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08-30-2019 07:15 PM
stinger5900 They will learn that the same way they will learn you need to carry a concealed weapon. When they need it and dont have it.
08-29-2019 09:48 AM
HappyinID More than 10 days now... not much hope.

The poor families.
08-25-2019 05:09 PM
Outpost75
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Originally Posted by Justme11 View Post
I rescued about 30 powerboats with my sailboat in my time sailing in barnegat bay. I would tow them back under sail to kind of rub it in.

Friendly rivalry between stink potters and blow boaters.
Back in the day my brother and I jointly owned a 1977 Pearson 30 which we kept over in Solomon's Island, MD not far from NAS Pax River. I referred to it as my "first mortgage."

Then I got married and my brother's wife had a kid and all the fun was over...

We called ourselves "rag benders," the stink potters called us "blow boaters."

Splice the main brace!
08-25-2019 11:11 AM
Justme11
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I thought they determined the stuff they found wasn't from their boat?
You might be right. I know they said something like that. The tackle bag though, they insisted belonged to the firemen.
08-25-2019 11:05 AM
HappyinID
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Being run down would also explain the tackle bag being found (Did they also say they found the cooler lid)? .
I thought they determined the stuff they found wasn't from their boat?
08-25-2019 06:45 AM
Justme11
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Originally Posted by Central Scrutinizer View Post
His Dad might have deferred maintenance near end of his life. The little stuff that keeps the seawater out, seals, bellows in the transom. Maybe there was some rotten wood in the hull.

Or they could have hit a rogue wave and gotten pitched overboard.

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Could have been a lot of things. But it was a reasonably new looking boat, and the hull should just be layed up fiberglass laminate. There should not really be any thru hulls, since there is no head or sink. And an outboard should not have a driveshaft with bellows seal.

My thinking is that the single engine quit for some reason and they had no idea how to fix it or had the tools to do so. If the boat had not operated in the ocean in the last year, there could have been sediment that got stirred up from the fuel tank in the offshore wave action / pounding, that clogged up whatever fuel system that thing had. Having a single engine, that would put their boat into helpless drifting.

But if the battery was still good and the radio worked, they should have been able to radio for help to another boat or possibly the Coast Guard tower.
I suppose the battery could have failed as well, but talk about unlikely.

I think the boat drifted on the wind and current way faster than they projected and they simply looked where they weren't.

or they were run down by a large ship that didn't see them. that explains no radio call. And if the boat was cut right in half, the part with the engine would sink, leaving some smaller hunks that escaped their search? Being run down would also explain the tackle bag being found (Did they also say they found the cooler lid)? .
08-25-2019 04:57 AM
Central Scrutinizer
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It was his recently passed away father's boat, that he was taking out for one last time before the estate was selling it. Dad may have been more old school and didn't believe in new fangled tech.
His Dad might have deferred maintenance near end of his life. The little stuff that keeps the seawater out, seals, bellows in the transom. Maybe there was some rotten wood in the hull.

Or they could have hit a rogue wave and gotten pitched overboard.

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08-25-2019 01:57 AM
HappyinID
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Yeah, I'm beginning to think something happend quick. If it didn't there would have been time to get a message off. However, being firefighters, they are safety minded. I'd think they'd of had a EPIRB and even if they didn't have time to turn it on, it would have self activated when coming in contact with water.
It was his recently passed away father's boat, that he was taking out for one last time before the estate was selling it. Dad may have been more old school and didn't believe in new fangled tech.
08-23-2019 06:37 AM
Justme11
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I think the Coast Guard would know the currents and be able to predict with some relative accuracy their movements assuming they had good information on their beginning location. If they decided to go somewhere totally different then all bets are off.

Plus there's a lot of boating in that area, seems someone would have seen something.
They were headed 40 some miles offshore to a fishing spot. probably not too many boats out there. If the engine stopped short, they could easily drift away un-noticed. Single engine vulnerability.

I doubt drug smugglers would want that small boat with no storage space.

With all that freeboard, that boat would be greatly influenced by the wind. Movement would be dictated by the vector sum of current and wind drift. The fishing bag , mostly under the water would not be affected much by the wind. If it took them over a day to find the fishing bag, the boat, (if floating normally) might have been 50 miles away.
08-23-2019 06:21 AM
Don H
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Yes, but as I said earlier, I think the current carried the wreckage north beyond their search area.
I think the Coast Guard would know the currents and be able to predict with some relative accuracy their movements assuming they had good information on their beginning location. If they decided to go somewhere totally different then all bets are off.

Plus there's a lot of boating in that area, seems someone would have seen something.
08-23-2019 06:04 AM
Central Scrutinizer
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I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I boat, but inshore. I have heard from others that they were approached by a suspicious boat while offshore. Boat made a bee-line right at them. It was only after the boaters made a show that they were armed that the boat veered off and left.



Being offshore and not in sight of land or other people makes on vulnerable to piracy. Back when I would venture offshore, I took a firearm with me.
Boat hijacking was not unheard of in South Florida. The most famous one was some guy who rented a fishing boat, killed the owners and tried to go to Cuba. The others were hijacked by drug dealers looking for another boat to haul drugs with. A mile out, there are no witnesses , nobody to help you if you are boarded.



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08-23-2019 06:02 AM
Pitbull_Dallas
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Yes, but as I said earlier, I think the current carried the wreckage north beyond their search area.
I was looking at maps of the gulf stream in that general area and it doesn't "appear" to be that close to shore. They were only going 30 miles out. I could be wrong though because the maps weren't that good and the steam does move around.

I know when we'd be drift fishing in the gulf in or near the stream we'd move pretty fast and we would have to crank up and relocate periodically.
08-23-2019 05:31 AM
Jdog67
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I don't believe anyone has mentioned that maybe they were abducted and the boat taken.
That would account for nothing being found except a small tackle bag. When I lived in Orlando I knew guys that went offshore fishing and they always carried a weapon. Seems boat theft by drug dealers was not unheard of. .
I live in the Tampa Bay area, and I boat, but inshore. I have heard from others that they were approached by a suspicious boat while offshore. Boat made a bee-line right at them. It was only after the boaters made a show that they were armed that the boat veered off and left.

Being offshore and not in sight of land or other people makes on vulnerable to piracy. Back when I would venture offshore, I took a firearm with me.
08-22-2019 10:00 PM
Old fart
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I don't believe anyone has mentioned that maybe they were abducted and the boat taken.
That would account for nothing being found except a small tackle bag. When I lived in Orlando I knew guys that went offshore fishing and they always carried a weapon. Seems boat theft by drug dealers was not unheard of.

If the boat was hit by a severed storm, rogue wave or a larger vessel it has enough floatation in it that even if it had broken up pieces would still float and should have been found.

OK, so here's another possibility, as much as I hate to think it or write it.

Maybe they wanted it to look as if they were dead, and they are safe someplace else (or en route) living their new lives. Insurance money for families left behind... maybe the families to catch up with them later, or maybe they just ditched their families

And then there's always that pesky Bermuda Triangle and sharks

I really and truly hope I am wrong.

Hugs and prayers to them, their families/friends, and people looking for them.
08-22-2019 05:38 PM
Justme11
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I don't believe anyone has mentioned that maybe they were abducted and the boat taken.
That would account for nothing being found except a small tackle bag. When I lived in Orlando I knew guys that went offshore fishing and they always carried a weapon. Seems boat theft by drug dealers was not unheard of.

If the boat was hit by a severed storm, rogue wave or a larger vessel it has enough floatation in it that even if it had broken up pieces would still float and should have been found.
Yes, but as I said earlier, I think the current carried the wreckage north beyond their search area.
08-22-2019 05:18 PM
Don H I don't believe anyone has mentioned that maybe they were abducted and the boat taken.
That would account for nothing being found except a small tackle bag. When I lived in Orlando I knew guys that went offshore fishing and they always carried a weapon. Seems boat theft by drug dealers was not unheard of.

If the boat was hit by a severed storm, rogue wave or a larger vessel it has enough floatation in it that even if it had broken up pieces would still float and should have been found.
08-22-2019 02:48 PM
Pitbull_Dallas Don't know if you noticed, but they updated the article in your link at 2:00 and it said they've suspended the search. Very strange they found nothing, even with the gulf stream being present.

Still haven't found the marine info for that day, but today's is showing 2-3 foot seas. Talked to my daughter in Melbourne and she said the weather was good last Friday, about like today. A 2-3 sea is nothing..

Edit: The daughter called me again and said there have been some thunderstorms in the afternoons and there where on Friday..
08-22-2019 09:03 AM
Justme11
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Originally Posted by Pitbull_Dallas View Post
Yeah, I'm beginning to think something happend quick. If it didn't there would have been time to get a message off. However, being firefighters, they are safety minded. I'd think they'd of had a EPIRB and even if they didn't have time to turn it on, it would have self activated when coming in contact with water.

Side note: The blisters you mention are not uncommon. When I bought my boat, the dealer warned me of it. If you're going to leave the boat in the water full time you need to get a bottom job (anti-foul Paint). Otherwise it will blister. Virtually all fiberglass hulls will do that.
I know about osmotic blisters. (typically only cosmetic). What I was referring to was a guy that found a void in his hull the size of his hand. He noticed it sounded hollow when he tapped on it. They took it back and the dealer had to cut out and replace a big section of the hull.

It was on one of the boating websites I looked at this morning.
08-22-2019 08:13 AM
Pitbull_Dallas Yeah, I'm beginning to think something happend quick. If it didn't there would have been time to get a message off. However, being firefighters, they are safety minded. I'd think they'd of had a EPIRB and even if they didn't have time to turn it on, it would have self activated when coming in contact with water.

Side note: The blisters you mention are not uncommon. When I bought my boat, the dealer warned me of it. If you're going to leave the boat in the water full time you need to get a bottom job (anti-foul Paint). Otherwise it will blister. Virtually all fiberglass hulls will do that.
08-22-2019 08:03 AM
Justme11 If the fuel tank was half empty, that would give a lot of flotation also.
Only 12 inches of draft. With the motor off, that boat would skitter along on top of the water like a beach ball. Unless it had been hit by a freighter or sub, or they hit a submerged log going at high speed and broke the hull.

I think they drifted out of the search area on day 1. They might find the boat in a month washing up in England.

If they were going to a fishing spot, odds are there would be a bunch of other boats out there. So if they were still upright and alive, should have been able to summon help on the VHF or with the flares, even if the engine died.

They must have had a sudden collision, too fast to radio for help.
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