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03-30-2015 11:11 PM
Tundrascout I Wouldn't be surprised to see an iranian soumar or an old russian cruizer via ukraines sale to Iran getting routed through or in assistance with North Korea, being set up in Cuba, or closer.
03-30-2015 10:36 PM
Ruble
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Originally Posted by bertzie View Post
Does Iran even have missiles capable of hitting US soil?
Russia does and if we keep building the military along their border I wouldn't be surprised if Iran ends up with some ICBM's.
03-30-2015 10:11 PM
LibertyWatch
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Originally Posted by talon115 View Post
1 million was actually low balling it. Hell, let's spread more "freedom!"

"The Nobel Prize-winning International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War and other groups examined the toll from the so-called war on terror in three countries—Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The investigators found the war has, directly or indirectly, killed around one million people in Iraq, 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, a total of about 1.3 million."
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/3/2...strikes_tikrit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_sur...War_casualties

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-spon...ildren/5314461

Don't forget the 500,000 kids.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrrOu8uV8o
Using liberal progressive opinions or Wikipedia to try to answer is weak at best but typical of a LSP. You probably sell carbon credits on the side as well.
03-30-2015 07:37 AM
scipio337
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Originally Posted by talon115 View Post
NO, but even if they did, they wouldn't. China and Russia do, but you don't see them shooting them our way. Iran is just a boogieman to keep Americans attention focused away from issues at home, while they strip our rights and to keep the Military Industrial Complex rolling in money.
That's it. Boeing actually sends the mullahs a check every month just to chant "Death to America" every Friday.
03-29-2015 10:19 AM
talon115 NO, but even if they did, they wouldn't. China and Russia do, but you don't see them shooting them our way. Iran is just a boogieman to keep Americans attention focused away from issues at home, while they strip our rights and to keep the Military Industrial Complex rolling in money.

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Does Iran even have missiles capable of hitting US soil?
03-28-2015 08:43 PM
Astronomy Look up (open source) Shahab launches, North Korea/Chinese/Russian/Iranian missile technology transfer & testing, Iranian satellite networks, Caspian Sea testing, and throw weight for Iranian missiles. They've been pursuing/improving that capability for decades.

I didn't say they have nuclear warheads; just a delivery mechanism that could serve the purpose I outlined.

Your comment pretty much echoes evaluations of Japanese capabilities during the lead up to WWII. I've opposed Iranian manned intelligence and insurgent support networks on the ground. They aren't actually stupid. Far from it.
03-28-2015 07:51 PM
Basic Human Unit
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Not launched from Iran (at this time). But they possess and have tested IRBMs (Intermediate Ranged Ballistic Missiles) launchable from commercial ships (like a cargo freighter). Thousands of which ply our coastal waters every single day. Most flagged for convenience.

Iran has successfully test fired ship-borne missiles capable of carrying a nuclear payload and in a performance envelope useful for only one thing. EMP warhead delivery into the upper atmosphere. They don't have to be accurate. Just be crafty and lucky enough to approach international waters off the North American coast and get off a few shots. The USA would have but a matter of minutes for warning.

They fired a lot of conventionally tipped missiles at Iraq during a previous war.
Pure uncut bull****.
03-28-2015 07:31 PM
Astronomy Not launched from Iran (at this time). But they possess and have tested IRBMs (Intermediate Ranged Ballistic Missiles) launchable from commercial ships (like a cargo freighter). Thousands of which ply our coastal waters every single day. Most flagged for convenience.

Iran has successfully test fired ship-borne missiles capable of carrying a nuclear payload and in a performance envelope useful for only one thing. EMP warhead delivery into the upper atmosphere. They don't have to be accurate. Just be crafty and lucky enough to approach international waters off the North American coast and get off a few shots. The USA would have but a matter of minutes for warning.

They fired a lot of conventionally tipped missiles at Iraq during a previous war.
03-28-2015 06:23 PM
bertzie Does Iran even have missiles capable of hitting US soil?
03-28-2015 09:59 AM
junglecrawler Okay, I learned why it was done.

Frightening.

People better make sure their preps are up to date.
03-28-2015 03:57 AM
junglecrawler
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Originally Posted by talon115 View Post
Everyone knew it anyway except for the American people, who are still naive enough to think the stork brings babies.
Wait, are you telling me it doesn't?


Anyway, all cards were on the table when the Samson Option held the world hostage.

Putting aside the who's right or wrong debate for the moment, I wonder where this decision came from. Despite the left/right paradigm that we're force fed, Israel has support from both the left and right. This isn't a liberal thing Barry Sotero's doing. I wonder who the real support is for this, hiding behind the curtains, pulling the levers...

@Cavalcade; You're doing exactly what you're accusing others of with your last post, brother. Culminating in a cartoon of the Platonic triumviri was pointless. This may was well be just another political forum you fight on with that post.
03-28-2015 03:36 AM
Cavalcade of Events
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Originally Posted by firstforcerecon View Post
I guess we could be talking about our criminal leader trading 5 Taliban commanders for a deserting traitor. And I never like Regan either. Obama clearly spilled the secret on their Nuclear weapons because he was having a temper tantrum. Why do Idiot Liberals stick for these criminals? Oh I know because they put them in office.
You are quite the one-trick pony when it comes to insults and pejoratives. Bravo!
03-28-2015 03:35 AM
Cavalcade of Events
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Originally Posted by clocker View Post
A simple question for you Leftists / Obama apologists: Is there **anything** this POTUS can do to turn you against him in the slightest? Or, at the very least, publicly decry such behavior?

Would even you directly witnessing him throttling to a Down-syndrome child, or skinning a live baby harp seal, or performing torture on an 8-month pregnant mother make you think less of him? Or would you just dismiss anything and everything as a damn Republican trick, and you'd claim that the child/seal/mother are probably evil Conservatives and deserved it, anyway.
#1 -- I'm not an Obama apologist.

FWIW, there are very few policy decisions I would consider "wins" during his tenure as POTUS. I think a lot of people had higher hopes and expectations than what has been offered thus far. Undoubtedly he has failed to deliver on quite a few of his earliest campaign promises. He had the chance to be a champion for the "liberal cause" in his earliest years when his party held a super majority in Congress, yet very little important policy decisions were ever pushed through during that time.

The President has done many things that warrant strong criticism. However, I am not going to throw a fit like a petulant child in regard to his Administration declassifying information on one of the worst kept "secrets" (Israeli's nuclear capabilities) in geopolitics and chalk it up as some treasonous, deplorable act like many of you here would like to do.

Contrary to the immense squabbling that proliferates this message board concerning his die-hard liberalism, his actual track record and style of governance shows the exact opposite. He is perhaps the most moderate Democratic POTUS since FDR/Truman. I realize that a firm understanding of political ideology is lacking in these parts, but ignorance is no excuse when it comes to being informed on how things actually work.

For starters, I suggest you and anyone who is interested reads up on asymmetric polarization to have a better standing on how the policy decision making process works. Better yet -- remind me again, what are the crazy, bat**** liberal things he has pumped down the throats of the general public?

Health care reform? Ha. Constructed and highly similar to proposals set forth in Congress by Republicans, and comparable to Mitt Romney's plan in the state of Massachusetts.

Financial crises approach? By in large, a continuation of many of GWB's policies, including the extension of his tax cuts. The biggest cuts in discretionary spending in relation to the budget in all-time history. Widespread support for the cap and trade initiatives drafted and proposed by John McCain.

I could go on debating this for ever, but it will likely fall on deaf ears. Policy and ideology are quite dexterous. The way things are, especially with how far right his opposition is will never allow him to be as liberal as those who elected him to office would hope he would be. He knows he can't be that way and that is not how he governs -- the proof is in the pudding. If you want to **** on the boots of someone who had a strong desire and reliance on government involvement in the affairs of people's every day lives, look no further than LBJ.

Newsflash: the caricature painted around these parts that he is some anti-Captalist, un-American Socialist is a bunch of rigamarole. It comes from ignorance, but that is no surprise considering how uneducated and misinformed the general public is on matters of government.

#2 -- I know the perfect Christmas gift for you this year.



You are welcome.
03-28-2015 03:07 AM
firstforcerecon
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Originally Posted by Cavalcade of Events View Post
I figured it wasn't going to be addressed by anyone in the thread. The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning.

Ronald Reagan's administration, one of (if not) the most corrupt administrations in history sends weapons and arms to Iran, along with a myriad of other stupid foreign affairs decisions seem to not get criticized by those who "adore him" due to "party affiliation" -- yet they are first in line to cry like babies when the Administration declassified intelligence information regarding Israel.

They must thoroughly enjoy the taste of licking boots and kissing ass.
I guess we could be talking about our criminal leader trading 5 Taliban commanders for a deserting traitor. And I never like Regan either. Obama clearly spilled the secret on their Nuclear weapons because he was having a temper tantrum. Why do Idiot Liberals stick for these criminals? Oh I know because they put them in office.
03-28-2015 02:57 AM
firstforcerecon
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Originally Posted by talon115 View Post
1 million was actually low balling it. Hell, let's spread more "freedom!"

"The Nobel Prize-winning International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War and other groups examined the toll from the so-called war on terror in three countries—Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The investigators found the war has, directly or indirectly, killed around one million people in Iraq, 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, a total of about 1.3 million."
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/3/2...strikes_tikrit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_sur...War_casualties

http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-spon...ildren/5314461

Don't forget the 500,000 kids.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOrrOu8uV8o
Yes because it's a You Tube video, and it support's the ideals of Idiot Liberals it must be true. What ever the total death toll is 90 % was Muslims killing Muslims. An indisputable fact.

How absurd that you believe that crap. Us Soldiers don't go around killing kids. Dumb ass.
03-28-2015 02:40 AM
clocker
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Originally Posted by Cavalcade of Events View Post
They must thoroughly enjoy the taste of licking boots and kissing ass.
A simple question for you Leftists / Obama apologists: Is there **anything** this POTUS can do to turn you against him in the slightest? Or, at the very least, publicly decry such behavior?

Would even you directly witnessing him throttling to a Down-syndrome child, or skinning a live baby harp seal, or performing torture on an 8-month pregnant mother make you think less of him? Or would you just dismiss anything and everything as a damn Republican trick, and you'd claim that the child/seal/mother are probably evil Conservatives and deserved it, anyway.
03-28-2015 01:37 AM
Cavalcade of Events
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Originally Posted by talon115 View Post
How dare you even utter the holy name of Saint Reagan!
I figured it wasn't going to be addressed by anyone in the thread. The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning.

Ronald Reagan's administration, one of (if not) the most corrupt administrations in history sends weapons and arms to Iran, along with a myriad of other stupid foreign affairs decisions seem to not get criticized by those who "adore him" due to "party affiliation" -- yet they are first in line to cry like babies when the Administration declassified intelligence information regarding Israel.

They must thoroughly enjoy the taste of licking boots and kissing ass.
03-27-2015 11:57 PM
talon115 How dare you even utter the holy name of Saint Reagan!

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Originally Posted by Cavalcade of Events View Post
I wonder how many of the right wingers here were criticizing Ronnie Raygun when he traded arms to Iran in exchange for hostages.
03-27-2015 07:16 PM
Baddogg5 this earns Obama the Deushe bag of the Month award....of course he has been wining that most every month since 09
03-27-2015 07:14 PM
geoffl The issue isn't that knowledge of Israel's nukes were a secret to anyone, it was pretty much universally known or at the least suspected. The issue is a petulant child released the information to get back at an ally who opposed him. So, with that in mind, and his obsession of getting a nuke deal with Iran no matter what the cost, what US ally would trust this administration with any information? They bitched about the Saudi's bombing Yemen without consulting Obama, but why would they trust him to not go back and give a heads up to Iran? Here is a guy who claimed having Bibi here to speak with Congress would influence the Israeli election while at the same time he sent operatives and taxpayer money to try to get his opponent elected. He not only is out to screw America, but our allies too while he favors the very extremists that threaten us. His actions are not only unbecoming the office, but trend dangerously close to treason. Not that the spineless morons in office would ever do anything about it. In short the world now knows like we do, if Obama's lips are moving he is not only lying, but angling to screw over our (and their) interests.
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