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04-03-2020 08:29 PM
Highsteelman Livin in a forest popping squirrel bush chickens and running trap line you cannot beat a 22LR. Hunting big game, any big game, you do not have the require the necessary energy to got the job done. Sure you get close enough and dump 5-10 22LR rounds in a deer you would likely kill it, That is neither practical or ethical. I love shooting 22 LR, great fun, economical, and suits a purpose. If you talking end of days scenario yeah Iíd take the 22LR but thankfully there are still options.
04-03-2020 07:55 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by Hick Industries View Post
I purchased a match grade 22LR barrel for my TC Contender carbine. Mounted a 4-12x Leupold. Very accurate at long range.
But paper targets are not the same as rabbits and squirrels.
A 22 LR only works because you can hit precisely, and only till the bullet looses its zip.
Agreed. This is another " comic relief" thread imo. ....lol. ( A fair amount of really bored folks that presently find themselves stuck at home)

In addition.....

1. A 17in bbl TCR22 shooting CCI mini mags will produce 925 fps with 69 ft lbs of energy via a 150 yard impact. 865 fps with 57 ft lbs of energy at a 200 yd impact. 750 fps with 42 ft lbs of energy at a 300 yard impact. Not much into chess, but real world numbers sound more like a pawn to me than a king.

2. Stationary Man sized targets do not equate to actual 2 legged living folks.
Turn an unknown distance into a known distance, c ompensate for drop, figure out what the wind is up to at the target distance, and go about a shooting solution via 22lr at a critter that also has the ability to shoot move communicate, and may be wearing body armor ......c'mon now young scooters. Foolishness at its finest. ..lol.

3. Op mentioned 308 and 45 acp because he seen someone shooting both and they could not hit thier targets. It sure as heck had nothing to do with thier cartridges. That's like blaming the basket ball if someone can't make a free throw.....lol. I guess that we could call anyone with an M4 clone a GI Joe reject, but any one of them could use one to blow a hole thru your noggin while your asleep. Point= Its all about the nut behind the butt.....lol.

One example: 3 youngsters between 11 and 14 years old with 0 shooting experience when they showed up at my house recently with thier families...as they now reside here on my property. They are now placing consistent holes thru milk jugs full of " pink" colored water from prone position with an M14 ( iron sights) and R1M1 ball out to 300m during the daytime and against crosswinds that have been up to 25mph. ( I place the targets at distances unknown to them so they gotta figure it out for themselves, as known distance stationary targets are one thing they figured out earlier)
The point here = Bad habits are easy to " break" if you haven't any to begin with.
With that said, they all started out with the TCR22 and are still using it often. ( Much better iron sights than those found on oem 1022s , Marlin model60s, etc......

4. Pics below. 1st shows the mighty " king" next to that "tacticool mall ninja cartridge ". ( 7.62x51mm) The rest of pics show what 1st hand accomplishments utilizing the " bigger" cartridge in pic number one can achieve. ( All critters but the one in 2nd pic taken at over 150 yards fwiw)
Someone let me know when a 22lr load can accomplish the same...lol.

11B
04-03-2020 07:38 PM
fragout
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Originally Posted by RR View Post
I'm not hitting anything at 2-300 yards with a 22. Hell, I'm aiming 6 inches over at 150 yards to hit a clay pigeon.
Not anyone has mentioned how winds affect the so called " king" of cartridges.

One example:

My TCR22 firing 36gr Hp CCI minimags.

A full value 10mph left side breeze can push that pill as much as 12.5 inches to the right at 150 yards.

200 yards = As much as 21 inches.
300 yards = As much as 43 inches.

While the little cartridge can make for an excellent tool to keep marksmanship to a high level due to low cost shooting, it also has its limits compared to other cartridges .

11B
04-03-2020 12:21 AM
Hick Industries
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Originally Posted by John_Auberry View Post
Out of a 4.5in barrel itís decently accurate at 100 yards. Out of a 16in at 200 itís very accurate for man size targets. Itís doable at 300 but only with known dope and a scope the will give you enough elevation. https://youtu.be/RLEGHaExQHM
I purchased a match grade 22LR barrel for my TC Contender carbine. Mounted a 4-12x Leupold. Very accurate at long range.
But paper targets are not the same as rabbits and squirrels.
A 22 LR only works because you can hit precisely, and only till the bullet looses its zip.
04-02-2020 11:59 PM
John_Auberry
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Originally Posted by Hick Industries View Post
More like the Pawn of all Cartridges.
You might want to try shooting a reactive target at 200-300 yds with your 22LR. A gallon milk jug filled with water will do.
Not only is it hard to adjust for bullet drop at long range, the bullet does not have any energy left.
Not trying to defend their poor marksmanship, but your rimfire is not worth a damn at 300 yds.
Out of a 4.5in barrel itís decently accurate at 100 yards. Out of a 16in at 200 itís very accurate for man size targets. Itís doable at 300 but only with known dope and a scope the will give you enough elevation. https://youtu.be/RLEGHaExQHM
04-02-2020 11:44 PM
Hick Industries
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Originally Posted by redneck007 View Post
I got back from the range today and it was a very sad day. I had to witness all the big guns putting so much leads down range at just about everything except the targets. My buddy and I were the outcasts with our .22 lr guns making tiny but consistent hits to 25 yards with handguns and 150 yards with rifles using iron sights.

While I am happy there are more and new shooters lately, it seems very wasteful to go for big calibers without establishing the basic marksmanship. So much good .308 and .45 ACP wasted today. Everyone would be much happier if they use my .22 guns and just give me those big bad calibers to take back to HQ.

For the new and rusty shooters, you need to get acquainted with the king of all cartridges and understand why great shooters have consistently make hits to 200-300 yards with .22 lr. Those big calibers only gonna to hurt your feelings snd wallets.
More like the Pawn of all Cartridges.
You might want to try shooting a reactive target at 200-300 yds with your 22LR. A gallon milk jug filled with water will do.
Not only is it hard to adjust for bullet drop at long range, the bullet does not have any energy left.
Not trying to defend their poor marksmanship, but your rimfire is not worth a damn at 300 yds.
04-02-2020 03:17 PM
PaulKersey
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Originally Posted by redneck007 View Post
I got back from the range today and it was a very sad day. I had to witness all the big guns putting so much leads down range at just about everything except the targets. My buddy and I were the outcasts with our .22 lr guns making tiny but consistent hits to 25 yards with handguns and 150 yards with rifles using iron sights.
Absolute COMEDY GOLD!!
04-02-2020 10:20 AM
Jackpine1 Heck, I thought this thread was going to be about the .600 Nitro Express.
04-02-2020 09:39 AM
John_Auberry
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Originally Posted by redneck007 View Post
Which rifles and handguns do you find most reliable and not picky on ammo? I would love to keep a .22 lr in the truck but the thought of rimjam makes me nervous even though I never had a malfunctioning any .22lr if I clean them after every outing.
I have a Xring and SW 617 10shot
04-02-2020 08:25 AM
redneck007
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Originally Posted by John_Auberry View Post
I burn 1000 22lr a week between my wife, child and myself.
Which rifles and handguns do you find most reliable and not picky on ammo? I would love to keep a .22 lr in the truck but the thought of rimjam makes me nervous even though I never had a malfunctioning any .22lr if I clean them after every outing.
04-02-2020 01:07 AM
John_Auberry I burn 1000 22lr a week between my wife, child and myself.
04-02-2020 12:05 AM
redneck007
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Originally Posted by hanzy4200 View Post
Keep burning it up! As long as I can keep your brass.
But it is worth it when they do those 1000-yard shots into thin air. 300 WinMag for the win. J/k
04-01-2020 11:15 PM
hanzy4200 Keep burning it up! As long as I can keep your brass.
04-01-2020 09:57 PM
bassguy 200 yd 22 shoots are all the rage at my local range.
04-01-2020 07:40 PM
RR I'm not hitting anything at 2-300 yards with a 22. Hell, I'm aiming 6 inches over at 150 yards to hit a clay pigeon.
04-01-2020 07:10 PM
bassguy My little cousin came over with gradfather while I was sighting in a couple of guns in January. He made a couple jabs at me about how he could out shoot me. Needless to say he was mistaken, lol. He asked how I got to where I could shoot a rifle the way I can. My grandpa piped up and told him, "A couple of bricks of .22 bullets month for about 10 years."

And that is about as true of a statement as it can get. I learned more shooting thousands of rounds of 22 bullets at anything I thought I could hit than I ever have shooting "big guns". Some of my favorites were shooting the stems off of pears for my grandma to make pear pies, and setting up some strings with weights on them to recreate the "enemy at the gates" sniper shot. Good times.
04-01-2020 06:10 PM
Srchdawg I have a savage 110 30-06 that makes women cry and grown men say bad words to squeeze the trigger, recoil is more brutal than my .300 but it sure is a sweetheart to carry hunting. I always told the grandsons (aim small miss small) seems to have worked all four are all good shooters imagine my ammo bill . love the .30's haven't got into x39 never really had a need for it, the 94 winny always pulled good duty.
04-01-2020 02:39 PM
Offrink Why would caliber size matter when making the initial shot. I would rather have a 50cal hole than a 22 cal hole. Follow up shots can be harder with larger calibers but if you don’t need it then the point is moot. Now if you are trying to practice your technique then by all means, perfect it on a small cheap caliber.
04-01-2020 01:49 PM
redneck007
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Originally Posted by Srchdawg View Post
(Those big calibers only gonna to hurt your feelings and wallets.)
true quote of the day redneck have a 300 wm and 30-06 both sub moa but don't shoot them as much as my smaller calibers.
Dawg,

But your skills are probably honed and earned through hard work, dedication, and even some natural talent. Just look at your calibers, tacticool ninjas donít even know what 300 WinMag is and most will only want .308, some Blackout/Creedmore/Grendel, Glock 40 (or is it back Glock 9 now). I know my skills had diminished greatly while being a family man so I elect to go small hits in lieu of big misses.

By the way, my favorite rounds are 8mm Mauser, 30-06, .270, and x39. All had proven to be effective.
04-01-2020 12:57 PM
NW GUY ONE OF the reasons I stopped shooting as much .308 and .340Wby was NOT cost..

It was BOREDOM..
Once you have a system set up that regularly shoots tighter than 1/2" at 100 and closer to caliber size groups... Where is the challenge in that?

At 1000yds, I know with the .340 I can consistently hit inside of an 8" circle on an average day. On a GREAT day I might get under 6".. but that is at 1000yds. The only real variable is weather and a little luck.
Other than the mechanics of settling in behind the scope and setting up, the rest is a given. At 100yds, all you do is slightly move the original hole on the paper. Why bother?

After 60+ years of active shooting, if I don't have the mechanics down by now I never will.
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