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06-25-2019 10:10 AM
MBI
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Originally Posted by Late2Prep View Post
I have been looking for a good little pocket gun, and several are appealing for various reasons, the Kel-Tec because of the price, the Tomcat because of the quality, but what stands out with most of the options is a short lifetime. A couple thousand rounds and they are worn out or malfunctioning.

And I like to practice with what I carry, a thousand rounds may only be 10 range trips. So a truly small choice may not be a real option.

Why can't someone make a decent to high quality pocket gun that will last, has sights that you can see, and is accurate?
My wife and I each have NAA Guardians in .32 with about 500 rounds through each of them so far. Got out of the habit of shooting them because of the cost of ammo. Saved my brass though so I figure I'll start reloading for that caliber and maybe have a bit of a revival.

They're not quite as small as the Seecamp pistols that inspired them, but they're reasonably accurate little guns despite the tiny sights. My wife's only complaint is that if she shoots more than 50 rds or so in a shooting session, the next day the web of her hand is a little bit sore from the recoil.

What I'd really like to pick up though is a Colt 1903 in .32; an original one, not one of the new limited-run reproductions that came out a couple years ago.

I went to buy a Seecamp .32 to compare it to the NAA Guardians and saw that the Seecamp .380 is the exact same size as the Seecamp .32, and that was just too much to pass up.

I'm curious to see how long my Seecamp .380 lasts. If you listen to the factory schpeal, as long as you replace the recoil spring at the interval they recommend and scrub the chamber (low-tech delayed-blowback system) every 50 rounds, you should never have to replace the frame. They state they can return the pistol to like-new condition if you ever wear other parts out to the point where it needs a rebuild.

Despite the fact that it has NO sights at all, not even the simple groove that some earlier Seecamp pistols had down the top of the barrel, I was shocked at how tight of a group I can shoot with that gun.

My only complaint about the Seecamp .380 is that it hurts to shoot. I've done plenty of shooting in my life, with more types of guns I can count, and I'm no shrinking violet when it comes to recoil, but that little .380 hurts like the devil every time I pull the trigger. There's just not much gun to hold onto, and when the muzzle flips up the bottom of the trigger guard smacks my trigger finger so hard I could swear it's going to break my finger.

I haven't run into anyone else with the same problem, so unless they're just unwilling to admit that it hurts in order to save face, maybe I'm just becoming a wimp in my old age, or it's the shape of my hands, or it's how I hold the gun or something. I don't know. But while I love the gun since it gives me a .380 to carry in a package that's smaller than I've found in ANY other .380 or .32, even Derringers, it's the one gun I have that I don't enjoy practicing with.

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If you really want a .32 ACP rifle, all it takes is MONEY. I had a Remington 580 single-shot .22 converted to center-fire, the barrel relined and rechambered. I had this done when .22 ammo got scarce. Inch groups at 50 yards are normal. With full-charge loads ballistics are about like a .32-20 Winchester, but if I want "silent but deadly" I drop powder charges down to about 1 grain of Bullseye with a 100-grain bullet, which gives about 700 fps from the rifle and is no louder than an air rifle. No "can" is needed.
That's a pretty neat setup, thanks for the pics.
06-23-2019 06:26 PM
hatchet jack This was one of my favorite reads on 32 caliber guns. The last paragraph is the one I like the best.

https://gunblast.com/WBell_SW32s.htm
06-22-2019 07:05 PM
Aceoky Carry what you wish, get very good with it and IF you have to use it make it count. It's your life on the line (and GF in this case) so your choice.
06-22-2019 06:21 PM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by Bobcat In The Woods View Post
Not right now. But the idea sounds fun just to play with.
if you want to talk about hypothetical gun build ideas, i am always up for that
06-22-2019 04:00 PM
Outpost75
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Originally Posted by jstert View Post
indeed the ruger lcp in 380acp sells well. as always ymmv: with or without the hogue grip sleeve many folks find it to be just fine, but others don’t. i’m not suggesting that ruger discontinue its popular lcp in 380acp, but adding 32acp, perhaps even 22lr, would bring more buyers to ruger, which already successfully follows this business model by offering its fine lcr revolver platform in a variety of caliber choices.


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I expect that Ruger has already done the research on that and knowing that the bulk of the market potential for the LCP is the US civilian concealed carry market, potential European sales being very limited due to the nature of their permitting systems, there is not enough volume to support producing another model in .32 ACP. The foibles of .32 ACP pistols being what they are, if they made the gun reliable and durable with Euro-CIP ammunition, it would be the Jam-O-Matic with US wimpy lawyer JHP loads. If the mechanism were properly balanced for US .32 ammo, the gun would probably beat itself to death in about 1000 rounds of firing Euro-CIP ammo, exactly as happens to the Beretta Tomcat.

I used to work in Ruger's engineering dept. back in the 1980s. I know their thought process. When attending trade shows the instructions given were to answer technical questions without revealing proprietary information and to sell what is in the catalog, not to think up new models. If you approached me at SHOT as a " big" distributor and asked me the question, I would have been instructed to say, "Sure, it takes a million $ order, cash up front," and they would be happy to make LCPs in .32 ACP for you. But that isn't happening.
06-22-2019 03:16 PM
jstert
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Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
Ruger has no plans to do so, as they sell all of the .380s they can make.

Shooting full-up .380 ACP is no problem in the Ruger LCP if you use the Hogue grip sleeve.

I have it on both of mine, makes a BIG difference!


indeed the ruger lcp in 380acp sells well. as always ymmv: with or without the hogue grip sleeve many folks find it to be just fine, but others donít. iím not suggesting that ruger discontinue its popular lcp in 380acp, but adding 32acp, perhaps even 22lr, would bring more buyers to ruger, which already successfully follows this business model by offering its fine lcr revolver platform in a variety of caliber choices.


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06-22-2019 09:58 AM
Outpost75
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Originally Posted by jstert View Post
imho a ruger lcp in 32acp would sell like hot cakes. i prefer handling the lcp over a naa guardian 32acp but not shooting the lcp in 380acp. not at all.


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Ruger has no plans to do so, as they sell all of the .380s they can make.

Shooting full-up .380 ACP is no problem in the Ruger LCP if you use the Hogue grip sleeve.

I have it on both of mine, makes a BIG difference!
06-22-2019 04:01 AM
jstert imho a ruger lcp in 32acp would sell like hot cakes. i prefer handling the lcp over a naa guardian 32acp but not shooting the lcp in 380acp. not at all.


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06-20-2019 02:52 PM
Hick Industries
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Originally Posted by Bobcat In The Woods View Post
Not right now. But the idea sounds fun just to play with.
I use my 32 HR as a kit gun during camping and fishing trips in the local woods.
While not a perfect choice for self defense, it performs alright if you handload suitable bullets.
It works very well for eatible small game, and Its fun and light wt enough for informal plinking.

Good to hear that you already handload ammo.

Kit guns
Kit guns are multi-purpose utility handguns, intended to be used for small game hunting, plinking, pest control, even self defense. They are generally small, lightweight,.22 rimfire, or 32 centerfire revolvers, designed to be easily packed in a hunting, camping or fishing "kit".They are ideally suited for shooting snake shot.at snakes, rodents, birds, and other pest at very close range. They are also commonly used to slaughter animals, euthanase animals or provide the coup de gr‚ce by hunters and fisherme.
06-19-2019 11:09 PM
Bobcat In The Woods
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
are you interested in a survival/hunting pistol or rifle in the caliber to get more use out of .32?
Not right now. But the idea sounds fun just to play with.
06-19-2019 10:27 PM
ajole
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Originally Posted by Bobcat In The Woods View Post
That's one of the problems with the micro 380s in my mind. The cartridge is being shoehorned into guns too small for it. I got my mom a Bersa 380, which is too big for pocket carry, but soaks up recoil pretty well. But it's bigger than my dad's Shield 9, so give and take.
I have a Hi Point .380...itís very, very easy on the hands. But not a pocket carry gun at all.
Also have the Bersa single stack, I agree, itís easy to shoot.

Both are really, really, accurate.
06-19-2019 09:43 PM
Late2Prep
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Originally Posted by Bobcat In The Woods View Post
I think either one costs more than my truck...
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Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
Good guns, but highly collectible and pricey!

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That's funny in hindsight, I had a Detective Special .32 that I literally ended up giving away to s friends aunt about 20 years ago. No one wanted it because it was a .32.

I was considering punching it out to .32 Mag, but didn't.
Like some other toys, it went away for something with a lot less style and class.
06-19-2019 05:04 PM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by Bobcat In The Woods View Post
Would be a fun "why not" gun.
are you interested in a survival/hunting pistol or rifle in the caliber to get more use out of .32?
06-19-2019 02:28 PM
Bobcat In The Woods
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Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
If you really want a .32 ACP rifle, all it takes is MONEY. I had a Remington 580 single-shot .22 converted to center-fire, the barrel relined and rechambered. I had this done when .22 ammo got scarce. Inch groups at 50 yards are normal. With full-charge loads ballistics are about like a .32-20 Winchester, but if I want "silent but deadly" I drop powder charges down to about 1 grain of Bullseye with a 100-grain bullet, which gives about 700 fps from the rifle and is no louder than an air rifle. No "can" is needed.
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
i dont think it'd be that hard to use a leinad/cobray derringer type of action to put a 18" barrel and a shoulder stock onto for a single shot .32acp rifle that would also be lighter, and possibly easier to break down for a compact survival rifle.. but i think the benefit of .32acp is you dont need to shoot it out of a rifle to do what a .22lr needs a rifle to do, a leinad/cobray with a 6" barrel for a longer sight radius would be plenty
Would be a fun "why not" gun.
06-19-2019 11:09 AM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
If you really want a .32 ACP rifle, all it takes is MONEY. I had a Remington 580 single-shot .22 converted to center-fire, the barrel relined and rechambered. I had this done when .22 ammo got scarce. Inch groups at 50 yards are normal. With full-charge loads ballistics are about like a .32-20 Winchester, but if I want "silent but deadly" I drop powder charges down to about 1 grain of Bullseye with a 100-grain bullet, which gives about 700 fps from the rifle and is no louder than an air rifle.
i dont think it'd be that hard to use a leinad/cobray derringer type of action to put a 18" barrel and a shoulder stock onto for a single shot .32acp rifle that would also be lighter, and possibly easier to break down for a compact survival rifle.. but i think the benefit of .32acp is you dont need to shoot it out of a rifle to do what a .22lr needs a rifle to do, a leinad/cobray with a 6" barrel for a longer sight radius would be plenty
06-19-2019 11:01 AM
Outpost75
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
yeah, its about the closest ones going to get to having a .32acp rifle, but if someone can make more use out of .32acp than just a pocket gun, they'll have extra reasons to stock up on it
If you really want a .32 ACP rifle, all it takes is MONEY. I had a Remington 580 single-shot .22 converted to center-fire, the barrel relined and rechambered. I had this done when .22 ammo got scarce. Inch groups at 50 yards are normal. With full-charge loads ballistics are about like a .32-20 Winchester, but if I want "silent but deadly" I drop powder charges down to about 1 grain of Bullseye with a 100-grain bullet, which gives about 700 fps from the rifle and is no louder than an air rifle. No "can" is needed.
06-18-2019 10:51 PM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
Chamber adapters also work firing .32 ACP as "Cat Sneeze" for small game in .303 British and 7.62x54R, using adapters from The Sportsman's Guide which I use routinely around the farm for dispatching garden varmints silently without disturbing the neighbors. They make these for .32 S&W Long also.
yeah, its about the closest ones going to get to having a .32acp rifle, but if someone can make more use out of .32acp than just a pocket gun, they'll have extra reasons to stock up on it
06-18-2019 10:33 PM
Outpost75
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
if you want an excuse to buy something else, consider .32acp and 7.62x39 both have roughly the same bore diameter and twist rate... think chamber adapter

Chamber adapters also work firing .32 ACP as "Cat Sneeze" for small game in .303 British and 7.62x54R, using adapters from The Sportsman's Guide which I use routinely around the farm for dispatching garden varmints silently without disturbing the neighbors. They make these for .32 S&W Long also.
06-18-2019 08:50 PM
hatchet jack Yep maybe you're right. I thought you were referring to blow back operated small guns with fixed barrels and the Kel-Tec is not a fixed barrel gun or in that category.
06-18-2019 07:43 PM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by hatchet jack View Post
The Kel-Tec is not a fixed barrel that is recoil operated. It has the same short recoil Browning design lock up as most of the larger guns like a Glock and 1911.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_P-32

The Kel-Tec 32 I owned was a very nice soft shooting gun. The only reason I sold it was because I didn't like the two tone look with the silver slide and black frame. I wish I hadn't done that.

The Walther/Manhurin PP I own is heavier than the Kel-Tec by 15 oz and is a blow back design but is a ***** cat to shoot because of the extra weight. A nice, flat easy to carry gun.
uuh, that "short recoil browning design" is known as recoil operated, like i pointed out.. when you go smaller and smaller in caliber, the recoil forces you have to work with become less and less as well, blowback, which uses a fixed barrel, does put more energy into a slide, and typically cycles smaller caliber pistols more reliably
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