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11-08-2019 10:07 AM
Big-D
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Originally Posted by Justme11 View Post
I wonder if they tried just making the fires illegal? The answer might have been staring them in the face.
11-08-2019 08:55 AM
Justme11 I wonder if they tried just making the fires illegal? The answer might have been staring them in the face.
11-08-2019 04:14 AM
jetgraphics
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Originally Posted by Mazarine33 View Post
Oh My God. Please pardon my lack of sympathy and harsh tone. Millions of people do without all over the planet and they're not filled with terror. Holy ****.
The big difference is that 'doing without' is their standard operating procedure. Nothing to fear, nothing unknown. I lived in a one room cabin, with no power, etc, etc. But that was 'normal.'

Take any behavior and suddenly curtail it, and you will get chaos.

The Amerindians couldn't handle life that was not based on hunting / gathering. Self sufficient farmers couldn't handle being driven by economic pressures to become factory labor. When factories closed, workers panicked at the thought.

The modern consumer boomer accustomed to cheap and plentiful power, pumping water, providing light, keeping warm, and connected to the world is certainly going to feel the lack thereof.

If this goes on, let's party like it's 1899!
Or more likely, like it's 1839!
11-07-2019 02:37 PM
SeaBeeDaddy
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Originally Posted by Fire_fighter View Post
I just cant help but feel someone is getting rich(er) off of this event.

I cant help but feel like people are suffering due to darker motives than forest fires. Such a convenient excuse to grab power no?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pg-e-...165101189.html
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(Bloomberg) -- PG&E Corp. creditors say the utility could wind up paying bankers and certain stock owners $1 billion in fees for arranging a bankruptcy exit plan that wildfire victims say favors Wall Street over burned-out neighborhoods
11-07-2019 02:26 PM
dontbuypotteryfromme
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Originally Posted by Fire_fighter View Post
I just cant help but feel someone is getting rich(er) off of this event.

I cant help but feel like people are suffering due to darker motives than forest fires. Such a convenient excuse to grab power no?
Nah. When there is a choice between malicious intent or beurocratic incompetence. The smart money is always incompetence.

Reliable power costs money. Bushfire prevention costs money. Disaster management costs money. And is all very easy to shuffle off to the side as too hard to deal with right now.

And then they all just collapse at once and you have a mess on your hands.
11-07-2019 01:46 PM
Fire_fighter I just cant help but feel someone is getting rich(er) off of this event.

I cant help but feel like people are suffering due to darker motives than forest fires. Such a convenient excuse to grab power no?
11-07-2019 11:27 AM
NW GUY
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Originally Posted by Mazarine33 View Post
Oh My God. Going a matter of days, a week, 10 days without power and people are losing their minds? Holy ****.

Reading that article, the publishers should be horsewhipped for fostering so much fear in people. Its like they take pleasure in terrorizing people. That article drips with malicious glee behind the fake oh so sensitive facade.

I can recount going not days but weeks or months without electricity during the hot late summer from hurricanes. And ya I'm still here. Did not freak or **** my pants and was not afraid. I could clearly see what needed to be done and figured out ways to do it. Maybe not the best or easiest ways but I got them done.

The constant harping on fear fear fear. People need to have the **** slapped out of them and told to get a grip. Fear is the biggest enemy a person can face. To become paralyzed by it and what might happen is stupid. Sorry but ya it's stupid.

Please pardon my lack of sympathy and harsh tone. Millions of people do without all over the planet and they're not filled with terror. Holy ****.
11-07-2019 04:14 AM
Lava
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Originally Posted by Cornly2 View Post
My Pop is a prepper. He has every possible scenario worked out short of alien invasion.

Yet during the last hurricane he forgot to get all of his pills. He came to shelter at my house with guns, ammo, all important docs, food, you name it. But he only brought his pill case with 3 to 4 days worth of his pills instead of all of them.

Granted he's 77 but he's super sharp. He just figured it'd only be 3 days. It wound up being 3 weeks. Frankly it was a case of I know better than all of you and the weathermen. He was wrong.

It took enormous efforts during the most inopportune time to acquire medicine.

I still can't believe it happened. There's certainly a lesson in arrogance here as well as the ignorance you suggest.

I think that average folks like my Pop and probably myself can suffer from both of these issues. We just have to admit it.

I'm not sure which is worse, the arrogance that you know everything that will happen, or ignorance that you've have no idea because you gave it no thought.

They sound pretty equal to me at this point.
I must say I see that a bit on various sites, esp when there are weather events. They say it won't be as bad as the forecast says or it won't hit their area. People will be people, with all their biases and prejudices, doesn't matter whether they are preppers or not.
11-06-2019 09:24 PM
Im RIght
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Originally Posted by Ready?mom View Post
We are a couple of “brain-dead liberals”. When they told us last year that we would be having outages we knew we needed to get a generator. We put in our standby generator 4 months ago and it’s working great. We started “prepping” years ago, way before it got popular. Not all liberals are waiting on free stuff and hoping for someone else to bail them out.
Left Vs Right
Positive law vs natural law
rights of the group vs individual rights
Universalism vs exceptionalism

Bold is how I grade you... ie "right".

What is that makes you think you are a "liberal"?
11-06-2019 07:55 PM
Florida Jean And kids are missing school [for better or worse]. Do they have 'snow days' figured into their school year? Or 'hurricane days' like we have down here.

Most teachers are paid by the month. Are they still being paid? Will they be paid more if they have to work 'extra' days to catch up with the attendence requirements?

Toss in how many cars will get repossessed because of missed payments?
Add missed mortage payments? Will folks lose their homes?
And missed rental payments? Leases broken and people thrown out of their apartments?

Increased credit card interest rates because of missed payments.
11-06-2019 02:47 PM
dontbuypotteryfromme
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Originally Posted by dmas View Post
You lose power, most people lose their paycheck, too.
People loose pay checks and property and buisness go under and people get fired and probably more crimes.

Having a ratty electrical system that can't cope winds up costing more money than it takes to fix.

It will also wind up costing everyone more money. Not just California.

But I assume it will be someone else's problem and never get fixed properly.
11-06-2019 02:33 PM
dmas You lose power, most people lose their paycheck, too.
11-06-2019 09:22 AM
Big-D
11-04-2019 04:14 PM
Iamfarticus We live in a world (in the US at least..) where electrical power should be a given.

With the state of what is going on in California, they have slunk backwards 80 years or more in time. They are almost back to the birth of the incandescent bulb.

Blame it on the fires, like we believe that? There is more skullduggery going on than that, when in doubt, follow the money. Anyone following the $$? It has to be something wild to do something like strongarm the rate payers into a heinous hike in their utility bills.
11-04-2019 03:04 PM
dontbuypotteryfromme https://youtu.be/9wf4KfqLadg
11-04-2019 02:14 PM
Big_John Last spring during the Bomb Cyclone, we lost power for 2 days, in really cold and super windy conditions. No web surfing, email, social media..... no Survivalist Board..... No TV. It was basically like a weekend of camping, the way we do it.... boon-docking, very remote.

Heck, we talked.... we read books..... we had a great time.

I didn't fire up the big genset.... only the little one, plugged into and rotating between the frig's and freezers every several hours. We lost nothing.

These people who can't handle the conditions (with the exception of businesses that are loosing profits)..... need to use the situation as a learning opportunity and get ready. Its only going to get worse over the years and an EMP will make it happen everywhere instantly.

I think it would be wise for every family in America to flip their breaker box switch and do it for 4-7 days a year, just to learn and know whats really needed for Prep.

It's amazing what a household can do with a couple of deep cells and a 100watt solar panel and inverter.

......
11-04-2019 01:47 PM
Justme11
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Originally Posted by Snyper708 View Post
The article said he was worried about losing the food so I took that to mean he was running refrigerators and freezers.

I doubt he got a 30KW machine for $1700
He was trying to still run his restaurant according to the article, (because he needed the income). Also judging from the fuel consumption rate and my familiarity with at least 1 restaurant led me to guess it was around 30 kw.
My 11 kw unit was around $700 when I bought it on sale. It was hard to resist at that price and i figured it might run one of my central air conditioners if direct connected with short wiring.

The wording again for reference.
"Following the last blackout, he realized he couldn’t afford to be closed that long. It forced him to burn through the savings he had squirreled away for the upcoming slow months. So he hunted down a generator 100 miles away in Yuba City and paid $1,700 for it. It takes about 12 gallons of gas at a time and runs only for six hours. That means he had to come in at 3 a.m. each day or it would shut off and he would lose all his food. But gas became scarce — there were no open stations in town.

“It’s stressful,” he said. “You have to get (money) from somewhere else to continue to pay the bills.”"

12 gallons in 6 hours is a LOT.
Diesel fuel consumption chart.
https://www.dieselserviceandsupply.c...nsumption.aspx
A gasoline genny is a lot less efficient than a diesel. So yeah, maybe a 15-20 kw genny then.

it also didn't say if he bought a new or used genny.
Actually, he might have bought this one. 13 kw Powerhorse has about a 12 gal tank and if run maxxed out might only last 6 hours between fills.
Price is in line at $1800.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...4786_200664786
11-04-2019 01:31 PM
Snyper708
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Originally Posted by Justme11 View Post
Sounded like the guy was trying to run his restaurant on the genny.
The restaurant I worked at as a kid had.

2 - Walk-in Freezers
Walk-in fridge
Air conditioning
Lights
Exhaust fans.
electric griddle
toaster
Heat lamps
Warming drawers for potatoes
Big convection Oven
3 deep fryers
Commercial ice machine
smaller fridges on prep line.
Industrial dishwasher
Misc food processors, mixers, blenders.
Several coffee machines.

So that would need a big generator. probably 30 kW to limp along (or much more if running normally),or 15 times larger than a 2 kw.
Would only need to run the refrigeration units at night, but during the day we used a lot of power (and natural gas for the broilers. )
The article said he was worried about losing the food so I took that to mean he was running refrigerators and freezers.

I doubt he got a 30KW machine for $1700
11-04-2019 10:37 AM
goat daddy electricity is a luxury. Just like health care. If you can afford, you can purchase it one way or another. When times get hard people cut back on luxuries. We are experiencing that now. liberal people look to the government to come to their aid as they won't. Lets see how the California public utility commission handles this
11-03-2019 10:06 PM
Cowboypapa
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Originally Posted by Snyper708 View Post
He could have bought a new Honda 2200i for less and it would run nearly twice as long on just one gallon of gas.
Except that a 2200 generator wont run a commercial refrigerator in a restaurant.
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