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06-18-2019 02:16 PM
JDH
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Originally Posted by Ankylus View Post
Don't get up to Bastrop all that often anymore. My cousin is a muckety muck for TxDoT. I'll ask him next time I see him.
Our resident engineer may be stretching the truth, not that a state employee would resort to such conduct, but that is the gist many of us took away from the meeting and the ones before it.
06-18-2019 09:23 AM
Ankylus
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Originally Posted by JDH View Post
You should have attend the 71 meeting at the Bastrop convention center last week.

Most of the McDade stretch of 290 upgraded 18 months ago. Giddings to Brenham is finishing up now. Paige is next. Still waiting to see how they deal with the part in Giddings.
Don't get up to Bastrop all that often anymore. My cousin is a muckety muck for TxDoT. I'll ask him next time I see him.
06-17-2019 11:04 PM
JDH
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Originally Posted by Ankylus View Post
Got a source for that? All I could find was reports on separating the lanes with a median out around McDade.
You should have attend the 71 meeting at the Bastrop convention center last week.

Most of the McDade stretch of 290 upgraded 18 months ago. Giddings to Brenham is finishing up now. Paige is next. Still waiting to see how they deal with the part in Giddings.
06-17-2019 08:02 PM
Ankylus
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Federal grant money applied for after the Harvey grid lock and the resulting violence. There where shoot outs over the limited fuel supply, one less than 5 miles from the house. Widening shoulders to be able to use them as additional traffic lanes, putting in over passes to replace intersections with traffic lights to allow continuous flow, and making it so the east bound lanes to be shifted to counter flow are all part of the design.

The improvement in local commute times never entered their minds and will be a welcome side effect.
Got a source for that? All I could find was reports on separating the lanes with a median out around McDade.
06-16-2019 07:32 PM
JDH
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Originally Posted by Ankylus View Post
Couldn't have anything to do with the population explosion in Travis and surrounding counties? Naw, couldn't have anything to do with that.
Federal grant money applied for after the Harvey grid lock and the resulting violence. There where shoot outs over the limited fuel supply, one less than 5 miles from the house. Widening shoulders to be able to use them as additional traffic lanes, putting in over passes to replace intersections with traffic lights to allow continuous flow, and making it so the east bound lanes to be shifted to counter flow are all part of the design.

The improvement in local commute times never entered their minds and will be a welcome side effect.
06-16-2019 07:18 PM
Ankylus
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Projects ramping up in BASTROP county to improve US290 and SH71. Not for military readiness, no. It is to relieve congestion when Houstonians have to unass the area for approaching storms.
Couldn't have anything to do with the population explosion in Travis and surrounding counties? Naw, couldn't have anything to do with that.
06-16-2019 07:16 PM
Ankylus
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Originally Posted by ingyow View Post
Hmmmm! Do you think that "they" KNOW something? We never spent money for projects like this before. Maybe we should start researching if other states are getting similar projects. Lots of NOT GOOD things/changes on the near horizon! We need to increase our situational awareness!
Well, they've already been in the process of converting US 59 (Laredo to Chicago) into Interstate 69 for a number of years. We've been spending money on projects like this for years. I just think it's under most people's RADAR.
06-15-2019 01:38 PM
clc79092
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Originally Posted by [_]ni/\/\og View Post
If the pace of work on I35 is any indication the project should be finished by 2099...
Not even with I35
06-15-2019 08:32 AM
JDH
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If the pace of work on I35 is any indication the project should be finished by 2099...
And then it will not be able to carry the increased traffic load so they will start over.
06-15-2019 04:48 AM
IamZeke
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Originally Posted by DeepEastTexan View Post
I know that after huricane Katrina Hwy 69 from Beaumont to Lufkin and 69&59 going north from there up to i-20 were designated to be 4 lanes non stop once completed as a hurricane evacuation route after the traffic jam we had. Hwy 59 from Houston to Lufkin was added to that after hurricane Rita where the same thing happened. Our company has and is still having to move a lot of our fiber optic cable that follows 69&59. It just took a LONG time to really get things rolling, but we movedo our cable around Lufkin and Nacogdoches years ago for this project. The town of Zavalla is a train wreck right now.

I have been a bit out of the loop on this for the last few years as we contract out locates now, so this is the first I have heard of i-14. But at the rate it takes to get things done i-14 will be for hover cars and tanks before it's done lol. No joking here a TX DOT engineer once told me it takes about 10 years from initial project startup to get through design, approval, funding and final construction. Hence the reason everything is congested; it was designed based off 10 year old predictions of traffic needs in 10 years.
Having lived in Houston since it went from a very large town in the 60's to the megacity it is today, I have seen multiple freeways and 3 loops put over the decades. But there has never been a day in my life where there wasn't a section of I45 from downtown to Galveston where some part has the cones up for a section under reconstruction. They never actually get I45 completely finished. They just move the cones and barrels to a new section and work on that a bit more. Talking to older folks this habitual reconstruction predates me by over a decade. For the past 70 years a road crew has been working on this 50 miles stretch.

It brings to mind the ancient cathedral builders in Europe. There could easily be a 4th generation engineer or concrete pourer on the section of highway. It's good money being a freeway worker. Daddy gets his son the state civil engineering gig there and he tells his son that his grandson has a job already waiting on him in the future. Hundreds of years from now there will be some genealogist wondering where the surname Fortatfive originated from.
06-15-2019 02:32 AM
[_]ni/\/\og If the pace of work on I35 is any indication the project should be finished by 2099...
06-15-2019 12:23 AM
DeepEastTexan I know that after huricane Katrina Hwy 69 from Beaumont to Lufkin and 69&59 going north from there up to i-20 were designated to be 4 lanes non stop once completed as a hurricane evacuation route after the traffic jam we had. Hwy 59 from Houston to Lufkin was added to that after hurricane Rita where the same thing happened. Our company has and is still having to move a lot of our fiber optic cable that follows 69&59. It just took a LONG time to really get things rolling, but we movedo our cable around Lufkin and Nacogdoches years ago for this project. The town of Zavalla is a train wreck right now.

I have been a bit out of the loop on this for the last few years as we contract out locates now, so this is the first I have heard of i-14. But at the rate it takes to get things done i-14 will be for hover cars and tanks before it's done lol. No joking here a TX DOT engineer once told me it takes about 10 years from initial project startup to get through design, approval, funding and final construction. Hence the reason everything is congested; it was designed based off 10 year old predictions of traffic needs in 10 years.
06-14-2019 06:09 AM
Royd
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Originally Posted by dmas View Post
I thought to move equipment you need rail.
New road even in open flat country is not cheap. In seattle just a bike lane cost $12-13M per mile though poor oversite was involved

There is a rail that runs North out of Beaumont and usually there are infantry equipment on there. Guess maybe headed north to Polk or to the Port of Beaumont.

Zeke I agree too. I travel to Louisiana quite a bit for work and I10 all the way past Baton Rouge is terrible. They are widening it in parts and it's a nightmare, including crossing the river in Baton Rouge near downtown.
06-14-2019 12:33 AM
ZippyTheWonderPig I work in this industry, here is what is probably happening:

The states applied for Federal Funds to do the improvement based on traffic volumes, safety, etc. The projects did not score high enough to get the Federal Funds nor were that a priority for state DOTs to do with state-only money. So the congressmen in these area are using the "military needs" tactic to get Federal monies (FHWA funds 80-90% of the capital cost for approved roadway projects).

That is my best guess and I've seen it happen before.
06-13-2019 11:12 PM
BirdyB Didn't the report on the link mention 190? Widening 190 shouldn't be a big deal, unless the Alabama Coushattas raise heck. As it is now, if 59/69 is underwater or seriously disrupted as it was during Harvey, people are re-routed up to 146 and even as far up as 190, as happened years ago during a severe October flood. Either of those are a major detour, like an extra couple of hours up to several hours, depending on weather and traffic.

I'm not for new highways, but making 190 more accessible/wider wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. And making 146 a little easier to traverse too would be ok. 146 and 321/105 are already designated hurricane evacuation routes. Don't recall if 190 is too, but it's not a bad idea if it's not.

I'm not to terribly far from Ft. Polk. There is a fair amount of air traffic from there I guess down to the Houston area, based on the direction they fly in and out.
06-13-2019 09:49 PM
InOmaha It's to move illegal caravans through the state faster.
06-13-2019 02:20 PM
dmas I've never been military but have been to fort bliss. I was driving along when a tank pulled behind me. Talk about scary, easy to just accidentally squish me. Never got that feeling from a semi behind me.
Heavy loads do more road damage. One fully loaded axle on a truck does as much damage and wear as 10,000 cars.
06-13-2019 01:09 PM
neiowa
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Hmmmm! Do you think that "they" KNOW something? We never spent money for projects like this before. ......
NEVER??? the entire "Interstate System" was created as the "Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways". This is why every major Army base had a 4lane built close to it. AND why the interstates largely bypassed the center of metro areas (of the time/1950s).

mil convoy want the road, civilian traffic clear the way and exit at the next ramp.
06-13-2019 11:25 AM
kmech They (whoever they are) went through here last couple of years and raised all the bridges along the I80 corridor through the Sierras from Reno to Sacramento...maybe further
06-13-2019 09:58 AM
America's Patriot They've been widening the interstates for quite some time and will continue to do so over the next 20 years. LOL

As far as a new interstate? Unless it's diagonal from Houston to Amarillo, we don't need another interstate. 2, 10, 14, 20, 27, 30, 35, 37, 40, 44, 45, 49, 59, 69, 410, 650, 820... there are quite a few already. I've just never understood why all interstates run N/S or E/W and never diagonal. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line... we need diagonal interstates.
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