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12-21-2016 01:09 PM
Bearack
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Originally Posted by kev View Post
I honestly think Russia does not want a conflict.
I agree in some regards. Putin wants to be the Soviet of old where Soviet influence around the world was comparable, if not greater that American influence.

I think Putin is now flexing his new found Russian power and I think having Trump in office will actually benefit Putin in that they can focus on influencing the rest of the world while Trump does his thang!
12-21-2016 07:52 AM
MdNiM
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Originally Posted by Heartlander View Post
I remember Obama telling Medvedev, he will have more flexibility after he wins the next election.

Obama open mic slip: 'After my election I have more flexibility' - YouTube
I don't see why the angst or worry about Russia. Obama has done so much for Russia over the last eight years that a case might be made that Russia actually secretly influenced the 2008 elections that saw Obama reach the Presidency.

The US world power has been replaced with the apologetic tour. Trump inherits a situation for negotiating that has been compromised. Obama created a Syrian emergency with terrorists that strengthened Russia's profile in the Middle East. He destroyed the country of Libya and turned it into a cauldron of terror and a pipeline for European influx of Muslim refugees. He made NATO irrelevant and the UN a joke. He actually improved the Russian economy encouraging them to develop other aspects of their economy other than oil.

Obama has done more for Russia than any other US President in history.
12-21-2016 06:44 AM
roseman It's OK that obama tried to influence the Israeli election and the Brexit vote. What a hypocrite.
12-21-2016 05:43 AM
clocker
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Originally Posted by Pranqster1 View Post
Let me summarize your response: Its okay for taxpayers to pay for guarding Trump's third wife and his first and second wife's kids because it benefits corporate stockholders. Got it.
Apparently the right is okay redistributing taxpayer money when it suits them?
Let me summarize your response: Its okay for taxpayers to pay for guarding Obama and his man-wife to their myriad vacations to the tune of **$85 million**, him all the while wrecking the economy and destroying our international reputation. Got it.

Oh, BTW, Trump's 3rd wife Melania will be First Lady, so of course she'll be protected, just like every other president's wife since the Secret Service has been in existence.

And, I hate to break it to you Pranqs... It's the economy, stup*d.
12-21-2016 04:53 AM
Trackball
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Originally Posted by America's Patriot View Post
BTW, Russia has values that are closer to what we used to have, and I think that is why it appeals to some people. They are an almost 80% Orthodox Christian, Caucasian society. It's definitely better than the alternative that we were presented with over the past eight years (I say this loosely) by the America hating, refugee loving, scumbags that we've had in office.
I read a theory that the main historical problem of the West and Russia that the Russian people look like Europeans, but think like Asians.
Asian - is Asian. No one expects the "European" behavior from them. Since Russian is another matter.
At the same time Western people subconsciously expect "European" reaction from the Russian.
12-21-2016 03:35 AM
Pranqster1
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Originally Posted by clocker View Post
Trump since becoming President-Elect (~1.5 *month*) has done more for the economy (witness: the optimistic and upturned stock market, and the ~800 jobs saved at Carrier) than your economically disastrous President in his whole *8* sorry years. So, at least New York and the rest of the country is actually getting something for their Secret Service moneys spent. Obama is too busy golfing and Hawaii'ing, and giving away the house... (BTW, where *DID* all those trillions go??! Did it make the economy better? Nope. Leftists will never understand giving away stuff never made the economy better; only government getting out of the way of businesses has.)
Let me summarize your response: Its okay for taxpayers to pay for guarding Trump's third wife and his first and second wife's kids because it benefits corporate stockholders. Got it.
Apparently the right is okay redistributing taxpayer money when it suits them?
12-21-2016 01:45 AM
clocker
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Originally Posted by Jojo View Post
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/news...ump/index.html

Congrats! Even before taking office or a vacation your boy has run up a higher tab than Obama. Might want to clean your nose.
Trump since becoming President-Elect (~1.5 *month*) has done more for the economy (witness: the optimistic and upturned stock market, and the ~800 jobs saved at Carrier) than your economically disastrous President in his whole *8* sorry years. So, at least New York and the rest of the country is actually getting something for their Secret Service moneys spent. Obama is too busy golfing and Hawaii'ing, and giving away the house... (BTW, where *DID* all those trillions go??! Did it make the economy better? Nope. Leftists will never understand giving away stuff never made the economy better; only government getting out of the way of businesses has.)
12-19-2016 02:10 PM
America's Patriot BTW, Russia has values that are closer to what we used to have, and I think that is why it appeals to some people. They are an almost 80% Orthodox Christian, Caucasian society. It's definitely better than the alternative that we were presented with over the past eight years (I say this loosely) by the America hating, refugee loving, scumbags that we've had in office.
12-19-2016 02:00 PM
America's Patriot
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Originally Posted by Jojo View Post
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/news...ump/index.html

Congrats! Even before taking office or a vacation your boy has run up a higher tab than Obama.
Might want to clean your nose.
What planet are you from? Every president and their family get's Secret Service escorts. And when Trump starts hitting that $8 trillion dollar mark, then you can start comparing. Let's at least give the pompous ass a chance...
12-19-2016 01:16 PM
Optimist Ambassador Karlov's assassination may change that....
12-19-2016 01:15 PM
TRyan Putin and Russia are just waiting out Obama's term until the big boys arrive and he can actually have an adult conversation without being asked about his feelings.

Sent from a Galaxy S5 far far away.
12-19-2016 12:45 PM
Jojo
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Originally Posted by clocker View Post
Obama's an America-hating fool. This latest idiocy, accusing Russia of tampering with U.S. elections, is par for the course.

(Speaking of golf... Obama's making us disrespected throughout the political world and putting us **trillions and trillions** in debt isn't enough; he rubs all our noses into it with his myriad vacations, golf and travels, to the tune of **$85 million.**
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Protecting President-elect Donald Trump and his family is costing New York City more than $1 million a day, according to three city officials. Those costs won't necessarily drop significantly once he moves to the White House. <snip> Adding to the expense is the cost of police assigned to Trump's adult children and his grandchildren, who are also receiving Secret Service protection
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/news...ump/index.html

Congrats! Even before taking office or a vacation your boy has run up a higher tab than Obama.
Might want to clean your nose.
12-19-2016 12:34 PM
Helion
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Originally Posted by ROCK6 View Post
If you are anti-neocon, than you are likely a pro-socialist/communist; that explains your stances completely, and I have no time or sympathy to engage in a debate with an ideologue not consistent with Constitutional values. It was a socialist who coined the "neocon" term and the perpetuation of the common strategy of leftwing radicals who love name-calling. Best of luck to you and post SHTF plans...

ROCK6
lol

Neoconservatism is not conservatism.

It's was formed by hawkish liberals in the 60's when they hijacked the conservative party. They don't respect rights, have socialistic tendencies and are yuuuuge globalists.

In fact Trump ran kind of an anti-neocon campaign. That's probably why he won and where the anti-Semite moniker came in.

In reality, Hillary Clinton was the candidate closest in being in line with neo-con ideology. The "Never Trump" movement was spearheaded by neocons such as Podhoretz, Bill Kristol, NRO and a few others.
12-19-2016 09:33 AM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by Pranqster1 View Post
I wouldn't jump in bed with Putin like Trump and his neocons have. Neocons have no integrity, They would sell out their mothers if it advanced the party, they always have.
If you are anti-neocon, than you are likely a pro-socialist/communist; that explains your stances completely, and I have no time or sympathy to engage in a debate with an ideologue not consistent with Constitutional values. It was a socialist who coined the "neocon" term and the perpetuation of the common strategy of leftwing radicals who love name-calling. Best of luck to you and post SHTF plans...

ROCK6
12-19-2016 09:17 AM
Dixie_Dude Someone needs to get their facts straight. Trump cheated on his first wife with his second. He wasn't married long to the second. He regretted it and what happened so he divorced her and didn't remarry for several years to the one he has now. So he only cheated on one, not all. Funny too, both of his first wives supported him for president. They knew he could get things done.

Trump wasn't a liberal all his life. He is a pragmatist. He supported those who could help his businesses, like all business in America. Why do you think 90% of the billionaires in America supported Hillary? They didn't want change, they didn't care about American workers. Trump did, and he is going around thanking people in states that voted for him. No other president elect has done that. Then he still has time to get his cabinet together. People who know him says he works about 18 hours a day. The people he has put on his cabinet are also workers and get things done. He didn't put Rudy Giuliani on his cabinet because he didn't think he had the energy or stamina for the grueling work he wanted a Sec of State to do. This is what Rudy said on an interview. This man is going to expect things to get done, on time, and less costly. No political appointments.
12-19-2016 09:06 AM
Heartlander
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Originally Posted by MattB4 View Post
How much integrity does the democrats have? The party of hypocracy and moral failures. Funny you mention not jumping in bed with Putin and yet Obama and Hillary did just that years back. But back than it was ok since we were all supposed to be good communists together. They courted him majorly up until Putin took advantage of them.

Did you complain back than about Obama and Putin? Bet not.
I remember Obama telling Medvedev, he will have more flexibility after he wins the next election.

12-19-2016 08:11 AM
Pranqster1
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Originally Posted by Heartlander View Post
What would you be doing if someone leaked the truth about the GOP?

Yes the truth, the facts about their dirty little backroom dealings?

What if they leaked what you have known all along, that the other side were despicable anti-Americans, who are corrupt, that cheat and collude with the media?

What if you knew that their candidate was a play to play traitor who sold the country for money and power?


But nooooo prangster1 supports the corruption, cheating and colluding.
I wouldn't jump in bed with Putin like Trump and his neocons have. Neocons have no integrity, They would sell out their mothers if it advanced the party, they always have.
12-19-2016 06:50 AM
Onlooker Then of course, regardless of who hacked/leaked; The information seems to be true and it only served the people to make it known... Makes me think of Snowden... He did something illegal to expose illegal activities our governments were doing; The sad part is those same governments simply rewrote the laws and retroactively protected themselves... Too bad theres no such thing as Karma.
12-19-2016 06:44 AM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by Pranqster1 View Post
I can't imagine the hysteria we'd be hearing from right wingers if a foreign leader helped Hillary win instead of helping Trump. Its funny how neocons so easily overlook flaws when they help their side win, as if they suddenly forgot that Trump has been a liberal all of his life, and has proudly cheated on all of his wives with the latest model....
You wouldn't hear the reverse because the "fake news" main stream media wouldn't report it. The "never Trump" crowd are likely the biggest hypocrits...throwing stones from their glass houses. Most Trump supporters are quite aware of his sordid history, but they are also aware of HRC's even more corrupt history. Either you are a realist or a hypocrit or simply an ideological fool.

I am a realist who voted for trump and have no reservations or illusions about that decision. No politicians should be trusted, the least of which are liberal progressives. If that's where you put your faith, you continue to be both a fool and an ideologue regardless of your political affiliation.

ROCK6
12-19-2016 06:06 AM
BrotherDon
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Originally Posted by Pranqster1 View Post
I can't imagine the hysteria we'd be hearing from right wingers if a foreign leader helped Hillary win instead of helping Trump. Its funny how neocons so easily overlook flaws when they help their side win, as if they suddenly forgot that Trump has been a liberal all of his life, and has proudly cheated on all of his wives with the latest model....
Show me where a foreign leader helped Trump win? Evidence that HAS be presented showed that someone INSIDE the DNC, whonwas tired of the crap, gave the info to Wiki leaks, not the Rusians.

Brother Don, Catholic Hermit
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