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07-26-2017 10:37 PM
7.5x55 Swiss Nice post. 7.5x55 Swiss is still plenty available in commercial and surplus ammo. Most of the surplus ammunition left over is from the 60s, 70s, and 80s produced by RUAG in Switzerland. A lot of the surplus is berdan primed, so if you're not stocked up on berdan primers you won't be able to hand load with the cases but some of the later batches were boxer primed brass.

No corrosive primers on the GP11 ammo to the best of my knowledge, but the GP90 ammo used in the earlier Swiss rifles chambered in 7.5x53mm was corrosive (and is pretty much vaporware at this point).
01-10-2017 11:16 AM
Al Diehl
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Originally Posted by survivorperson View Post
I thought surplus .30 carbine was non-corrosive, can someone clarify?
All US made .30 Carbine is non-corrosive. That said, a lot of countries received M1s and M1 carbines after WWII and Korea through lend lease and purchase. Several of these countries manufactured their own ammo so,....Caveat emptor

Al
12-28-2016 04:42 AM
survivorperson I thought surplus .30 carbine was non-corrosive, can someone clarify?
12-15-2016 05:42 AM
Al Diehl
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Originally Posted by Barton67 View Post
I have a Spanish 1916 mauser in 308 I'm looking for an extractor can anyone help.
Welcome to the Boards Barton.

Any extractor for any model 1893 or 1895 Mauser rifle, Short Rifle or, Carbine will work.
Here is a link to some. You want the one at the bottom of the list #5040: Used Mauser Extractors,
or, new: New Mauser 1893/95 Extractor

Al
12-14-2016 11:27 PM
Musibike
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Originally Posted by Barton67 View Post
I have a Spanish 1916 mauser in 308 I'm looking for an extractor can anyone help.
Try COLLECTORS FIREARMS in Houston, Texas.

www.collectorsfirearms.com

I think you can pull a list of various parts from the net on here.

Just plug in a detailed description of your gun and see what you get?

12-14-2016 06:34 PM
Barton67 I have a Spanish 1916 mauser in 308 I'm looking for an extractor can anyone help.
11-19-2016 12:27 PM
kraigwy I know this is an old tread but thought I might add a correction.

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The 30-40 Krag was the first small bore caliber offered with smokeless powder by Winchester in thier High-Wall single shot in 1893. I do not know if military ammo in the US was loaded with smokeless powders
The 45-70 trap door, as most know was black powder. However in the late 1800s the Army started developing a smokeless load for this rifle.

So it was our (US) first smokeless round. They stopped loading for it as we adopted the Krag 30-40 and started gearing up for the Spanish American war.

We had stock piles of the BP loads in the 45-70 for the Trapdoors that supplemented the Krag, so the smokelss powder load (as was the BP load, were dropped as we concentrated on the 30-40.

The 30 cal Government. was developed in 1903 for the Springfields, (30-03), it used the same 220 gr. RN bullet as the 30-40. As we noticed the success other countries were having with the lighter bullets, we went to the 150 gr (147-149) bullets in 1906, hence, the 30-06.
11-30-2014 09:16 AM
AirForceVeteran The Three Line Rifle actually won WWII in Russian hands... wearing down the Nazis on the Eastern Front.

Funny thing, that the firearm was built on British lathes & mills, to Whitworth standards,for it's entire production history!
The Soviet Union adopted Metrics, in the 1930 revision M91/30 Series.But, the major change was the
switch from Arshins (28" unit, the pace of a typical 5 foot tall Russian conscript peasant soldier), to the meter, causing new rear sights measured in up to 2000 meters, to be fitted.

My 1901 M91 sights range out to 3200 Arshins.
11-30-2014 08:58 AM
AirForceVeteran Left out the Argentine Mauser, caliber 7.65x53mm (that was first made as the 1891 Argentine, and re-worked as the 1909 Argentine Mauser) but, can be found also as the Belgium Mauser, possibly others.

The Three Line Rifle, aka Mosin Nagant M91, and subsequent models like the revision of 1930
(MN91/30), were made from 1891 through 1986, exceeded 100 million, only to be topped in January 2014 by the AK47 family.

Some of us slug the barrels to determine actual bore diameter, and purchase bullets in .310, .311, & .312. diameter.
05-25-2014 07:48 PM
horseradish We all forgot about the 8mm Lebel! World's first smokeless military round IIRC. My brother-in-law has an old bertier rifle, which for those unfamiliar, is a french rifle that makes a Moison-nagant look state-of-the-art. He lucked out and it turned out that after about 30 years of ammo being unavailable stateside, Prvi is now importing the stuff. The Lebel round is about the goofiest looking thing you've ever seen, tapers so much it almost looks like a funnel. Seems to hit plenty hard though. French used it through two world wars and likely a bit beyond.

As long as we're discussing french rounds, may as well throw the 7.5 MAS in there too.
09-29-2013 01:58 AM
oldiron_79
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Originally Posted by THE FROG View Post
Regarding the 6.5x55 Swede... Factory ammunition is readily available from all the major ammo manufactures. There are fine new rifles chambered in this caliber from TIKKA and CZ to name a couple.
There are modern civie bolt guns made in 7.62x54r for that matter. Sako for sure and maybe Tikka.
08-26-2013 10:09 AM
Pat84 How about the 7.5 Swiss Schmidt-Rubin straight pull bolt? it had a long saw tooth bayonette
03-14-2013 09:34 AM
CAPTAMERICA77 45/70, CHAMBERED IN QUITE A FEW RIFLES TODAY!!! From the Ruger#1 to the NEF Handi-Rifle. Older trap doors should use the lower powered ammo due to the weaker actions, but the Revolution by Hornady puts out quite a hammer round. You can hunt all Big Game in North America and even some Dangerous African game with that round. Is almost a match with the .300 Winchester Magnum as far as energy at 100yards. Shots longer than 200 yards suffer with the huge slow moving round. 45-70-500 was >45 caliber, 70 grains of black powder loaded with a 500 grain bullet. Most smokeless powders loads are 300 grain to 500 grain bullets now. Would be a good choice if you need to stop a TANK!!!! Do not discount this older round. It could be used very well if the SHTF.
02-07-2013 10:48 PM
horseradish 30-40 Krag was originally a smokeless round. .303 Brit however, did originally come out as a black powder cartridge, although it went to smokeless after a couple years or so. For some reason, I keep thinking the 7.62x54 Russian has a similar story, although I can't remember for sure.

I like the Moison Nagants. They are reliable, accurate enough, pack a decent wallop, and are as simple as can be. I always thought they were a bit awkward to operate when compared to their contemporaries such as the Enfields, Springfields, and Mausers though.

I'd add the 45/70 to the list. Even though it was obsolete, it was still in use during the Spanish-American War and even soldiered on into ww1 for training purposes stateside.
01-26-2013 09:15 AM
Dixie_Dude SKS's are now in the price range of the Ruger Mini-14-30. The Ruger might be a good solution also, but getting 20-30 round mags is going to be a problem now.

People are using CNC machines to make their own AR receivers now too. You can buy a receiver blank and "rent" a CNC machine to make your own. The 1968 gun control law says a person can make their own gun for their own use, but can never sell it.
01-26-2013 08:25 AM
Watch Ryder
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Originally Posted by ProxyAccount View Post
The OP almost entirely ignores Civil War and Frontier cartridges, such as the .44 Henry, .44-40 Winchester, .45 Colt, .45-70 Government, .45-90, etc.
Not forgetting the .405 winchester also.
01-26-2013 07:49 AM
teenahlake you are confusing the 276 pedersen, with the 276 enfield. The Enfield was roughly 7mm Mag in power and was to be used in the Pattern3/P14. The 276 Pedersen originally envisioned for the Garand was supposed to be a lower powered ie.140grains/2400fps or thereabouts, it was physically smaller, and would have had a 10 rd magazine/clip arrangement. The change to the 30-06 also necessitated a reduction in bullet weight back to 150grs ala .30 ball M2, negating the cost savings envisioned by Macarthur, and actually costing more during WW2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.276_Pedersen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.276_Enfield
12-07-2012 09:41 PM
Joe751
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Originally Posted by ToddWillSurvive View Post
I use a M1891/30 Mosin-Nagant, chambered in the 7.62x54r ammo. It is a very inexpensive rifle ($90) that fires very inexpensive ammo ($0.30/ea). It comes apart without tools (bayonet can be used as screwdriver, 3 screws total). I think its an excelent gun.

You may have forgoten, one bullet, the 7.62x39. Though it hardly constitutes a rifle bullet, it was used in the sks, which can be a semi-automatic solution to your budget defense needs. (i am considering one myself, seem to go for $200-$250). Ammo is cheaper than dirt.
I have the M1891/30 also have the SKS.Both are fine guns.I can find nothing wrong with them.
12-07-2012 09:35 PM
Joe751
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Originally Posted by bebop1034 View Post
i have a mosin nagant old russian rifle i love it with all my heart my first rifle
I have the same rifle and I thank it is one of my best.
03-07-2012 01:57 PM
Al Diehl
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Originally Posted by Kenno View Post

7.9X57 Mauser (1905): Also known as the 8mm Mauser this is a great sporting cartridge on the same level as the 30-06. Old Model 1888 8mm Mausers have a smaller bore diameter (.312) compared to the 'new' M-1898
8mm Mausers (.323) do not fire the larger bullets through the M-1888s! The basic military loading is a 154 grn bullet @ 2880MV & 2835ME. Recoil is the same as a 30-06. This caliber will handle any game a 30-06 will with the proper load. Surplus rifles and ammo are still available, quality varies greatly.
Thanks for your work Kenno. I would like to add the following.

The Original 1888's were actually not Mausers at all but, a rifle designed by a military commission. Hence the "Commission Rifle 1888" moniker.

Also, the original diameter of the bullet was .318 ("J" bore) not .312. Some were modified to shoot "S" ammunition (.323 diameter) by lengthening the throat of the chamber to allow the larger projectile to "draw" down to the diameter of the bore gradually. This was a stop gap measure until the Model 1898 Mausers were completely fielded although, many soldiered on in WWI in the hands of reserve units and the Turkish army. 1888 rifles re-barreled by the Turkish military should have the .323 bore.

Al
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