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02-08-2020 10:36 PM
ForgedInTheFlame [emoji41]

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12-21-2019 12:35 PM
jetgraphics
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Originally Posted by laralynx View Post
In Virginia, for the next 2 years we have activism, the sanctuary movement, VCDL, the recall effort (Saslaw), the courts, and then another vote to solve this problem. If/when all of that fails, blood will flow. As several - crackshot and Lagnar and caseyboy have put it, some of us are at a point where we are ok with going out and taking them with us to preserve the rights of our heirs, although I don't plan to go out, I plan to prevail.
As I suspected, the law as written, does not apply to free Americans.
https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/leg...1+ful+SB16+pdf
"It is unlawful for any person..."
: : : : : : : : : : : : : :
"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979)
(quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

“a sovereign is not a person in a legal sense” In re Fox, 52 N. Y. 535, 11 Am. Rep. 751; U.S. v. Fox, 94 U.S. 315, 24 L. Ed. 192
- - - -
Who are the sovereigns if NOT the government?
The supreme Court says American people are the sovereigns.
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the [sovereign] people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

Under America's republican form of government, the people have Creator endowed rights that the governments were instituted to secure - not tax, infringe nor trespass - unless by consent of the governed. Since consent is needed, no American government is sovereign over the people. Of course, once consent is given, all bets are off, as they say. Shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

[beating a dead horse flag on] Stop fomenting a civil war and start reading your own laws, people. Do not believe me - read the law for yourself. Politely ask your servants to explain themselves.


Coincidentally, when government wishes a law to be applicable to everyone, it uses the phrase, "Whoever ...". When the law is not applicable to everyone, it uses the phrase, "Any person who ....".

To illustrate:
Title 18 USC § 111. Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain
officers or employees
(a) In General.-- Whoever--
(1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties;
Contrast with:
Title 18 USC § 228. Failure to pay legal child support obligations
(a) Offense.-- Any person who--
(1) willfully fails to pay a support obligation with respect to a child who resides in another State, if such obligation has remained unpaid for a period longer than 1 year, or is greater than $5,000...
12-21-2019 11:37 AM
Lagnar It seems the "white supremacist" signs flashed by some West Point cadets were not that at all.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/201...football-game/

Quote:
The U.S. Military Academy announced Friday that an internal investigation concluded that hand gestures flashed by West Point cadets and Naval Academy midshipmen during Saturday’s Army-Navy football game were associated with the “circle game,” not white supremacy.
Over on the Dark Side:

https://www.survivalistboards.com/sh...6#post19931476
12-20-2019 07:09 AM
laralynx In Virginia, for the next 2 years we have activism, the sanctuary movement, VCDL, the recall effort (Saslaw), the courts, and then another vote to solve this problem. If/when all of that fails, blood will flow. As several - crackshot and Lagnar and caseyboy have put it, some of us are at a point where we are ok with going out and taking them with us to preserve the rights of our heirs, although I don't plan to go out, I plan to prevail.
12-20-2019 05:30 AM
Caseyboy Crackshot, I'm with you brother. When I came back from my war in one piece I figured I was living on borrowed time anyway. We all die, that is a fact. However, I'd rather die on my feet opposing tyrants and traitors than to die on my knees begging for some sort of handout that is being paid by others. I was born free and by the will of the Almighty, I'll die free. We live a mere speck in the realm of time. Between, (usually) 50-90 years. If we trade our nation and the freedoms it provides for some small tidbit we are allowed to have by the tyrants, we have essentially traded our souls, our nation and our children's legacy for a fleeting place at the public feeding trough. The left has no idea what they're doing when they poke a stick at the giants we call American Patriots. They're going to find out because if you look at what they're doing to all of us right now, it puts it into the perspective of what they intend to do to us once they can disarm us. "WOLVERINE". Millions of us are going to fight back. It's just going to take that spark to light the fuse. Once they start like the beginnings in Virginia, we will have no other options left and they will be hanging from trees all over America. Believe it!

Caseyboy
12-19-2019 05:27 PM
Lagnar
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Originally Posted by Crackshot View Post
I cant speak for the others, but I have come to the realization that the older I get the closer to death I am anyway. So, If someone were to try and take my guns I cant think of a better way to go than to attempt to take as many of those cocksuckers as I can take with me.
Yup!

Fewer dirtbags to leave our children and grandchildren to deal with. That's a legacy to be proud of!
12-19-2019 04:12 PM
Crackshot
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Originally Posted by The Crazy Next Door View Post
Was that the one where the 3%ers, militia and biker people all promised that if any bullets went flying there would be war? You know the one where the FBI shot the man in cold blood and all the macho wannabe ****ed their pants so bad even their mamas wouldn't get near them.

Were they all linked or separate. In any case the so called patriots that everyone expects to step up will no doubt be the first to hand over their weapons.
I cant speak for the others, but I have come to the realization that the older I get the closer to death I am anyway. So, If someone were to try and take my guns I cant think of a better way to go than to attempt to take as many of those cocksuckers as I can take with me.

On the contrary most godless youngsters truly fear death, as they see themselves as having a long life ahead of them and with no afterlife to look forward to.

So, you might want to check your headgear friend before you go off lighting fires you wont be able to put out.
12-19-2019 02:30 PM
Ghost863
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Originally Posted by Lagnar View Post
The stupid it burns. ^^^

No, it was this one.







Guess who backed down. All charges against the Bundys were dismissed.
excellent post my friend. but if the truth be told about what crazy said. the FBI did kill one guy but it was while they were on their way to talk out negotiations, they pulled them over and he refused to throw his weapon out of the car and they shot and killed him. But crazy did try to misconstrue the truth in order to fit his/her narrative that we are all a bunch of cowards.
12-19-2019 12:59 PM
Lagnar
12-19-2019 12:55 PM
Lagnar
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Originally Posted by The Crazy Next Door View Post
Was that the one where the 3%ers, militia and biker people all promised that if any bullets went flying there would be war? You know the one where the FBI shot the man in cold blood and all the macho wannabe ****ed their pants so bad even their mamas wouldn't get near them.

Were they all linked or separate. In any case the so called patriots that everyone expects to step up will no doubt be the first to hand over their weapons.
The stupid it burns. ^^^

No, it was this one.







Guess who backed down. All charges against the Bundys were dismissed.
12-19-2019 12:04 PM
Ghost863
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Originally Posted by The Crazy Next Door View Post
Was that the one where the 3%ers, militia and biker people all promised that if any bullets went flying there would be war? You know the one where the FBI shot the man in cold blood and all the macho wannabe ****ed their pants so bad even their mamas wouldn't get near them.

Were they all linked or separate. In any case the so called patriots that everyone expects to step up will no doubt be the first to hand over their weapons.
You will probably turn yours in like a coward, but I am very sure that there are many on here that would not. You see many of what you call "so called patriots", don't give a rat's ass about the government and will never comply. They will always resist unconstitutional laws and disobey them because they know where those laws lead. Have any doubts look at what is happening in Va right now. and for another thing, You can thank all of those "so called patriots" because most of them served in one or another branch of the armed forces to ensure that this country remained free. We got the training and would use it if it ever became necessary.
12-19-2019 09:44 AM
htfiremedic @caseyboy I have read your Trilogy. That was great! Just wanted to say thanks, and MOAR would be appreciated by many!


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12-19-2019 09:03 AM
Caseyboy The Crazy Next Door,
Obviously you have forgotten what happened in Oregon. There are others as well. Check this out and be refreshed about the will and backbone of some Americans.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/phot...tia-government

Not everyone will stand down and wet their pants. It's just going to take something a lot bigger than what happened in these incidents and it's going to be so big, the average man will come to the aid of his fellow American because we will have arrived at the point of no return. We have yet to reach that point but it's coming, you can count on it. I believe, and have for a lot of years, 2020 is that year when it will happen. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am. The left has gone over the edge. What happens when people allow an opposing faction to go on unchallenged and leaves them with a superiority complex.

Caseyboy
12-19-2019 08:54 AM
Caseyboy Risking repeating myself, POTUS should Nationalize all National Guard Units in every state opposing him, Declare Martial Law, then send in Federal cops and begin arresting every official that is in non-compliance to Federal Law. Lock them up in Gitmo, try them in a Military Tribunal away from lawyers and left-leaning courts. Clean up the rat's nest.

Caseyboy
12-19-2019 08:06 AM
Rural Buckeye Guy There should be protests in Va and Wa but SCOTUS needs to rule on this issue nationwide to shut this crap down.
12-19-2019 08:03 AM
Rural Buckeye Guy In 1972 there were 2500 bomb blasts in CONTUS. How many this year? How many last year?

More to the point, how many cell phones with social media and internet access were there in 1972?

Mystery solved! If it bleeds it leads, 2019 edition.....
12-19-2019 03:40 AM
The Crazy Next Door
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Originally Posted by Lagnar View Post
Recall the patriot response to the Cliven Bundy debacle.

Now imagine the response should the Virginia patriots put the call out.
Was that the one where the 3%ers, militia and biker people all promised that if any bullets went flying there would be war? You know the one where the FBI shot the man in cold blood and all the macho wannabe ****ed their pants so bad even their mamas wouldn't get near them.

Were they all linked or separate. In any case the so called patriots that everyone expects to step up will no doubt be the first to hand over their weapons.
12-19-2019 02:21 AM
bound for glory
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Originally Posted by Vlad Tepes View Post
I think you May be Missing some Judges as Real America has had Enough!.
He is also missing the point that even if a "%" of a "%" decides they will make a stand, send the wife and kids home to mother and go out with guns blazing...well, .Gov will very soon realize that they lose.
12-17-2019 06:58 AM
teddyearp
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Originally Posted by blackriver View Post
Who's got the keys for the nukes? Asking for a friend
Hehehehe.
12-16-2019 04:24 PM
blackriver
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Originally Posted by TheFall View Post
Separation would be an improvement. But frankly I think we can do better than that.



The left has no fight in them. They have no strategic advantage. They are a fragile collection of disparate demographics with no unifying message who live in easily toppled cities with 'Just In Time' food supplies and no way of striking back against the rural enemy that surrounds their little pockets of blue.



We could separate, or we could take the entire country back.
Who's got the keys for the nukes? Asking for a friend

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