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09-29-2013 12:58 AM
*Paladin* I've got two dogs that are members of the family and are our early warning system: an English Mastiff (AKC pure bred) and an English Mastiff/Lab mix. Both are very friendly with invited guests, but are on guard and a bit aloof with strangers. Both would die for my wife or me. Very loyal dogs. Of the two, by the way, the better behaved and tempered is the mix. Their names are Tank and Caesar.
09-27-2013 08:52 PM
PrimitiveHunter I am new to survivalistboards, but have spent a lot of time out in the woods. Everyone has a favorite breed when it comes to dogs. My dog is a Black Lab/Rottweiler mix. She looks like an all black Rottweiler with a tail but much slimmer. She is still a very strong and sturdy build. She is lightning fast. I have taken her out the start of squirrel season and she took right to it. Also worked with her on retrieving which came pretty natural to her. In a shtf scenario I have 3 young children and a wife. Any extra mouth to feed for me has to pull its own weight for food. She has proven she can. With the Rottweiler in her she is 1000% more stand offish with strangers. She will bark when we are settled in camping or in the yard or home. In the field it is low growls. More than anything though she is my hunting buddy. As long as she can point, flush, track and retrieve. I will shoot what pops up bad guys included. Her being a mix though hard to say what another would be like. My kids picked this one out at 6 weeks old. I have always been a Mountain Cur guy before now. I think if you put the time in with any breed they will respond to positive instruction.
09-18-2013 12:15 PM
n1oc
hey guys,

anybody, know the joke about ugly little stumpy yellow thing they called dog out back behind a bar that would take all challengers? be safe.
09-18-2013 02:33 AM
steffen801 My new males pedigree http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=406159



My females pedigree http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...&dog_id=392595


5 generations strong number 6 coming soon
09-18-2013 12:42 AM
Pheonixzero
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Originally Posted by OldBlackWater View Post
Speaking of which, although it is pretty clear that I am fond of Rott's I would think Dogo's would make a great SHTF dog.

They have been bred to be great hunters, they are a protective breed and they are bred to be great with children and their family unit.

I'd say those are some pretty great characteristics?

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Nothing wrong with a mutt
09-18-2013 12:19 AM
OldBlackWater
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Originally Posted by IamZeke View Post
In the case of the AKC they are trying to promote the popularity of certain hybrid strains that they have recognized and tend to reproduce reasonably true in successive generations, but as will all breeds you get a percentage of recessive rejects.

Yet hybrids they remain because science isn't semantics.

But I do agree it is time to quit covering this repeatedly and get back to talking about the breeds people like to suggest for survival.
Speaking of which, although it is pretty clear that I am fond of Rott's I would think Dogo's would make a great SHTF dog.

They have been bred to be great hunters, they are a protective breed and they are bred to be great with children and their family unit.

I'd say those are some pretty great characteristics?

.
09-18-2013 12:08 AM
IamZeke
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Originally Posted by CheckTheWeather View Post
Purely semantics, as the AKC calls them Purebreeds, not hybrids... LOL

OK! Back to general concepts of dogs!
In the case of the AKC they are trying to promote the popularity of certain hybrid strains that they have recognized and tend to reproduce reasonably true in successive generations, but as will all breeds you get a percentage of recessive rejects.

Yet hybrids they remain because science isn't semantics.

But I do agree it is time to quit covering this repeatedly and get back to talking about the breeds people like to suggest for survival.
09-17-2013 11:39 PM
CheckTheWeather
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Originally Posted by IamZeke View Post
Still trying to differentiate a mutt and a hybrid to your way of thinking?

We'll try this again one last time. Mutts? They are dogs that crossbred themselves, doing what dogs like to do. Hybrids, which are absolutely every breed recognized in the world, are purpose crossed by people. If you have a domestic dog in your house it is either a mutt or a hybrid. A mutt is a derisive term used for unplanned crosses. If it was done with a plan to get a certain type of characteristics then it is a hybrid.

The only pure breeds are wild species like wolves, jackals, dingos, and coyotes.

Since all I did above is restate what I said before then the next time you come here and try arguing your point with ad hominen then I'll make sure you get some time all by yourself away from these boards.
Purely semantics, as the AKC calls them Purebreeds, not hybrids... LOL

OK! Back to general concepts of dogs!
09-17-2013 11:36 PM
OldBlackWater
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Originally Posted by Pheonixzero View Post
Want me to dress the foot that you've shot yourself in, or would you rather pull it out of your mouth first?
Actually he is quite correct, pure bred dogs are merely dogs that have been selectively bred for particular genetic characteristics.

The best example we have is the Dogo Argentino because the selective breeding process was so recent that the Argentine Brothers who developed the breed still have records of all the other breeds that were mixed to get just the right genetic traits they desired.

YouTube or Netflix it sometime, it is actually quite fascinating to see the genetic selection process at work.

It is why I personally prefer pure breds, you know the genetic traits of the breed, you don't have to guess.

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09-17-2013 08:04 PM
IamZeke
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Originally Posted by Pheonixzero View Post
Want me to dress the foot that you've shot yourself in, or would you rather pull it out of your mouth first?

Still trying to differentiate a mutt and a hybrid to your way of thinking?

We'll try this again one last time. Mutts? They are dogs that crossbred themselves, doing what dogs like to do. Hybrids, which are absolutely every breed recognized in the world, are purpose crossed by people. If you have a domestic dog in your house it is either a mutt or a hybrid. A mutt is a derisive term used for unplanned crosses. If it was done with a plan to get a certain type of characteristics then it is a hybrid.

The only pure breeds are wild species like wolves, jackals, dingos, and coyotes.

Since all I did above is restate what I said before then the next time you come here and try arguing your point with ad hominen then I'll make sure you get some time all by yourself away from these boards.
09-17-2013 07:03 PM
Pheonixzero
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Originally Posted by IamZeke View Post
Fine logic there. Especially considering that it has an actual recognized name and is a purpose made hybrid, just like every other domestic breed in existence. The only purebreed dogs are wild animals.

You can type under your fingers bleed too and not face the fact that you don't like to be proven wrong.
Want me to dress the foot that you've shot yourself in, or would you rather pull it out of your mouth first?
09-13-2013 01:47 AM
Loulabelle I am going to be incredibly rude and skip to the end because I'm fairly new here and just saw this thread. Someone has already probably mentioned this; if so, I apologize.

Dimitri Orlov, who survived the collapse of the USSR, says anyone with a dog was ahead of anyone without one, just for the warning factor. And it didn't matter the size. Little yappy dogs were as good as big dogs.

And anyone who had a breeding female.....had a gold mine.
09-13-2013 01:35 AM
OldBlackWater I was surprised to learn that there were dogs that don't shed.
The first one was our Schnauzer we got for the kids and then my wifes Yorkie, I later found out that neither do Poodles and a few other breeds.
Great for families who have kids with alergies, asthma or sensitive sinuses.

.
09-12-2013 11:20 PM
agno3
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Originally Posted by CheckTheWeather View Post
Molting. Shedding is the correct word I think. LOL
Fur type... spinable. I *THINK* poodles are the only ones with spinable hair, because it is... hair, not fur, and it is curly enough to intertwine?
You can use fur from any dog with a decent hair length, like Malamutes and Collies. Kinda itchy though.
09-12-2013 10:29 AM
Pheonixzero
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Originally Posted by Purdy Bear View Post
Not crosses but two individual dogs. LOL! I have had a GSD x Corgi and he was bonkers but a brilliant guard dog. He looked like a GSD with short legs and thus got the nick name of a pit pony/miniature GSD.
This is going to sound perverted, but I would have loved to have witnessed the conception
09-12-2013 03:08 AM
Purdy Bear
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Originally Posted by n1oc View Post
do you mean cross those two? the jack russel terroist and a shepard. BM(s) belgian malinois are a handful. (shepard size jack russel.) that cross breed would be scary. be afraid. be very afraid. be safe.
Not crosses but two individual dogs. LOL! I have had a GSD x Corgi and he was bonkers but a brilliant guard dog. He looked like a GSD with short legs and thus got the nick name of a pit pony/miniature GSD.



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Molting. Shedding is the correct word I think. LOL
Fur type... spinable. I *THINK* poodles are the only ones with spinable hair, because it is... hair, not fur, and it is curly enough to intertwine?
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It can be molting or shedding but your right it is mostly the later.

Any fur longer then 2 inches can be spun, the under coat is better as it is less coarse. Spinners often combine dog fur with wool to make a thread if it is on the shortish side. Not all dogs have undercoats, some do have hair and not fur such as the Yorkshire Terrier, Shih tzu, Poodles.
09-12-2013 02:50 AM
prepgal
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Originally Posted by Purdy Bear View Post
Personally I think one should think about what you specifically need in a dog and I don't just mean guarding. Do you need a dog to:

1. Be good with children
2. Be good with other pets, including small furries.
3. Be good at warning barks
4. Trainability
5. Portability
6. Cost of veterinary bills
7. Specific behavioural traits (ie hunting, vermin control, agility, Schutzund Training)
8. Molting
9. Fur type, double coated, single coated, spinable fur
10. Food intake
11. Genetic problems such as cdrm, hip displasia, heart problems, fits, eyes etc.
12. Longevity - the bigger the dog usually means a shorter life span and vis versa

Purebreeds are more reliable and predictable for behaviour if the line is good but mongrels are more hardy.
Most importantly, I want a smart dog that listens to me and is trainable, second is an early-warning-system and/or burglar deterrent and is also a good companion.

Some of the dumbest dogs are purebreds, but some of the smartest ones are too. I had a Schipperke that was an excellent watchdog (would bark low like a big dog when someone came to the door), wonderful companion, compact and portable, great qualities except he would blow his coat once a year which if you're not into dogs that shed a LOT, would be a deal breaker.

My dog now doesn't shed, is watchful and loyal, loves to play, barks when strangers come around, but I am pretty sure that he is too timid to actually protect me if something was going down. But he adores his family, is great with my son, and sleeps each night on my doorstep so he can be near us.

You take the good with the bad. I wouldn't trade him for the world.
09-12-2013 02:06 AM
n1oc
some how i picture labradoodle.

the ones i have been around seem to have those traits. i would have not thought of it, if it weren't for the previous post. be safe
09-12-2013 01:55 AM
CheckTheWeather
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Originally Posted by Purdy Bear View Post
8. Molting
9. Fur type, double coated, single coated, spinable fur
.
Molting. Shedding is the correct word I think. LOL
Fur type... spinable. I *THINK* poodles are the only ones with spinable hair, because it is... hair, not fur, and it is curly enough to intertwine?
09-11-2013 04:33 PM
n1oc
oh my gawd!!!

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Originally Posted by Purdy Bear View Post
Just a few comments:

A Lurcher is a mix of any breed with a sight hound. I've had a labrador x whippet and he was an awesome dog.

My perfect after SHTF dogs would be a German Shepherd teamed up with a terrier like a Jack Russell or Cairn. I have a Cairn X at the moment and his a pretty good guard dog.


One problem that I have come across and not sure how to get around is the dog not warning when someone he knows has a front door key brings in strangers. In doggy minds if they enter with a key then they are safe going. If anyone knows how to overcome this I would appreciate passing on the knowledge to me! At the moment I've got round this by changing the locks, thus he gives a warning bark when the door bell rings.

Personally I think one should think about what you specifically need in a dog and I don't just mean guarding. Do you need a dog to:

1. Be good with children
2. Be good with other pets, including small furries.
3. Be good at warning barks
4. Trainability
5. Portability
6. Cost of veterinary bills
7. Specific behavioural traits (ie hunting, vermin control, agility, Schutzund Training)
8. Molting
9. Fur type, double coated, single coated, spinable fur
10. Food intake
11. Genetic problems such as cdrm, hip displasia, heart problems, fits, eyes etc.
12. Longevity - the bigger the dog usually means a shorter life span and vis versa

Purebreeds are more reliable and predictable for behaviour if the line is good but mongrels are more hardy.
do you mean cross those two? the jack russel terroist and a shepard. BM(s) belgian malinois are a handful. (shepard size jack russel.) that cross breed would be scary. be afraid. be very afraid. be safe.
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