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02-05-2020 03:20 PM
Redbullitt Savage Hog hunter will fit the bill. Shoot well and affordable. An older stevens model will be cheaper yet and get the work done, minus a few frills.
02-05-2020 02:18 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by boomerweps View Post
Right now my biggest caliber is 7.62 x 39. I have a 5.56. I'm not really a hunter unless SHTF. Actually my wife is a long time hunter from times with her Dad. I'm more of a target and self defense shooter. What is a cost effective (yes, I am a cheap bastage) rifle in .308 or so rifle? A reach out and take down game or other target type rifle? I'd love a Garand but they are a bit more than I will likely spend. My familiarity with them is shooting blanks and cleaning them with the Vets Honor Guard for military honors funerals. My state (PA) law allows hunting with semi-autos but the Game Commission gets to set the rules and so far they have been pretty crappy about it and have dragged their feet for over a year on the topic unless it's a .22 or hunting coyotes.
Maybe a Scout type bolt action? Or an AR platform?
I'm open to suggestions from others more familiar with those platforms.
Yes, SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) will have some say in it if she can hunt with it.
1. Reach out and touch = More effective range than what 5.56mm or 7.62x39mm can deliver vs med/ big game.

2. 308 Win is a cartridge of interest. Very little first hand experience on ops end although his wife hunted with her daddy years ago.

3 Budget is tight, wife has a big day so in the matter, plus she might want to hunt with it.

4 op is familiar with the M1 Garand.

.......
Lets see now.....

11B
02-05-2020 12:13 PM
Surviving Suburbia Since this is dual-purpose SHTF and hunting and not just one-or-the-other, my vote is .30-06. Note the below is my opinion based on a lot of research, but not much experience. Just sharing a summary of what I've found.

It'll take any game in North America inside of 3-400 yards if you do your job at the trigger. Maybe not a grizzly, but this isn't Alaska.

Ammo availability
More energy than .308
AP availability (vs 7mm Rem Mag and other, longer-range hunting rounds with no milsurp ammo available). Really only useful in a total TEOTWAWKI situation, but it is an option not available in most calibers.

I'm tentatively planning on this for myself in a few years. Savage 110 stainless in .30-06 with (probably) a Leupold scope. Total around $1000 including some ammo.

FWIW. Someone who knows more might blow holes in my opinion, and I'd welcome that since, after all, I'm in basically the same boat as you...research stage.

ETA: sorry if I misunderstood your level of certainty about caliber. I took ".308 or so" to mean "a .30-caliber full-power rifle round."
02-05-2020 11:50 AM
Hick Industries I missread the OPs question at first my self. He is not looking for hunting stories, or another members limmited experience.
He already knows what calliber he wants, and is looking for advice on a decent, affordable gun in 308 win.
02-05-2020 12:31 AM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by Snyper708 View Post
That's not the point.
The OP wants something with more range and more power than his current firearms.
Actually, the OP was asking about hunting and has made it clear he is not a hunter and knows very little about it.
02-04-2020 08:33 PM
fragout Some info that may help you out boomerweps. .........

Since you are familiar with 7.62x39mm.....lets compare it to the cartridge you are interested in. 308 win in your case.

308 will produce about the same energy at 600 yards that 7.62x39mm will achieve at 175 yards.

308 will produce about the same velocity at 600 yards that 7.62x39mm will achieve at 275 yards.

Note: Both with same bbl lengths.

The point : It generates plenty of juice from point blank on out, and is obviously not an intermediate rifle cartridge.

My wife hunts with rifles chambered in 308 win as well as a few of my grandkids . One is an 11 year old girl. No reason why you and yours can't.

308 win will put any critter in Pennsylvania into the dirt with one well placed pill from point blank on out past 400 yards if you do your part. ( Since 2019 broke the PA record in number of black bear taken, then this might be a consideration for you) Kills feral hog just fine as well.....if you happen to have them where you plan to hunt.
The cartridge is also more than capable of dumpin bigger game such as elk or moose , provided you do your part.....too include choosing a bullet constructed for them thicker critters. ( In case you decide to expand your hunting at a later time.)

Examples in pics below. First hand experience talkin here and not a wild guess. Life long hunter here. I hunt year around, and 99%"of my hunting since 2000 has been with rifles chambered in 308.

All critters below taken with the same rifle chambered in 308.

1. Speed goat at a bit over 600 yards under very optimum shooting conditions via prone supported position and using 168gr TTSX.
2. Both hogs taken at over 500 yards under optimum shooting conditions via prone supported position and using Hornady 168gr Match.
3. Large ND buck taken at 467 yards under adequate shooting conditions via prone position off an Alice pack using 168gr OTM.

Note: the 3 above show the exit wound. All ended up in the dirt rather abrupt like. One shot each . ( Technically, I missed the second pig with the first shot. It was moving at the time, and I clean blew the first attempt.)

Note: Try not to get into a hurry if your hunting multiple critters under one setting btw......

4. 2 black bear taken at inside of 35 yards ( est) from standing position using sling as a hasty support 165gr Sierra Game King HPBT. One each including the 2nd bear who was running full tilt when it was hit. ( They can run much faster than they look like they can in my experience, so dont underestimate the speed one can produce when it feels like it.)

Edit: 0002S was right about the Thompson Compass. I took his advice and bought one chambered in 308 Win. This one lived up to thier 1MOA guarantee using good consistent ammo. 22 inch 5R bbl with threaded muzzle . It even shot the cheap crap Tula 150gr FMJ rather decent. ( Still have some left, and decided to use up the rest thru bolt guns)
If your budget is tight, this is one rifle to consider.

11B
02-04-2020 07:16 PM
Snyper708
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Originally Posted by justin22885 View Post
That's my thought as well. But, the deer in northwestern PA are no bigger than ones I've already killed with 5.56mm, and 45acp out of a carbine as well and they both did the job flawlessly too. White tails aren't very hard to kill.
That's not the point.
The OP wants something with more range and more power than his current firearms.
02-04-2020 09:43 AM
justin22885
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Originally Posted by 7.5x55 Swiss View Post
I think he is looking for an excuse to buy a new gun that the wife will want to shoot so she won't make a big deal out of it, but I agree. 7.62x39 will do what you need in PA.
That's my thought as well. But, the deer in northwestern PA are no bigger than ones I've already killed with 5.56mm, and 45acp out of a carbine as well and they both did the job flawlessly too. White tails aren't very hard to kill.
02-03-2020 08:25 PM
daddyusmaximus If I understand you SWMBO may be using this rifle as well...? Is she recoil sensitive? I've had one too many shoulder surgeries, and my .308 is an AR. I wouldn't want a .308 in a bolt gun these days, but I love my 7mm Mauser. I just picked up a second one. This round is plenty medicine for hunting, and doesn't beat you up like a 8mm, or .308, or the Russian 7.62x54R does. Now, you'll end up ordering ammo online, or going to gunshows... but it's not expensive, just not easy to find in you typical LGS...
08-09-2019 02:25 AM
Cuteandfuzzybunnies
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Originally Posted by Sue Doh Myn View Post
PSA PA-10 is an affordable AR in .308, or the Mossberg MVP bolt action in 7.62x51mm can use both M14 and SR-25 pattern magazines.
PSA 10 kit is 399 on their web site right now. It’s hard to beat that deal.

I’d personally spend a few hundred more and get a DPS however
08-09-2019 01:53 AM
Fudd Guns Hunting rifle for the lady? Bolt gun in 7mm-08. Loaded with 139 or 140gr bullets might be the best deer cartridge for east of the Mississippi. Recoil will be less stout than an equivalent weight .270 or .308. Finding ammo locally may be spotty depending on your area, but with the wide selection of 7mm bullets and .308 size cases, this cartridge will stick around for the long haul.

My personal cartridge of choice is the .270. If you may have longer shots like in the plains, the 130 grainer is king. For closer woodland shots, go up to 150gr to slow that puppy down a little. Seems like about 2,900fps is the magic number where anything above that hitting your game starts causing excessive meat damage. Zero your .270 2 inches high at 100 yards and you'll have a point blank hold out to about 300 yards where the bullet never goes more than 3 inches above or below your point of aim. The .270win has been bringing home the meat since 1925 and ammo can be found anywhere, including walmart and your local hardware store.

The .308 does the job just as well. Just again, go up to 165gr in the woods to minimize meat destruction. Not much needs to be said, the .308 stops the vital signs of living creatures boringly well. Is the obvious choice if you want a semi-auto action. Can also tolerate a shorter barrel than the .270 which really does best with at least a 22in barrel, if that matters to you.

The 30-06 is another great long distance cartridge, however I would not suggest it for woods hunting, contrary to popular opinion. I believe you've gotta take it up to a 180gr pill to slow it down to 2,900fps. At that point, recoil is starting to get excessive considering a 150gr .270 or 165gr .308 will give you identical performance on the game with a significant reduction in shoulder punishment. A 30-06 loaded with 220 grainers, however, would be ideal if you needed defense against large dangerous beasts of the Rockies or Alaska.

I personally wouldn't recommend the 6.5 Creedmoor. Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent cartridge that can perform well on game with proper bullet selection. Unfortunately all I ever see on the shelves is "long range magic" ammo. Please don't be that guy that shoots living animals with target bullets. Doesn't make sense that's what they sell since no self respecting long range or target shooter I've ever worked with would run factory ammo anyway. In the U.S., the 6.5mm cartridges have a history of being fads that fade over time. I remember when the .260rem was all the rage with the long range crowd. When the ammo manufacturers decide they can make a buck off some new 6.5 Catchy Name, I wouldn't want a Creedmoor rifle based off the 30 TC brass that you'll never find again. The Creedmoor may yet prove me wrong and prove it's longevity, I'm just not willing to bet my money on it. Wish the 6.5 Swede, which is hugely popular worldwide would catch on here in the states. And of course bring her cute friend the 7×57 along with.
08-03-2019 05:17 PM
0002S
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Originally Posted by fragout View Post
Nice pics.

A few questions.....

Are any of the rifles in your photos sporting the factory supplied rings that sell with the rifle?

Either way.....what are your impressions of thier factory supplied rings?

Who made the aftermarket stock for your TC Compas?

I have been impressed with thier TCR22 so far. Reliable and especially accurate right out of the box.

11B
No rings from factory. Only bases. Single slot weavers.

Rings on .308 are Warne
Rings/rails on 6.5 are Leupold
The reason is I try to match rings/rails to get front bell as close to barrel as possible.

Boyd makes the aftermarket stock. It’s nice, fit 10/10 : finish 8/10 (drop in is never custom)

The only other change I’ve made is the bolt handles. Wanted more weight and a larger knurled knob (preference)

Both rifles are using the SIG BDX system.
08-03-2019 03:15 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by 0002S View Post
Thompson Compass in .308 - $299 on sale
You won’t be disappointed in the accuracy
They also have it in 6.5 Creedmoor (I own both)

Here is what my general .308 hunting load is capable of in the rifle.



Here is the .308 Win. (Not w/the factory stock)



Here is the 6.5 CM (w/factory stock)

Nice pics.

A few questions.....

Are any of the rifles in your photos sporting the factory supplied rings that sell with the rifle?

Either way.....what are your impressions of thier factory supplied rings?

Who made the aftermarket stock for your TC Compas?

I have been impressed with thier TCR22 so far. Reliable and especially accurate right out of the box.

11B
08-03-2019 01:21 PM
Rockwell Torrey Hmmm.....Boomerweps....The Lieutenant.....if that's accurate, then you worked in the part of the Boat you ain't allowed to talk about And next to the COB, "cheap Bastage" would also be accurate. I would know this because I'm also a vet, ground-pounder, one each. I learned how to be a cheap bastage too....from my First Sergeant. He called it "frugal"

Nothing wrong with a 5.56 or 7.62x39 for hunting small game, big game such as deer, elk (um, maybe not) you'll have to A place your shots better, head, spine, heart. Lung/shoulder/gut or any type of quartering shot probably ain't gonna cut it. Bullet type can make up for the caliber but only a little. Solid copper HP's like Barnes would be my pick for both those calibers.

For "our" purposes a caliber that's common is preferred. 308 pretty common. 6.5 creedmor not so much. Excellent cartridge though. 270 is another fine cartridge and most places stock it like the 243 but its hard not to like the 308 which can be had cheaper than them other two and in bigger volume. And with most loadings, good for the game you're thinking of.

7mm mag, 300 win mag, 338-something now you're talking longer range. More gun, too. More money, too. 5.56/7.62 300y-ish yards. 308-class 500 maybe 800 or a little longer....depends on the shooter at that point. Them first three? out to four digits and a good bit more depending.

Semi auto AR platform 308. Springfield Armory Saint. S&W M&P both make really nice 308's. DPMS, a few others. Parts readily available, easy to clean & maintain. Heavier than a 5.56 AR. Don't ask me how I know LOL.

Browning BAR. a Most excellent semi-auto in all them calibers above and then some. Pretty hunting gun, detachable mags not really tactical but they're reliable. Until your four round mag goes empty LOL.

Bolt actions. Not gonna waste your time with Remington, Savage custom (insert fancy-pants tactikool bolt gun here) Nothing against them....economy, right?
Ruger American
Predator model with detachable mags that take standard AR mags in 5.56 or PMags in 308. Threaded muzzle for....accessories. Danged if they don't shoot and every one I've seen has a dang fine trigger. They start about $389. Look at Davidsons gallery of guns, outdoor superstore you'll see pricing and different models.

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Originally Posted by boomerweps View Post
Right now my biggest caliber is 7.62 x 39. I have a 5.56. I'm not really a hunter unless SHTF. Actually my wife is a long time hunter from times with her Dad. I'm more of a target and self defense shooter. What is a cost effective (yes, I am a cheap bastage) rifle in .308 or so rifle? A reach out and take down game or other target type rifle? I'd love a Garand but they are a bit more than I will likely spend. My familiarity with them is shooting blanks and cleaning them with the Vets Honor Guard for military honors funerals. My state (PA) law allows hunting with semi-autos but the Game Commission gets to set the rules and so far they have been pretty crappy about it and have dragged their feet for over a year on the topic unless it's a .22 or hunting coyotes.
Maybe a Scout type bolt action? Or an AR platform?
I'm open to suggestions from others more familiar with those platforms.
Yes, SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) will have some say in it if she can hunt with it.
08-02-2019 08:33 PM
NW GUY
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Originally Posted by LuniticFringeInc View Post
I will say that as awesome as my MVP Varmint in 5.56 is and as accurate as it was right out of the box, I wouldnt snub the Mossberg MVP rifles especially if you need a detachable magazine option and dont want to spring for a AR-10 type rifle.

That being said...I wouldnt hestitate to jump on a Savage 10FP! This is a rifle that offers a lot of accuracy enhancing features than most other rifles. Its reasonably priced and its capable of getting you into long range target shooting at a budget price.

Budget Long Range Rifle that's WAY TOO EASY - Savage 10 FCP-SR with PA 4-14x44 HUD DMR ~ Rex Reviews - YouTube
I DID a fair amount of 1000yd gunning with a 10FP. For the price I was extremely impressed with it. I did tweak it a little bit but right out of the box that gun would shoot better than any Remmy or Winny I ever shot... EXCEPT for a Remmy Model 788.
THOSE GUNS WILL SHOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First thing I would do with a 788 is test it and if it didn't shoot under an 1" I would take the pressure off the bbl by floating it and after that everyone I ever owned shot like it was laser guided. For the price they were the best deal EVER out of the Remmy factory.
08-02-2019 06:31 AM
0002S Thompson Compass in .308 - $299 on sale
You won’t be disappointed in the accuracy
They also have it in 6.5 Creedmoor (I own both)

Here is what my general .308 hunting load is capable of in the rifle.



Here is the .308 Win. (Not w/the factory stock)



Here is the 6.5 CM (w/factory stock)
08-01-2019 10:49 PM
Palma Another vote for a Savage Hog Hunter Mod # 57019. New ones have detachable box mags.
08-01-2019 10:30 PM
Offrink 6.5 Grendel upper on an ar lower is cheap and good for 250-300 yards if you want to stay on an semi auto platform. 308 semi can get pricy. I would check out some good used 30-06 rifles or if you want longer range a 6.5 Creedmoor. The 6.5 Grendel should be soft enough for your wife to shoot.
08-01-2019 07:24 PM
charliemeyer007 I vote for 2 good used bolt guns. One that fits her and one that fits you. Same caliber/rifle has logistical advantages, different can offer other advantages.
08-01-2019 06:31 PM
Hick Industries 1) A true long range coyote rifle in 22-250 or 25-06. Either will out range and out shoot your current options, and neither has significant recoil.

2) A heavy barrel hunting rifle in 6.5 CM, 270 win, or 7 Rem mag. These will take the same class of game as your 7.62x39, but take them cleanly out to 400 yds.

3) A 338 Win mag rifle, suited for heavy, dangerous game. Less likely your wife would want to shoot this one twice.
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