking speeds. I can bike 16 miles in the same time frame. My typical 22 mile bike workout route takes 1hr 20 minutes if I stop for a water break. If I bring along someone who's not fit we average 9 mph and if they are semi fit we average 12 mph.

A slow 9 mph is 1/3 faster then my running speed and I could do that pace sun up to sun down, days on end. But, I'd attempt to push through the whole trip at once.

Loaded down you'll want racks, panniers, and maybe a trailer. That's why I use a heavy old 45 lb mountain bike to train but own several 20-25 lb bikes I can mount and carry stuff on.

If you're worried about getting jumped, then conceal carry a gun. People conceal carry them while they're riding for exercise in some cities now. When I leave at 5:00 am to ride it's dark and I take paths with no lighting and little traffic. An expensive bike in dark areas with no traffic can make for a target. A helmet mounted light allows you to look in different directions for more situational awareness (like missing rabbits, holes, deer, geese, runners with headphones dressed in black and other dangerous bike hazards). Bright handlebar lights shine where ever the bike is pointed.

In a SHTF that requires a bicycle I'll open carry a handgun and have a rifle across my back with my bags hooked to my rear rack.
03-08-2017 04:09 PM
plumberroy
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Originally Posted by JonF View Post
The Surly Pugsley can get through pretty much anything. Note, the price noted here is for the frame only. If you do a search on the Puglsey, you'll see that its a very popular bike for adventure riders.

http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/fat-bi...1_7816crx.aspx
Surly discontinued pugsley as complete bikes . I love surly but don't ride off road enough to justify a surly Fatbikes cost. The bike I posted above is $499 including shipping
I have a custom Surly Long haul trucker and a steamroller and will pick up a Cross check Fri.
Roy
03-08-2017 05:54 AM
JonF The Surly Pugsley can get through pretty much anything. Note, the price noted here is for the frame only. If you do a search on the Puglsey, you'll see that its a very popular bike for adventure riders.

http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/fat-bi...1_7816crx.aspx
03-07-2017 09:55 AM
bighanded thought about this thread on my commute home last night...10 miles of gridlock on the interstate as a semi had lost it and laid the entire rig down on it's side..blocking all 4 lanes of the southbound.

i watched as the occassional selfish basshat would run down the grass on the side of the highway trying to get to an exit ramp, folks trying to shift lanes and ticking off other drivers..it was a pleasant enough temp...and I was within 8 miles of my exit, and then another 7 miles to the house..easy enough pedal home if need be...and the news media on the radio was little help as to what the hold up was...if it was a hazardous truck etc..but with no rush to be anywhere and enjoying a conversation with my 86yr old mom on the phone, and plenty of gas in the tank (actually several folks ran out of gas and had to ditch it on the side of the road..amazing) anyway.. i just relaxed and enjoyed some extra chat time..but it was a nice feeling to know that:
1) I had a bike with me
2) i had supplies with me
3) I had protection with me
4) I had gas in the tank
5) I had communications

the only thing i didn't leverage, that was available, was my portable CB radio.. coulda turned it on and listened to the truckers to find out more info.
03-06-2017 07:52 PM
plumberroy The only drawback to this bike is size. the bike in the front is a 21in/53.5 cm Raleigh sports with 26 in tires (right size for 5'9'-6' person ) the bike I am talking about is behind it both bikes are set up for me at 5ft 10in. it is a large bike

03-06-2017 07:43 PM
plumberroy I am a bike-a-holic Surly is my favorite brand of bike But I picked up a bike from bikes direct that I am liking and think would make a good bike for this . It is a gravity bullseye 29 plus . I rode 16 miles yesterday on a bike trail I could run~10 mph easily the trail I rode runs along the river , there was nearly a mile of flood debris lots of dead wood wrist to leg size . I was able to gear down and ride over some really rough stuff . yet run at a decent speed on pavement
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...bikes-mtbs.htm
Roy
03-05-2017 12:58 PM
DKR Sometimes a bicycle is a good idea, and sometimes not so much - ie snow.



Pretty low profile and the Burley will haul 100 pounds of stuff.


A bicycle carries all of this with a fraction of the effort - and at 8 to 13 MPH. Walking with a load, you might get 3 MPH - might.


Close up showing an LC-2 (ALICE) frame under the tool bag. The frame can easily carry both panniers as the mounting hooks fit the frame like they were made to work together. i have the LC-2 frame shelf under there as well.

So, if for some unfathomable reason you had to ditch the bike and carry on walking - then the load on the bike can now go on the pack frame. The panniers are both roll top and completely water-proof.


If for some utterly unknown reason the ruck set had to be dropped, the butt pack on handlebars (now working as the chow bag) will carry minimal essential items.



Small pack is now setup to carry water, chow, saw, small stove, pot and so on. Not shown rigged to carry poncho set.

Doesn't matter how or what you use to carry something - flexibility should be your first consideration.

Finally, if I have spend time on the far side of town, I carry a small folding 3 speed bik to get home in extremis. Because it beats the hell out of walking.

FWIW - while I do write disaster fiction, I personally don't see hordes of Mau-Maus storming the city in the first couple of days. Figure 6 to 9 missed meals before it gets tense. More than enough time for me to get to where I plan to be.

Best of luck to the OP - sometime all life gives you is a set of choices that go from bad to horrible...
02-24-2017 01:37 AM
kl0an
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Originally Posted by Yosemite Bob View Post
Why did no one else think of this? Much better idea than a bike.
There's pretty much no chance of using stealth on a small bike like that one shown. If everyone around is looking for a way out and they hear a small motorbike, you're the next contestant on "This Could End Your Life".

With a bicycle, even one pulling a trailer, you at least have some stealth working on your side.

The guy on this Youtube video really has my interest peaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2EgMCk0sts in that he makes his trailers out of a few 20-26" rims, some 2x2, and left over election posters. A little spray paint and it's full camp. He's taken a couple of different versions to Burning Man and stayed in them for a week.

I've got a Cannondale mountain bike that I put much smoother road tires on (Really improves your rolling distance), put some beachcruiser handlebars on for comfort, have two old peperboy style wire baskets mounted over the back wheel that I plan to move to the front once I finish my trailer.

I've also got 2 folding bicycles, one is a Royce I used in Ireland when working over there, multi speeds, then one is a single speed with 12" tires. It can fold down and fit in a medium sized suitcase for travel. I plan to modify my trailer so I can pull it behind the little one. Even have the trailer collapse for small storage. They'd both ride under the bunks in the bed of my pickup truck and definitely be for emergency bugging out if my truck decides to give up on me.

The only disadvantage is the single speed but, in a way that's an advantage as well, less maintenance, less moving parts, lighter, smaller. Perhaps even find a larger front sprocket to get a little more speed out of it.

Once I sell off a few of my motorcycles, I plan to buy a 650+/- enduro bike. That'll get you away from the chaos, going up and down stairs with ease, through parks, across shallow bodies of water, and let you stay on the side of major highways to get to where you want to go.

Take a look at those links though, guy makes some pretty awesome trailers/homeless shelters.

I'd love to see the city of Protestland... Umm, I mean Portland take all those thousands of election signs and some left over 2x2's from construction projects and make a lot of homeless shelters out of them. Maybe have a design competition with the local archies and engineers to come up with the best ideas on a limited budget.

Better than my tax dollars paying for them all to have homes..
02-24-2017 12:03 AM
drobs Back in my 20's I took a 7 day bike trip with a large multi church group across Wisconsin. I was in much better shape back then but IIRC the average daily miles biked was 50 to 60 miles. On one of the days a group of us biked 100 miles. I had a heavy Trek mountain bike and made it. I'd plan on 2 to 3 days for a 100 mile trip right after an EMP event.

The roads where I live in S. Missouri are hilly and curvy w/ no shoulders, I'd be scared for my life riding a bicycle on these roads. Seeing how the locals drive - riding their vehicle's brakes down hills, I can tell they didn't grow up riding bicycles. Too dangerous.

If I was really concerned with EMP and had a long commute - I'd definitely look into keeping a bicycle in my truck.
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