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07-27-2019 11:15 AM
Gulcher
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Originally Posted by WilliamAshley View Post
nothing like a reputable website to be trusted the likes of "freeforums"


they even have a polar bear as a mascot. Nothing like picking an endangered species at risk of extinction due to climate change to host a grand solar minimum website. The Emperor penguins on the brunt that recently died would be jealous they weren't picked to be the mascot.
Almost as reliable as your sources William.
07-27-2019 11:02 AM
Gulcher
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Originally Posted by PeterEnergy View Post
The problem with this is the Environmental-Nazi''s cannot blame man's internal combustion engine or world wide taxes as a solution.
Kind of a taste of what we are seeing this year I many states. Wet late plantings etc. Amazing when people start digging into a topic what they turn up. Where is the sweet spot in CONUS for farmers gardeners a food producers? Seems the natural cycles of the planet and our solar system are much bigger in scope than what Al Gore and his disciples claim. Read the IPCC reports on co2 were all calculated ignoring the earth's own natural production of co2. Incredible oversight, or on purpose. The one fire in Alaska this year released more co2 than all the co2 produced by man in Scandinavian countries in a year. Forest fires are a natural cycle of the planet. Volcano's are a natural cycle of the planet. Earthquakes are a natural cycle of the planet. Read one study that flu epidemic also coincide with sun spots. A lot of research out there to understand.
06-20-2019 01:39 PM
mark68 Been enjoying the Grand Solar Minimum. Record moisture and below average temperatures around here beginning late last September. Still have not hit 80 this year and it is supposed to snow in the mountains this weekend with highs in the low 60s.

Has not hit 90 yet this year at the retirement/bug out lair and that is unheard of. Been getting a lot of work done down there enjoying the cooler , cloudier days.
05-30-2019 02:30 PM
panther Yes, the powers-that-be are about power. I am interested in getting information to people so that they can make their own decisions and preparations.

These things come in cycles. So we know they will happen again. It seem that the global cooling cycle is coming again soon. We have much more information than just a few decades ago. Their also seems to be a correlation between solar minimum and earthquake/volcano activity. The year without a summer, 1816, was during a grand solar minimum.

It is a great blessing to have some advance notice, unlike the people in the 1600s and 1800s.

Panther
05-30-2019 10:23 AM
PeterEnergy
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Originally Posted by panther View Post
On another forum it has been discussed how the diminishing solar wind allows greater penetration of cosmic rays. And that greater cosmic rays tend to cause more cloud formation adding to the cooling caused by lower solar output.

Farmers and livestock owners on the forum looked at history and during the Maunder and Dalton minimum there was much more rain, not just lower temperatures. Crops could not be put in, sometimes rotted in the field or could not be harvested due to the wet conditions. This contributed to famine as much or more than the change in temperature.

Panther
The problem with this is the Environmental-Nazi''s cannot blame man's internal combustion engine or world wide taxes as a solution.
05-30-2019 12:35 AM
panther On another forum it has been discussed how the diminishing solar wind allows greater penetration of cosmic rays. And that greater cosmic rays tend to cause more cloud formation adding to the cooling caused by lower solar output.

Farmers and livestock owners on the forum looked at history and during the Maunder and Dalton minimum there was much more rain, not just lower temperatures. Crops could not be put in, sometimes rotted in the field or could not be harvested due to the wet conditions. This contributed to famine as much or more than the change in temperature.

Panther
05-29-2019 06:55 PM
bugbor
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Originally Posted by WilliamAshley View Post
nothing like a reputable website to be trusted the likes of "freeforums"


they even have a polar bear as a mascot. Nothing like picking an endangered species at risk of extinction due to climate change to host a grand solar minimum website. The Emperor penguins on the brunt that recently died would be jealous they weren't picked to be the mascot.
Boy, it must be a hard life, bein' so thick-headed that one would post on a forum like this just to prove the point made in this linked article about how mistakenly citing polar bear "extinction" is doin' damage to the environmentalists' cause.
https://www.arctictoday.com/narrativ...mental-groups/
For those who have trouble following the big words in the first one, here's a shorter one that explains that the polar bear population may be "vulnerable" but not "endangered" as our intrepid enviro-wacko asserts.
https://www.answers.com/Q/Are_polar_...inct_this_year
Will he even have the self-awareness to be embarrassed?
05-29-2019 06:10 PM
WilliamAshley
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Originally Posted by panther View Post
I have found a website with a wealth of information on this topic called TheGrandSolarMinimum. It would be a good place to explore the topic. Some of it is over my head but most of it is useful, informative and clarifying.

Panther

http://thegrandsolarminimum.freeforums.net
nothing like a reputable website to be trusted the likes of "freeforums"


they even have a polar bear as a mascot. Nothing like picking an endangered species at risk of extinction due to climate change to host a grand solar minimum website. The Emperor penguins on the brunt that recently died would be jealous they weren't picked to be the mascot.
05-29-2019 06:03 PM
panther I have found a website with a wealth of information on this topic called TheGrandSolarMinimum. It would be a good place to explore the topic. Some of it is over my head but most of it is useful, informative and clarifying.

Panther

http://thegrandsolarminimum.freeforums.net
05-24-2019 04:03 PM
PalmettoTree
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Originally Posted by Michigal View Post
Technology has made it easy for us to glean any climate change from an anectodal level. I've lived in the same area since 2011. I take myriad pictures with my iPhone, all of which are date stamped. I don’t know about the rest of the country, but things have changed dramatically here in northern Michigan. Case in point, I have a picture from summer 2015 of me laying out in a bathing suit on May 19th. There were lilacs budding and leaves on the trees. Dandelions were everywhere, and my screenshot of the weather forecast showed upper 70s and sunshine. Last May 19th, we still had patches of snow on the ground. THIS May 19th it actually snowed. The grass just started turning green, and the leaves have only begun to bud. The weather is legitimately about 2-3 weeks behind schedule.

We also have historical temperature recordings. Here’s what it states for May 19th for my area the last 7 years:


2013: 73 F
2014: 73 F
2015: 72 F
2016: 70 F
2017: 55 F
2018: 59 F
2019: 46 F

The NOAA column is for the lower 48 for the month of May.

Year you NOAA
2012:----- 63.45F
2013: 73 F------ 60.85F
2014: 73 F------ 61.27F
2015: 72 F------ 60.84F
2016: 70 F------ 60.33F
2017: 55 F------ 60.57F
2018: 59 F------ 66.52F
2019: 46 F

I do not update my database until the month is complete and NOAA updates it database for the lower 48.
05-24-2019 11:33 AM
Potawami II
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Originally Posted by Michigal View Post
Technology has made it easy for us to glean any climate change from an anectodal level. I've lived in the same area since 2011. I take myriad pictures with my iPhone, all of which are date stamped. I dont know about the rest of the country, but things have changed dramatically here in northern Michigan. Case in point, I have a picture from summer 2015 of me laying out in a bathing suit on May 19th. There were lilacs budding and leaves on the trees. Dandelions were everywhere, and my screenshot of the weather forecast showed upper 70s and sunshine. Last May 19th, we still had patches of snow on the ground. THIS May 19th it actually snowed. The grass just started turning green, and the leaves have only begun to bud. The weather is legitimately about 2-3 weeks behind schedule.

We also have historical temperature recordings. Heres what it states for May 19th for my area the last 7 years:


2013: 73 F
2014: 73 F
2015: 72 F
2016: 70 F
2017: 55 F
2018: 59 F
2019: 46 F
Thanks for posting the temps. While I am a little south of you it isn't by much. I want to say that the 2-3 weeks behind is a yes and a no.

For the yes. I'm still starting a fire in the wood stove at night (and letting it burn out overnight), and I don't usually do that past the first week of May. The morels also are running late, but this is by far the best year we have ever had for them on our property, so much so that we are just picking off our property this year instead of driving all over 3 counties hitting good spots.

On the no. I'll be mowing my lawn this weekend and while Memorial Day weekend is when I normally start it is usually just a trim to look better since I fire up the grill and have family over. This year it desperately needs it in fact I should have cut it last weekend. Looking around at front yard gardens I see the Amish are all tilled up and ready to plant this weekend, and the non Amish have the gardens all cleaned out and ready to till. This is also normal since not everyone uses water bags around plants, or has a dozen kids to send out to cover plants. This is normal as gardens go in the last week of May or first week of June.

I have to say that we are behind on some things and where we should be on others, so we can't be to far from long term average, since after all it's a long term average and not just what we have had the last decade or even two.
05-24-2019 04:34 AM
Colt For the millionth time: The kernel of truth in CO2 based global warming is legit. It does raise temperatures. However, the scale of it is utter bull****. The supposed amount of heating and the effects of that amount of heating have been absolute false exaggeration thanks to activists taking that kernal of science, heaping crap on to it, and then claiming the whole pile was still science. Global warming is a thing... it's just not an apocalyptic event. We will see a very mild rise in temperatures with mildly negative consequences, some mildly positive consequences, then we'll run out of/transition out of fossil fuel in a very short amount of time (50, 100, maybe 200 years). Then CO2 levels and temperature will drop back down.

The amount of damage from eliminating CO2 release VASTLY outweighs the mild and short-term damages of releasing it.
05-23-2019 10:42 PM
PeterEnergy
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Originally Posted by WilliamAshley View Post
CO2 is bad.
CO2 is good. A gas necessary for life.

Taxes and global governance is bad.
05-23-2019 10:14 PM
Kansas Terri And here in Kansas it has been cold and wet even though it is almost June. It should be hot by now. And, last year was only slightly warmer
05-23-2019 09:05 PM
Cabinet Maker Well crap. I'm in So Cal, and have a fire in the fireplace on May 23.

What further proof for AGW is needed?
05-23-2019 08:49 PM
WilliamAshley
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Originally Posted by Michigal View Post
The weather is legitimately about 2-3 weeks behind schedule.
That is odd it is like 80 degrees in Detroit.
05-23-2019 02:37 PM
Michigal Technology has made it easy for us to glean any climate change from an anectodal level. I've lived in the same area since 2011. I take myriad pictures with my iPhone, all of which are date stamped. I don’t know about the rest of the country, but things have changed dramatically here in northern Michigan. Case in point, I have a picture from summer 2015 of me laying out in a bathing suit on May 19th. There were lilacs budding and leaves on the trees. Dandelions were everywhere, and my screenshot of the weather forecast showed upper 70s and sunshine. Last May 19th, we still had patches of snow on the ground. THIS May 19th it actually snowed. The grass just started turning green, and the leaves have only begun to bud. The weather is legitimately about 2-3 weeks behind schedule.

We also have historical temperature recordings. Here’s what it states for May 19th for my area the last 7 years:


2013: 73 F
2014: 73 F
2015: 72 F
2016: 70 F
2017: 55 F
2018: 59 F
2019: 46 F
05-23-2019 02:05 PM
PalmettoTree
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Originally Posted by WilliamAshley View Post

No it proves you don't understand how global climate works and that CO2 is not the only thing contributing to temperature rise. Somehow I feel like you have this mental tick where you think CO2 is the only thing that is effecting temperature rise or it isn't. If you can get over that sickness you would understand there are other variables in play that effects temperature rise - other greenhouse gases, the state of the ozone, the amount of moisture in specific regions, how high and low pressure systems interact, the number of rocket launches, how thick the atmosphere is at each layer, how much sulfur is in the air, earth events like tornados and hurricanes, volcanic and meteor activity, how much industry is happening in an area, the amount of ground water in an area, the way the wind blows and tons of other factors.
Most of the above in non-sense or local pollution not global climate. You are basiclly throwing trash against an wall to see what sticks but the ligic stinks.

I know how multi-variable analysis works so post the algorithm to prove your point. Do not forget to post the source of raw data for the variable inputs.

I need an excuse to buy a good statistical software package if what I have is not enough. Just remember if temp is T and a two variables are X and Y but Y is caused by X then X is the only factor that matters because X effects Y and T. If you count X and Y then you are double counting X.

One good point you make is most of the world is using this myth to limit western civilization while they continue to do what they want us to prohibit ourselves from doing.
05-23-2019 10:32 AM
PeterEnergy
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Once again show us some proof not a copy and paste propaganda link.
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Originally Posted by WilliamAshley View Post
Dude I have posted tons of information already
No. Dude, you've posted tons of copy and paste propaganda links. Sadly, you are too indoctrinated to know the difference.
05-23-2019 09:58 AM
WilliamAshley
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Originally Posted by PalmettoTree View Post
Both the temp and CO2 trend has been increasing since 1900. The CO2 increases have been more predictable than the temp.
Sure. Temp is predictable but we have been underestimating the increase as we have been finding new variables effecting the increase. Like yesterday for instance we learned that china was still releasing banned chemicals that destroy the ozone layer.


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That is because the temp has varied independent of the CO2 increases.
NOAA's data proves this!
No it proves you don't understand how global climate works and that CO2 is not the only thing contributing to temperature rise. Somehow I feel like you have this mental tick where you think CO2 is the only thing that is effecting temperature rise or it isn't. If you can get over that sickness you would understand there are other variables in play that effects temperature rise - other greenhouse gases, the state of the ozone, the amount of moisture in specific regions, how high and low pressure systems interact, the number of rocket launches, how thick the atmosphere is at each layer, how much sulfur is in the air, earth events like tornados and hurricanes, volcanic and meteor activity, how much industry is happening in an area, the amount of ground water in an area, the way the wind blows and tons of other factors.


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Once again show us some proof not a copy and paste propaganda link.
Dude I have posted tons of information already, try reading all that first and get back to me.

You already posted the proof the temperature has been going up since 1900. Solar output has not.
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