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09-21-2019 09:22 AM
PalmettoTree
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Originally Posted by PurpleKitty View Post
I was talking to Bunnies, PT.

If race isn't an issue than there is no reason to have all the kids... unless you are worried about the Mexicans. Black families actually have pretty good birth rates. Kids are WORK and not something I'm signing up for.

You're going to do what you're going to do, but make sure you talk to a lawyer. What if it doesn't work out and she won't leave? What do you do then? = lawyer could save you a lot of trouble up front.
I agree with the PurpleKitty.
09-21-2019 09:00 AM
PurpleKitty I was talking to Bunnies, PT.

If race isn't an issue than there is no reason to have all the kids... unless you are worried about the Mexicans. Black families actually have pretty good birth rates. Kids are WORK and not something I'm signing up for.

You're going to do what you're going to do, but make sure you talk to a lawyer. What if it doesn't work out and she won't leave? What do you do then? = lawyer could save you a lot of trouble up front.
09-20-2019 09:44 PM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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Originally Posted by PurpleKitty View Post
You are jumping all over the place.


There are plenty of humans on the earth.

If you want to preserve the white race (which I am reading between the lines here) you must instruct the young white girls to have several children each, with a white man. Tell the young white boys they can only marry a white girl and must have several children. Sounds like the duggars.

I am really vastly amused you are using the

However if they are anything like me I was told I could only marry a white man. I went in a different direction.
Both my partners are black. And I don’t believe there is such a thing as a “ white race “. But I have to point out the error here.

There are simply more women , white or otherwise , than there are marriageable men. Also a family of 1 man and 3 women with 2 kids each costs less resources to provide for than 3 families each with a man , a woman and 2 children. In western societies there are lots of men who have the resources to provide for multiple wives/children.

This means that polygyny is the most efficient way to grow the overall population and especially the population of smaller groups ( whites , Mormons , Madonna fans , etc ). This is simple math and is true regardless of your moral view on polygyny.

I know you had a hard time in a similar situation and I’m sorry. Just remember monogamous relationships fail most of the time also.
09-20-2019 09:34 PM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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Actually no.

First off in the USA most divorces are “ no fault “ regardless of why the person files.

Secondly even if sued for divorce on the grounds of infidelity , the other partner having acquiesced to the outside relationship would moot that claim. So for example if your spouse has another partner and you can be shown to have agreed to that , you cannot sue on those grounds.

Third most polygamous marriages have a standard of what faithful means. My wife is totally fine with our GF. She doesn’t care what we do together she knows most of the details and regularly discusses my intimacy with our other partner with that other partner as well as myself. We display affection in front of her just as her and myself do in front of the woman we are courting. BUT if I was to have some “ secret side chick “ or some affair that wasn’t part of a real moral courtship with a plan to lead to marriage , she’d leave me in a heart beat or at the very least go ape **** and stay with her sister for a few months.

Lastly the courts have nothing to do with biblical principles. In fact they are prohibited from ruling on religion. State sanctioned marriage is a contract between two people and the state. Private marriage is between the people ( 2 or more ) and god.
Twist it any way you want brother.....I'm done.
It’s not twisting. i am staying facts. there are more women in our country right now than men.
09-20-2019 08:40 PM
PalmettoTree
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Originally Posted by PurpleKitty View Post
You are jumping all over the place.

Somehow I can't see you being OK with another man inseminating your wife. Watching her grow, knowing it is not your baby.

They did an episode of Criminal minds on this.

There are plenty of humans on the earth.

If you want to preserve the white race (which I am reading between the lines here) you must instruct the young white girls to have several children each, with a white man. Tell the young white boys they can only marry a white girl and must have several children. Sounds like the duggars.

I am really vastly amused you are using the word "moral" to describe your behavior. My husband, at one point, lived with two women and found they were constantly uniting against him. He found it exasperating. He would have an argument with one and the other would give him the silent treatment as well. You may find that to be your problem as well. Twice the trouble, not half.

But you will find out for yourself. Make sure you talk to a lawyer about all this before she moves in.

However if they are anything like me I was told I could only marry a white man. I went in a different direction.
Who are you talking to?
09-20-2019 08:32 PM
PurpleKitty You are jumping all over the place.

Somehow I can't see you being OK with another man inseminating your wife. Watching her grow, knowing it is not your baby.

They did an episode of Criminal minds on this.

There are plenty of humans on the earth.

If you want to preserve the white race (which I am reading between the lines here) you must instruct the young white girls to have several children each, with a white man. Tell the young white boys they can only marry a white girl and must have several children. Sounds like the duggars.

I am really vastly amused you are using the word "moral" to describe your behavior. My husband, at one point, lived with two women and found they were constantly uniting against him. He found it exasperating. He would have an argument with one and the other would give him the silent treatment as well. You may find that to be your problem as well. Twice the trouble, not half.

But you will find out for yourself. Make sure you talk to a lawyer about all this before she moves in.

However if they are anything like me I was told I could only marry a white man. I went in a different direction.
09-20-2019 07:59 PM
PalmettoTree Here is what I do not understand. If you believe it is ok the have more than one wife why ask or start the thread. Just do it. If you have to ask you know it is wrong but want someone to tell you it is ok to do what you want to do.

No doubt it is the male nature, this one anyway, to lust after more than one woman. That does not make giving in to those feelings moral or even without bad consequences.
09-20-2019 05:17 PM
JL1
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Originally Posted by Cuteandfuzzybunnies View Post
Actually no.

First off in the USA most divorces are “ no fault “ regardless of why the person files.

Secondly even if sued for divorce on the grounds of infidelity , the other partner having acquiesced to the outside relationship would moot that claim. So for example if your spouse has another partner and you can be shown to have agreed to that , you cannot sue on those grounds.

Third most polygamous marriages have a standard of what faithful means. My wife is totally fine with our GF. She doesn’t care what we do together she knows most of the details and regularly discusses my intimacy with our other partner with that other partner as well as myself. We display affection in front of her just as her and myself do in front of the woman we are courting. BUT if I was to have some “ secret side chick “ or some affair that wasn’t part of a real moral courtship with a plan to lead to marriage , she’d leave me in a heart beat or at the very least go ape **** and stay with her sister for a few months.

Lastly the courts have nothing to do with biblical principles. In fact they are prohibited from ruling on religion. State sanctioned marriage is a contract between two people and the state. Private marriage is between the people ( 2 or more ) and god.
Twist it any way you want brother.....I'm done.
09-20-2019 05:03 PM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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How do you explain the many instances of polygamy in the Bible?
the "many" instances of polygamy in the Bible are all in the Old Testament....a time in history when the equation of male plus female was at times a bit uneven. Thus, the Lord allowed for one man to become husband to more than one woman, in order to achieve the "increase" which the Lord commanded.

In subsequent years, the population has increased.....in the year 2019 as of this writing there are 7.7 BILLION humans....there is quite literally, NO NEED for polygamy any longer.

Any QUESTIONS?
First off their are currently more women than men. And when you marriageable women VS marriageable men that gap widens. Men are more likely to die in their 20s , be gay , be in prison , be homeless , be junkies , etc.

But it doesn’t matter if we “need” polygyny. Marriage and send are blessings form God. They are gifts that have nothing to do with “ need”.

Also God commanded all his creation to “ be fruitful and multiply “. So if we want to obey him , we should do the things that make this happen. And if we are believers we need to protect ourselves and our culture by making strong bigger families to make the next generation of believers larger.
09-20-2019 04:57 PM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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in the year 2019 as of this writing there are 7.7 BILLION humans....there is quite literally, NO NEED for polygamy any longer.
Agreed.

The point is polygamy comes about due to NEED, after a calamity has wiped out a major portion of men.
We need polygamy now. We need strong families to fight the statists and anti family left.

We need more freedom loving , religious and traditional people having MORE kids. The future of our way of life VS the globalists depends on it.

We need to average 3 or 4 kids per traditional female.
09-20-2019 04:55 PM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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Originally Posted by JL1 View Post
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Originally Posted by Cuteandfuzzybunnies View Post
Being “faithful “ to
Your wife doesn’t require sexual exclusivity. That wasn’t expected when that was written. Faithful meant not ditching her when you took your second wife.

I’m faithful to my wife. And if we are blessed with marrying our gf I will be faithful to her also.
Holy biblical manipulations Batman[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.survivalistboards.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]. Better tell our current judicial system your definition of faithful, they are currently doing divorce courts wrong.....
Actually no.

First off in the USA most divorces are “ no fault “ regardless of why the person files.

Secondly even if sued for divorce on the grounds of infidelity , the other partner having acquiesced to the outside relationship would moot that claim. So for example if your spouse has another partner and you can be shown to have agreed to that , you cannot sue on those grounds.

Third most polygamous marriages have a standard of what faithful means. My wife is totally fine with our GF. She doesn’t care what we do together she knows most of the details and regularly discusses my intimacy with our other partner with that other partner as well as myself. We display affection in front of her just as her and myself do in front of the woman we are courting. BUT if I was to have some “ secret side chick “ or some affair that wasn’t part of a real moral courtship with a plan to lead to marriage , she’d leave me in a heart beat or at the very least go ape **** and stay with her sister for a few months.

Lastly the courts have nothing to do with biblical principles. In fact they are prohibited from ruling on religion. State sanctioned marriage is a contract between two people and the state. Private marriage is between the people ( 2 or more ) and god.
09-20-2019 09:49 AM
cat_1978
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Originally Posted by PeterEnergy View Post
Agreed.

The point is polygamy comes about due to NEED, after a calamity has wiped out a major portion of men.
That is why some of the preppers prep ONLY with this thing in their mind (think tens of barrels of Viagra pills) and even, dare I say, HOPE that their preparations will be used to the last.

09-20-2019 09:27 AM
PeterEnergy
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Originally Posted by vivisky View Post
in the year 2019 as of this writing there are 7.7 BILLION humans....there is quite literally, NO NEED for polygamy any longer.
Agreed.

The point is polygamy comes about due to NEED, after a calamity has wiped out a major portion of men.
09-19-2019 10:54 PM
vivisky
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Originally Posted by PeterEnergy View Post
How do you explain the many instances of polygamy in the Bible?
the "many" instances of polygamy in the Bible are all in the Old Testament....a time in history when the equation of male plus female was at times a bit uneven. Thus, the Lord allowed for one man to become husband to more than one woman, in order to achieve the "increase" which the Lord commanded.

In subsequent years, the population has increased.....in the year 2019 as of this writing there are 7.7 BILLION humans....there is quite literally, NO NEED for polygamy any longer.

Any QUESTIONS?
09-19-2019 10:24 PM
vivisky
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Originally Posted by Idaho Survivalist View Post
Isn't the God of the Old Testament the same as the New? Or do Christians now consider them to be two different Gods? If they are different then does that mean that the Old Testament god is not spiritual?
This is a very interesting question. However, the OT is a more "historical" record of God's creation and how they all in various ways rejected Him, interspersed with God's admonitions to "please behave" and then God thinking, "hmmmm, I am going to have to come up with a different Plan to have My Creation really CONNECT with Me"
Then the New Testament comes along, with God coming down in the form of a human Infant, borne of a young woman ("virgin") and raised to become a Teacher.
At only 33 years this humble Teacher confounds the Pharisees, overturns the moneychanger's tables, and raises the dead, among other miracles.
The powers that be at the time crucify Him because he is a threat to the powerful Romans (and Jewish leadership...who are stuck in OT laws).
He suffers yet rises from the dead...and appears FIRST to the women.
He is just some ordinary man....or maybe he is just what everyone NEEDS. A God in human flesh, able to CONNECT us to the Divine in a way that no other God or Goddess can do, no need for incense, incantations, or really any complicated laws....just agree with God that you have fallen short of the Divine, ask God/Jesus to come into your heart, and walk in His lifestyle, follow the Ten Commandments but when in question, the Greatest Commandemnt, Love one another as I have loved you.
Jesus did not endorse polygamy---he endorsed both chastity and monogamy.
That said, there could be instances where polygamy could be necessary for the continuation of the human race....BUT seriously, with 9 billion humans on the face of the Earth----LOL----LOL---- there is not going to be ANY need for polygamy for a VERY long time!
Anyone who believes that there needs to be one man with 14 wives....is quite literally a man living in lust with his brain in his CROTCH.
09-19-2019 10:06 PM
vivisky
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Originally Posted by bill tyler View Post
It was not ever Gods will for Abraham to get Hagar pregnant. That happened because he didn’t stand up to Sarah and tell her to wait on the promise, which was to be Isaac.

That’s why we have the conflict we have today, Jews and Christians understand Isaac to be the child of promise and Ishmael to be after the flesh.
…"he didn't stand up to Sarah and tell her to wait on the promise".....and THIS is so very true----men need to stand up & communicate with their wife, share that they are frustrated too, but become one in volition about their joint desire to please God. Abraham did not need to go out and have sex with Hagar. Just imagine how wonderful things would have been if Abraham had just behaved.
09-19-2019 08:08 PM
FoxtrotVictor1
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Originally Posted by RobinD69 View Post
Ok I have been in several discussions over the years concerning more than one wife. I have warned against this as pointed out in scripture, but as always people like to twist scripture to fit what they want. Now I am not concerned about legal status but I am concerned about it Biblically.
Scripture is often twisted as much as the meaning of of certain Amendments to the Constitution, based on the view of those who wish to read into words a meaning that is not of their choosing.

Every Saturday morning I have breakfast with a group of gentlemen, and four of us are ministers, and one with a DoD. We got into a rather contentious debate, (albeit civil), over the merits of polygamy as well as the differences between laws of man, an laws of God. When one looks at something like polygamy v. monogamy, (and dare I bring up bigamy), there is always an underlying justified reason for the thought, or putting it into action.

When you get down to it, the laws of man are not in keeping so much with the books of the Bible, but by the comfort zone of its citizens. Perhaps that's why those in polygamous relationships are comfortable, yet as fearful as the witches of Salem to be outted. And I think as you read various Bibles, and other holy books, you'll find that the custom of polygamy often flutters on both sides of the fence, depending on beliefs of groups supporting THAT religion.

If you study various subjects under the law of man, and then compare them to Holy books, you often find it confusing. That's the problem with beliefs. People are comfortable with their own, yet profoundly shocked at others.
09-19-2019 04:04 PM
bill tyler There’s no need in going any further, adios
09-19-2019 04:00 PM
cat_1978
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Originally Posted by Idaho Survivalist View Post
Brigham Young, second prophet/President of the Mormon Church said so as did the second one, John Taylor.
Those people are nuts. Look for them in Hell.
09-19-2019 03:25 PM
Idaho Survivalist
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Originally Posted by bill tyler View Post
I don’t see any in the book of Acts or the epistles.

The Old Testament and the New Testament are two different dispensations of grace. What was physical in the Old is spiritual in the New.

If you are going to try and live under Old Testament law you are nullifying the blood of Jesus, when he died and the vail was rent he was made the propitiation for our sin.

The scripture states make no prevision for sin to fulfill the lust thereof.

Polygamy is nothing more or less than adultery.

Isn't the God of the Old Testament the same as the New? Or do Christians now consider them to be two different Gods? If they are different then does that mean that the Old Testament god is not spiritual?
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