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11-19-2019 08:27 AM
Enforcer A larger knife is always attached to my pack. I have vacillated between a folding saw and a pack axe/hatchet for many years as a primary camp tool. I am convinced the the axe/ hatchet is the better "survival tool" because it is easier to chop an adversary than "saw" them. On my person I generally carry a a 3-4" folder as a defensive weapon; hardly a camp knife by any stretch of the imagination. However, if put in that roll, I would rather have a short fixed blade than a short folder. YMMV

Best regards

Rod
11-18-2019 05:58 PM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by PeterWiggin View Post
the best knife is the one with you. Do any of y'all carry your knives in your packs?

I carry my primary knife in my pack, so I wear my esee izula ii on my neck with a 3" firesteel and a couple of cotton balls.

I don't foresee my losing my pack, but it could happen.
I won't lie. I typically keep a knife in my pack. As much as I have advocated for and always practiced keeping your fixed blade "on your person", it's not always feasible. Even for distance backpacking, I carry little to nothing in my shorts/pants pockets and nothing on my belt; however I do have a small fixed blade attached to my pack's waistbelt for quick/easy access.

Are there stories and the potential for someone to lose their pack? Sure some situations (especially certain environments or activities like canoeing or mountaineering) can have more opportunities for errors or mistakes. It's hard to simply judge the chance of that.

I will say from a more "tactical" perspective, whenever we practiced certain battle drills when being the target of an attack or ambush, we routinely "dumped our rucks" to E&E faster and avoid becoming a casualty. I also recall a little survival outing I was invited to and we were about a half-mile from the main camp collecting and filtering water, and the host simply said "stop, the camp has been compromised, if you had to E&E do you have what you need on you"?

I'm torn as it's easy to say build the good habits now, but reality is rarely that simple. Just be as prepared as you can be, and keep your skills practiced and your kit as close as you can. I know many don't consider a folder a "survival knife", but it's often the one many of us will have on our person when we need it.

ROCK6
11-18-2019 09:41 AM
PeterWiggin the best knife is the one with you. Do any of y'all carry your knives in your packs?

I carry my primary knife in my pack, so I wear my esee izula ii on my neck with a 3" firesteel and a couple of cotton balls.

I don't foresee my losing my pack, but it could happen.
11-16-2019 10:16 AM
Vanishing Nomad
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Originally Posted by Eddie_T View Post
My unfinished knife from a file. I don't know if I will ever get back to it or not. It was annealed, hammered and ground. Overall length 11" and a bit rusty now.
Very nice!! get that puppy finished up!
11-16-2019 10:15 AM
Vanishing Nomad
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Originally Posted by Justme11 View Post
How do you un-curve the steel? Do you heat to anneal then pound it flat?
Heat it up until it is red hot, and hammer it flat on an anvil.

Hot metal fresh out of the forge is a lot like working Playdough. The only real difference is that its too hot to touch. You have to use tools to handle it.

The hammer and anvil, for example, take the place of squishing the Playdough between your fingers.

If you want to make knives, go buy Playdough, and practice working it into a good knife shape. Then bake it dry and use sand paper to get the final perfection.

It will be the same as hammering metal to the right shape, and using a grinder or file to get the final details right.
11-15-2019 05:29 AM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by IC_Rafe View Post
Maslow's gavel:
"I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."
Well, ironically, all I had was a knife and I needed to hammer a nail...it worked

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Originally Posted by Eddie_T View Post
I treat all my knives as knives and that will be especially important if we ever reach a situation where replacement is not an option. I broke a blade in my favorite pocket knife decades ago trying to bore a hole in a sugar maple and that taught me a lesson I have never forgotten.
I don't advocate abusing a knife or pushing it beyond its limitations, but I've also been in positions where the only tool available was a knife. I do agree, if you're in a position where exercising a warranty or having a tool box of options are not feasible options, you "should" make smart decisions with how you use your one knife/tool (a knife is a great tool designed to make more appropriate tools). However, a quality knife (thinking fixed blades) can take an enormous amount of abuse, often more than most are capable of dishing out.

Having seen an expensive, large Busse knife dig hole for water filtration hole adjacent to a slow moving river with a rocky streambed, it honestly made me cringe. But other than some cosmetic damage, it was fine. No chips in the blade, but it likely needed a little touch up on the edge. While I've seen that and can understand the capabilities, I also know I could have quickly used the knife to make a digging stick. A knife is simply a tool to help solve problems and there are many ways to use them; it's up to the knife-user to understand the environment, time-constraints, task/problem requirements, and know the capabilities and limitations of what tool you have on you when you are faced with a need or problem.

I'm simply a user who enjoys knives as a hobby. I have used some extremely hard, debatably abused them, but never pushed them beyond their capabilities.

So, when I (literally) have a nail and no hammer, but I do have a $500+custom knife designed for harsh use, my knife handle worked just fine for a hammer....some will say it's ignorant abuse, I just see it as field expediency and improvisation with a tool designed to handle more than just cutting...

ROCK6
11-14-2019 12:28 PM
clc79092
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Originally Posted by Eddie_T View Post
I treat all my knives as knives and that will be especially important if we ever reach a situation where replacement is not an option. I broke a blade in my favorite pocket knife decades ago trying to bore a hole in a sugar maple and that taught me a lesson I have never forgotten.
If your going to abuse a knife, use someone else's?
11-13-2019 10:31 PM
Eddie_T My unfinished knife from a file. I don't know if I will ever get back to it or not. It was annealed, hammered and ground. Overall length 11" and a bit rusty now.
11-13-2019 08:22 PM
Justme11
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Originally Posted by Vanishing Nomad View Post
Speaking of knives, Lookie what *I* scored!!!

Out of a brand new, 2019 ROUSCH F-250 with 1500 miles on it!!
How do you un-curve the steel? Do you heat to anneal then pound it flat?
11-13-2019 08:07 PM
Bluesman60
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Originally Posted by Vanishing Nomad View Post
Speaking of knives, Lookie what *I* scored!!!

Out of a brand new, 2019 ROUSCH F-250 with 1500 miles on it!!
You should be able to make some fine blades out of that Lot. I need to develop into my next phase of knife making, right now I only make knives out of files and I cut and shaped a Bowie sized knife out of an old Kukri blade.
11-13-2019 07:37 PM
Vanishing Nomad Speaking of knives, Lookie what *I* scored!!!

Out of a brand new, 2019 ROUSCH F-250 with 1500 miles on it!!
11-13-2019 11:38 AM
Eddie_T I treat all my knives as knives and that will be especially important if we ever reach a situation where replacement is not an option. I broke a blade in my favorite pocket knife decades ago trying to bore a hole in a sugar maple and that taught me a lesson I have never forgotten.
11-13-2019 09:36 AM
IC_Rafe
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Originally Posted by ROCK6 View Post
I do agree, but oftentimes the only tool on your person is a knife and the task at hand may have nothing to do with cutting...



In a perfect world, sure. Reality has proven (for me) to the complete opposite. While knives are not optimum shovels, pry-bars, screwdrivers, hammers, chisels, cable/wire cutters, piercing or cutting through sheet metal, etc...if it's the only tool you have on you, it's the best tool for the job, especially when time and other options aren't a luxury. YMMV

Most of the time you can plan for several contingencies, but you rarely can pack or travel with all those options, and the time you need a tool that isn't "knife appropriate" is often when those options aren't available, but your knife is, and time could be (often has been for me) a critical factor.

ROCK6
Maslow's gavel:
"I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."
11-11-2019 09:38 PM
Omgitsjoetime I love knives. If I won the lottery I’d be a knife hoarder! Something about cutting tools like knives and axes get me exited. IMO my KA BAR has been the most reliable and affordable knife I’ve ever owned. Now there’s other knives that would be good in certain cases but this is one well rounded knife.

https://youtu.be/2e0UAFGpfJo
11-11-2019 09:15 AM
ROCK6
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Originally Posted by DisgruntledPatriot View Post

No ONE knife does it all well. I think we all forget that knives are tools, and we all get wrapped around the axle expecting them to do far more than they were designed to do.
I do agree, but oftentimes the only tool on your person is a knife and the task at hand may have nothing to do with cutting...

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Originally Posted by DisgruntledPatriot View Post
Knives are NOT:

shovels, pry bars, hammers, screwdrivers, or any other non-cutting tool I am forgetting.
In a perfect world, sure. Reality has proven (for me) to the complete opposite. While knives are not optimum shovels, pry-bars, screwdrivers, hammers, chisels, cable/wire cutters, piercing or cutting through sheet metal, etc...if it's the only tool you have on you, it's the best tool for the job, especially when time and other options aren't a luxury. YMMV

Most of the time you can plan for several contingencies, but you rarely can pack or travel with all those options, and the time you need a tool that isn't "knife appropriate" is often when those options aren't available, but your knife is, and time could be (often has been for me) a critical factor.

ROCK6
11-11-2019 08:02 AM
Justme11
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Originally Posted by IC_Rafe View Post
If someone needs to go through a brick wall in a survival situation, and you have the time to make a hole with a knife, i'm sure there'll be other things lying around at most times which can be used and will be handier, safer and faster than a knife.
I was just playig off the post before me that mentioned brick walls.

I did cut a nice hole through a brick wall for my dryer vent replacement.
used it as a chisel and hit it with a drilling hammer.
11-11-2019 07:54 AM
IC_Rafe
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Originally Posted by Justme11 View Post
If you want to go through a brick wall.

Becker Tactool.
Actually one of my most used knives.
If someone needs to go through a brick wall in a survival situation, and you have the time to make a hole with a knife, i'm sure there'll be other things lying around at most times which can be used and will be handier, safer and faster than a knife.
11-09-2019 10:42 PM
Vanishing Nomad
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Originally Posted by PeterWiggin View Post
did anyone realize this was a joke post?
QWWWIET!! Shut your mouth!!!
11-09-2019 05:17 PM
Bluesman60 if the Becker Tactool had a corkscrew to open up bottles of Vino it would be the perfect knife
11-09-2019 04:14 PM
Justme11 If you want to go through a brick wall.

Becker Tactool.
Actually one of my most used knives.

https://www.amazon.com/KA-BAR-200038.../dp/B001IPILMA


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