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09-06-2016 08:18 AM
AlgoRhythms I learned my limits. And that knowing how to do a just few things very well was far preferable than half mastering a lot of "technique".

And there was always someone else better than me so choose my encounters very carefully.
09-06-2016 08:05 AM
TSilant The Lesson: I wish i could own a gun.
09-04-2016 11:34 PM
woobla Lessons.. Don't learn any martial art thinking you are learning how to defend yourself. Martial arts is an art and sport and has almost no real world application


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08-30-2016 05:37 AM
TookerJobs Like several people have already said: avoiding fights is best. If you do fight, do as much damage as possible. The only rule is that there are no rules. I screwed up a few years ago. I was in the "hood", and I had just sat down at the table to smoke a nice hand-rolled cigar with a neighbor. Then, one of our stupid acquaintences insisted that we include him in the cigar rotation. I said "no" because he never once contributed, yet wants to share $10 cigars all the time. He got lippy, and I decided not to light up the cigar until he left. Well, the POS just sat there saying "I'm not gonna leave until we smoke this". So, I put the cigar on the counter and and challenged him. We started boxing, and I landed a few really good shots to his face and body. Then, I felt bad for him, so I switched to grappling so I could get him to submit without destroying his face. I got him in a headlock, and he was trying to resist being thrown (as you do). My foot planted partly on the linoleum and partly on the rug. Sure enough, the rug slid, and my knee buckled with a snap and a pop. I kept a tight grip on his neck as I fell to the ground. My plan was to choke him unconscious so I could crawl away. A bystander broke it up, and someone else beat him up a little while later. I hopped out to the porch and called 911 for an ambulance. I told them I had an accidental fall.

I could have avoided the situation.

I could have chosen not to give AF about $10. I could have just continued to demolish him with my fists. I could have been more aware of my surroundings.

As a matter of principle, though... it's not about the cash value. In San Diego, I asked a guy if he could spare a 25 cents for bus fare. He was so offended, that he followed me two blocks and yelling threats. When the crossing light was red, I turned around and told him that we would be scrapping if he didn't stop following me. He took a swing, and I knocked him down with my first punch. As he was trying to stand up, I leaned down and punched him 6 or 8 more times near the ear and temple until he started gushing blood. Then he put his hands up and yelled "stop". We walked away, but someone called the cops already. I did just under 72 hours in the county until the got the statements together and dropped charges. They called it assault/battery with grave bodily harm. Screw California.
08-27-2016 01:58 AM
BJJ_Grappler I learned that the K.I.S.S. principle applies in self defense. I think that's why I like muay Thai so much for self defense, but BJJ for work applications.
08-23-2016 02:14 PM
bearhawk My father was a gangster type in business with the "Family" in the 1930's and 1940's. My training started at 5 years old. By the time I was 14 years old and 6'x185 lbs with no fat. I thought I was good, after all I could whip all of the family members sons that had the same training. My father was very, very good at street fighting and boxing, And loved what he did. One day when I was 14 years old we were boxing and he said lets quit because he was getting tired. I told him that he was getting old ( 44 years old at the time), so I back handed him 2 times. I started to backhand him the third time. That was when I got hit by 10 people at the same time. Laying on my back, it took a while to get the cob webs out of my head as he was walking away. That was when I got mad at myself for being so dumb. That old man had been playing with me the whole time. Don't mess with old men of 42 years old that are very, very good.
I was always to slow to be halfway good.
08-23-2016 09:59 AM
home in oz That a large caliber pistol with hi-cap magazine is very useful as long as you have it with you and are proficient in its use. YMMV
08-23-2016 09:27 AM
OldCorps If you're still fighting after five seconds, your opponent is better then you expected and your tactics are wrong.
08-23-2016 09:14 AM
sixtus
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prepping View Post
From observations on the street, in the military and in prison.

Fancy pajama dances are worthless against skilled and experienced street fighters.

So Asian martial arts are a joke against other skills where the person knows something. The Bruce Lee movies and the Karate Kid series got a lot of scrawny, gullible kids to fork over a lot of money and time into thinking they were learning fancy fighting skills and when it came down to it, they got their butts kicked and were left in pain and horrible astonished.

The ground fighters I noted did well against Asian style martial artists, as did skilled boxers, and what we use to call 'free style'. The ground fighting stuff impressed me. A friend of mine, a highly skilled martial artist considered it an art form, good for some self discipline but utterly worthless for anything but competition. He resorted to grappling on the day he had to deal with two use of force incidents in the same day because they were much more effective. Russian and Israeli stuff smokes the Asian stuff...and straight out thugging and gooning does as well...then came the UFC and the MMA...those are insanely difficult to deal with.

People should have known this back before the boxer rebellion. Europeans, Indians and Sikhs in British service, and Americans smoked the Boxers in hand to hand combat, armed and unarmed. Prior to the full out fighting, many unarmed fights took place between the sailors, Marines and soldiers of various 'western' Nations and the rebellous Chinese and the Chinese quickly resolved they needed to resort to weapons. Many military men back then were pugilists. In our American West, a handful of Railroad goons could keep thousands of Chinese in line with primarily physical force and a few firearms. Americans had a lot of tough SOB's and they use to like to fight a lot. We've changed.

Against someone unaware, untrained, and drunk, judo, karate, all that stuff works, but so does simple aggression and planned moves of any kind. This is just my opinion. I'm too old, big and lazy to do more than I need to goon someone, giving the horrific problem that deescalation and avoidance didn't work. Besides, now, if I'm just going about my personal business, and there's some sort of physical altercation, there will be assault charges involved because I certainly didn't provoke and likely tried to stop any violence and that means it's an out of control situation with criminal activity, hopefully, very unlikely considering most of my choices on what places and times I avoid. Work is a different matter.

I'm not saying that if someone wants to learn fancy pajama dances and pretend that it's 'martial' arts they shouldn't. I encourage them...they might be competition for my sons.
Agree totally. Most of the ''McDojo'' styles don't work. They actually do work if trained properly, that is full contact, with strong emphasis on fitness and utilising grappling, which most traditional styles actually have in their writings somewhere. But less than 5% of clubs bother with it.

Real useful fighting training(aka boxing, kickboxing, MMA, sambo, BJJ, etc) is damn hard work and therefore doesn't draw big memberships. So called ''Senseis'' realise the average folk doesn't want to break too much of a sweat. If he can convince dad and the kids they are turning into Bruce Lee for a modest fee, he'll get ten times the membership. Dad and the kids will probably never get in a fight and find out it doesn't work anyway, so its a safe deal. And that is why the MA industry is 90% misguided people.

Also agree about the mysticism of Asian martial arts and warfare making no sense. When Asian forces had enough being beaten by the west, they dropped their codes, systems, traditional styles and copied ours. There are no shoguns or feudal lords left in Asian armies after all- its all privates, corporals, captains, and colonels etc.
08-20-2016 11:39 AM
Prepping From observations on the street, in the military and in prison.

Fancy pajama dances are worthless against skilled and experienced street fighters.

So Asian martial arts are a joke against other skills where the person knows something. The Bruce Lee movies and the Karate Kid series got a lot of scrawny, gullible kids to fork over a lot of money and time into thinking they were learning fancy fighting skills and when it came down to it, they got their butts kicked and were left in pain and horrible astonished.

The ground fighters I noted did well against Asian style martial artists, as did skilled boxers, and what we use to call 'free style'. The ground fighting stuff impressed me. A friend of mine, a highly skilled martial artist considered it an art form, good for some self discipline but utterly worthless for anything but competition. He resorted to grappling on the day he had to deal with two use of force incidents in the same day because they were much more effective. Russian and Israeli stuff smokes the Asian stuff...and straight out thugging and gooning does as well...then came the UFC and the MMA...those are insanely difficult to deal with.

People should have known this back before the boxer rebellion. Europeans, Indians and Sikhs in British service, and Americans smoked the Boxers in hand to hand combat, armed and unarmed. Prior to the full out fighting, many unarmed fights took place between the sailors, Marines and soldiers of various 'western' Nations and the rebellous Chinese and the Chinese quickly resolved they needed to resort to weapons. Many military men back then were pugilists. In our American West, a handful of Railroad goons could keep thousands of Chinese in line with primarily physical force and a few firearms. Americans had a lot of tough SOB's and they use to like to fight a lot. We've changed.

Against someone unaware, untrained, and drunk, judo, karate, all that stuff works, but so does simple aggression and planned moves of any kind. This is just my opinion. I'm too old, big and lazy to do more than I need to goon someone, giving the horrific problem that deescalation and avoidance didn't work. Besides, now, if I'm just going about my personal business, and there's some sort of physical altercation, there will be assault charges involved because I certainly didn't provoke and likely tried to stop any violence and that means it's an out of control situation with criminal activity, hopefully, very unlikely considering most of my choices on what places and times I avoid. Work is a different matter.

I'm not saying that if someone wants to learn fancy pajama dances and pretend that it's 'martial' arts they shouldn't. I encourage them...they might be competition for my sons.
08-20-2016 11:34 AM
Weldnfab4 1. Fast disarming techniques....
2.And situational awareness.....
3. Time spent in a shotokan dojo is actually a great stress reliever... Lol.
08-20-2016 11:17 AM
sixtus The lesson I learned from martial arts is that like most things in life people expect something for nothing, and like most industries there are people selling them this nothing and telling them its something. Growing up in Australia in the 70's and 80's when everything still settled by fists saw a karate or aikido or kungfu guy get bashed by drunks in clubs each week. Did not take long to work out there was a whole industry of suckers out there paying money for belts that often don't work. Made my choice in boxing and wrestling, which took care of 99% of situations.(We hadn't seen BJJ at that stage, though were aware of Judo's basics)
06-08-2016 12:15 PM
Insector I learned there's a big difference in an accomplished martial artist than a fool who thinks he is one..........

You are never better than your sensei........and he better be a great one.

If your training is no good in a fight then you have been trained wrong.......

Know your capabilities and your limitations. Never fight except for your life.........


And train, train, train, ..........work it baby and sooner or later it will come back to you in a good way.........

Its a way of life- a state of mind......

What I say
06-08-2016 12:06 PM
MikeG I don't know if boxing is considered a 'martial art', I personally look at it more as a sport than a self defense system, but here are some good lessons I've learned from the few years I have under my belt.

1. Speed kills
I've seen sluggers get wrecked by guys who cant hit half as hard, just because they could move, get out of the way, and hit more often.
2. No one cares about your muscles
Similar to the first point, technique beats brute force. Guys that come into the gym bragging about how they're 'street fighters' and/or they lift weights all the time and are stronger than everyone else, typically get the crap kicked out of them.
Related: Bodybuilder vs boxer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL-NP-wgj3U
3. Cardio
If you're gonna get into a fight, make sure you can last until the end of it.
4. You'll survive getting hit
This is more an issue with people just learning to fight, people afraid to get hit. Learn to take a hit, understand that you'll survive, and keep fighting through. Not a huge issue in martial arts training, but if it's a real fight where your survival might be at stake, you can't ball up and try to avoid taking any damage at all after the first hit.
02-20-2016 12:39 AM
woobla what I learnt : 99% of martial arts training has no relevance or help in the ambush or any real self defense benefit. Most give false confidence. A rule I practice 90/10 you must practice 90% situation awareness and de-escalation and 10% gross motor defense.
10-09-2015 08:22 AM
JerseyHomestead it is a journey
10-09-2015 07:53 AM
dodubb years of bjj, muay thai and mma...

the lesson: when you are in the moment, not thinking just reacting and breathing you will always perform your best. rely on your training.

rolling with dudes for hours you find a sweet spot between conserving energy and staying contious and finishing folks

its like a mindless state very zen. just reacting and staying loose and not thinking about your next move just taking what is given to you.


second lesson: dont mess with too much head trauma you have lots of life left to live. gym wars can leave a mark
09-14-2015 04:37 PM
trinity93 treat a fist fight like a gun fight. shoot to kill
09-14-2015 04:11 PM
tsitenha Awareness, practice all your senses, intuitions, interpret your surroundings, at first mistakes but learn from them.

don't sidestep a kicking mule, avoid it before you pass by.
09-12-2015 08:28 AM
mfxman
Quote:
Originally Posted by oddgunner View Post
I did all that stuff 30 years ago, now I am too old and dont like to fight anymore. If you pull that crap out on us old guys we will probably hurt you real bad real quick. But as you have asked the question.

1 know what is going on around YOU all the time
2 know when to leave the area
3 keep them out of your bubble (if they cant touch you your ok)
4 do not get mad, doing so will make you do everything wrong
5 there is no such thing as a fair fight
6 normally no one wins, there is just a lesser degree of loss
7 If you have to fight, finish it as quickly as possible. (the older you get the more important this becomes)

I avoid fighting as much as possible. If your in a fight with me, you started it and I have no other choice.
Amen! Summarized my views and situation accurately and succinctly.
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